Airline Pay

Flyr3465 · August 7th, 2003, 01:41

How much Does a Airline Pilot make starting??? And How much does A airline pilot make when he retires???

Thanks
Chirs

JDMcFly · August 7th, 2003, 03:25

For starting with a regional carrier, 19 dollars an hour seems to be the standard. What, 75-90 hours a month paid, you do the math.

The one good thing about pilot pay is raises are fairly big jumps (relative) year after year. It may be an extra 5 or 10 dollars an hour, but it's a difference between ramen and cambells.

For retirement... Well, depends on how far you get

.

Around 100-200k if you are getting up there in seniority.

Hope that didn't sound too bad.

MikeD · August 7th, 2003, 05:53

[ QUOTE ]
For starting with a regional carrier, 19 dollars an hour seems to be the standard. What, 75-90 hours a month paid, you do the math.

The one good thing about pilot pay is raises are fairly big jumps (relative) year after year. It may be an extra 5 or 10 dollars an hour, but it's a difference between ramen and cambells.

For retirement... Well, depends on how far you get

.

Around 100-200k if you are getting up there in seniority.

Hope that didn't sound too bad.

[/ QUOTE ]

Blah!

shooter13 · August 7th, 2003, 06:36

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Around 100-200k if you are getting up there in seniority.

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Don't forget if your airline doesn't go under and force you to start at the bottom all over again...

Mr_Creepy · August 7th, 2003, 07:23

There are very, very, very few pilots making over 100k. Sure if you happened to get on at one of the majors before 1996 you might be. I think USAir's furloughs went all the way back to 1991.

You are about to see a major change in the industry. The J4J program has proven that pilots will work for less than 6 figures.

I don't think many majors will be hiring in the next ten years without major adjustments to pay scales. Look for "C" or even "D" scales (under another more "politically correct" name of course!) to appear in the majors.

Now that management knows they can get pilots cheaper, they will,

RedBelly · August 7th, 2003, 08:50

Starting out is tough, especially now. I went the cargo route, so I never flew at a commutter. Aren't there some regional airlines that have written rules stating you cannot go pick up your food stamps while in uniform? I remember hearing that once or twice.

kellwolf · August 7th, 2003, 10:48

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Aren't there some regional airlines that have written rules stating you cannot go pick up your food stamps while in uniform? I remember hearing that once or twice.

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I think I would have to wear SOMETHING (like a hat) with the company logo on it, just to get my point across....

Flyr3465 · August 7th, 2003, 12:09

Man I love flying and all but thats ZERO money.
I always wanted to own a corvette you know

Maybe within the next 10 years before i come close to Airline business thatll change.

JDMcFly · August 7th, 2003, 13:46

By "Getting up there in seniority" I didn't even mean a ten year Captain, I'm talking if you are one of the lucky ones to be flying heavy metal after a 27 year career in flying and retiring in one.

"Now that management knows they can get pilots cheaper, they will"

I don't know how long it will last, atleast a few years. The economy will pick up, and eventually pilots who've been around awhile will start realizing they are getting screwed in pay..

You can't fly without pilots regardless of how much management tries.

Flyr3465 · August 7th, 2003, 15:55

I thought like Intl Pilots that fly 777's and 747's make like 300,000/year????

fly22 · August 7th, 2003, 15:57

No

Flyr3465 · August 7th, 2003, 15:58

hmmmmm maybe in a few years thattll come true

Wm226 · August 7th, 2003, 17:18

[ QUOTE ]
You are about to see a major change in the industry. The J4J program has proven that pilots will work for less than 6 figures.

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[ QUOTE ]
Now that management knows they can get pilots cheaper, they will,

[/ QUOTE ]

Do you think union strikes will be inevitable when the airline industry recovers?

Wohoo my 100th post!

fly22 · August 7th, 2003, 17:22

If the industry recovers and they don't compensate absolutley. Is it fair to ask for pay cuts to survive and then and then not reward them if a recovery is made.

Wm226 · August 7th, 2003, 17:50

I have always wanted to know this: Will the IRS tax me if I am a Flight Instructor making $10,000 - $14,000 a year?

How do the tax brackets work?

Athena · August 26th, 2003, 02:39

Being broke as I am i know that when you are making minimal money (10-15K a year) they govt takes about 30% of what you make. I don't know what bracket or any of that but it averages between 25 and 30. Hope that helps. Just remember, rice and ramen are your friends.

SierraPilot · August 26th, 2003, 03:08

[ QUOTE ]
I thought like Intl Pilots that fly 777's and 747's make like 300,000/year????

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John · August 26th, 2003, 08:06

Very Interesting...

flyboy04 · August 26th, 2003, 11:18

To get that seniority point would be tough now days. Because alot of people are having trouble finding jobs at regionals much less the majors, and even if you do get witha major i think youd be lucky to be a captain for 12 years, because youd be older when your hired and you have to retire at 60, assuming you stay in 1st medical condition.

TheWife · August 26th, 2003, 11:48

On that chart, where it says "seniority year" does that start with your FIRST year? Like is seniority year one your first year with them, or is it something like you have to go through say 5 years as joe nobody and then you start a "seniority" year one? Hope that made sense.

flycanuck · August 26th, 2003, 12:39

Another question here, in the airlines, can you make a jump from captain to captain. Say you were a captain on the 737, from there could you get promoted to the 757/67 left seat without being an FO first?

-Flycanuck

Doug Taylor · August 26th, 2003, 12:40

I'm almost afraid to look at what the "new" rates are after the bankruptcy filing.

Painful!

montanapilot · August 26th, 2003, 22:01

What about the big Northwest airlines strike a few years back or so? Did that accomplish very much as regards to pay or not? Also have there been very many pilots unions strike?

(please no pro or con comments about unions. I just wanna know if when they strike it helps increase pay or not)

JEP · August 27th, 2003, 06:55

At the time of the NWA Pilot strike, I was working in their Data Center. They did get a nice raise, but anything they gained is being taken away in the current economy. The pilots and mechanics hold the cards when it comes to getting the raises they wanted. All though that cannot be said now.

powerlifter · August 29th, 2003, 12:30

Wow, after checking those United wages, it's no wonder they've been having financial difficulties. Call me crazy, but $150,000 per year seems pretty excessive, given the supply of willing pilots out there.

August 7th, 2003, 01:41	#1
Flyr3465 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 15	Airline Pay How much Does a Airline Pilot make starting??? And How much does A airline pilot make when he retires??? Thanks Chirs

August 7th, 2003, 03:25	#2
JDMcFly Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York Posts: 1,739	Re: Airline Pay For starting with a regional carrier, 19 dollars an hour seems to be the standard. What, 75-90 hours a month paid, you do the math. The one good thing about pilot pay is raises are fairly big jumps (relative) year after year. It may be an extra 5 or 10 dollars an hour, but it's a difference between ramen and cambells. For retirement... Well, depends on how far you get . Around 100-200k if you are getting up there in seniority. Hope that didn't sound too bad.

August 7th, 2003, 05:53	#3
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark, AZ (KMZJ) Posts: 12,016	Re: Airline Pay [ QUOTE ] For starting with a regional carrier, 19 dollars an hour seems to be the standard. What, 75-90 hours a month paid, you do the math. The one good thing about pilot pay is raises are fairly big jumps (relative) year after year. It may be an extra 5 or 10 dollars an hour, but it's a difference between ramen and cambells. For retirement... Well, depends on how far you get . Around 100-200k if you are getting up there in seniority. Hope that didn't sound too bad. [/ QUOTE ] Blah!

August 7th, 2003, 06:36	#4
shooter13 Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,952	Re: Airline Pay [ QUOTE ] Around 100-200k if you are getting up there in seniority. [/ QUOTE ] Don't forget if your airline doesn't go under and force you to start at the bottom all over again...

August 7th, 2003, 07:23	#5
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,835	Re: Airline Pay There are very, very, very few pilots making over 100k. Sure if you happened to get on at one of the majors before 1996 you might be. I think USAir's furloughs went all the way back to 1991. You are about to see a major change in the industry. The J4J program has proven that pilots will work for less than 6 figures. I don't think many majors will be hiring in the next ten years without major adjustments to pay scales. Look for "C" or even "D" scales (under another more "politically correct" name of course!) to appear in the majors. Now that management knows they can get pilots cheaper, they will,

August 7th, 2003, 08:50	#6
RedBelly Newbie Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 14	Re: Airline Pay Starting out is tough, especially now. I went the cargo route, so I never flew at a commutter. Aren't there some regional airlines that have written rules stating you cannot go pick up your food stamps while in uniform? I remember hearing that once or twice.

August 7th, 2003, 10:48	#7
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 16,979	Re: Airline Pay [ QUOTE ] Aren't there some regional airlines that have written rules stating you cannot go pick up your food stamps while in uniform? I remember hearing that once or twice. [/ QUOTE ] I think I would have to wear SOMETHING (like a hat) with the company logo on it, just to get my point across....

August 7th, 2003, 12:09	#8
Flyr3465 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 15	Re: Airline Pay Man I love flying and all but thats ZERO money. I always wanted to own a corvette you know Maybe within the next 10 years before i come close to Airline business thatll change.

August 7th, 2003, 13:46	#9
JDMcFly Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York Posts: 1,739	Re: Airline Pay By "Getting up there in seniority" I didn't even mean a ten year Captain, I'm talking if you are one of the lucky ones to be flying heavy metal after a 27 year career in flying and retiring in one. "Now that management knows they can get pilots cheaper, they will" I don't know how long it will last, atleast a few years. The economy will pick up, and eventually pilots who've been around awhile will start realizing they are getting screwed in pay.. You can't fly without pilots regardless of how much management tries.

August 7th, 2003, 15:55	#10
Flyr3465 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 15	Re: Airline Pay I thought like Intl Pilots that fly 777's and 747's make like 300,000/year????

August 7th, 2003, 15:57	#11
fly22 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UT, SLC Posts: 2,411	Re: Airline Pay No

August 7th, 2003, 15:58	#12
Flyr3465 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 15	Re: Airline Pay hmmmmm maybe in a few years thattll come true

August 7th, 2003, 17:18	#13
Wm226 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: U.S. Posts: 448	Re: Airline Pay [ QUOTE ] You are about to see a major change in the industry. The J4J program has proven that pilots will work for less than 6 figures. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Now that management knows they can get pilots cheaper, they will, [/ QUOTE ] Do you think union strikes will be inevitable when the airline industry recovers? Wohoo my 100th post!

August 7th, 2003, 17:22	#14
fly22 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UT, SLC Posts: 2,411	Re: Airline Pay If the industry recovers and they don't compensate absolutley. Is it fair to ask for pay cuts to survive and then and then not reward them if a recovery is made.

August 7th, 2003, 17:50	#15
Wm226 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: U.S. Posts: 448	Re: Airline Pay I have always wanted to know this: Will the IRS tax me if I am a Flight Instructor making $10,000 - $14,000 a year? How do the tax brackets work?

August 26th, 2003, 02:39	#16
Athena Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Northwest State of Mind, WA Posts: 477	Re: Airline Pay Being broke as I am i know that when you are making minimal money (10-15K a year) they govt takes about 30% of what you make. I don't know what bracket or any of that but it averages between 25 and 30. Hope that helps. Just remember, rice and ramen are your friends.

August 26th, 2003, 03:08	#17
SierraPilot Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: soon to be Vero Beach Posts: 136	Re: Airline Pay [ QUOTE ] I thought like Intl Pilots that fly 777's and 747's make like 300,000/year???? [/ QUOTE ]

August 26th, 2003, 08:06	#18
John Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: CYSN/KBUF/CYYZ Posts: 321	Re: Airline Pay Very Interesting...

August 26th, 2003, 11:18	#19
flyboy04 Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 290	Re: Airline Pay To get that seniority point would be tough now days. Because alot of people are having trouble finding jobs at regionals much less the majors, and even if you do get witha major i think youd be lucky to be a captain for 12 years, because youd be older when your hired and you have to retire at 60, assuming you stay in 1st medical condition.

August 26th, 2003, 11:48	#20
TheWife Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Utah Posts: 4,180	Re: Airline Pay On that chart, where it says "seniority year" does that start with your FIRST year? Like is seniority year one your first year with them, or is it something like you have to go through say 5 years as joe nobody and then you start a "seniority" year one? Hope that made sense.

August 26th, 2003, 12:39	#21
flycanuck Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada (CYXU) Posts: 245	Re: Airline Pay Another question here, in the airlines, can you make a jump from captain to captain. Say you were a captain on the 737, from there could you get promoted to the 757/67 left seat without being an FO first? -Flycanuck

August 26th, 2003, 12:40	#22
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 50,368 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Airline Pay I'm almost afraid to look at what the "new" rates are after the bankruptcy filing. Painful!

August 26th, 2003, 22:01	#23
montanapilot Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portland, Orygun Posts: 1,661	Re: Airline Pay What about the big Northwest airlines strike a few years back or so? Did that accomplish very much as regards to pay or not? Also have there been very many pilots unions strike? (please no pro or con comments about unions. I just wanna know if when they strike it helps increase pay or not)

August 27th, 2003, 06:55	#24
JEP Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chaska, MN. Posts: 14,176 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Airline Pay At the time of the NWA Pilot strike, I was working in their Data Center. They did get a nice raise, but anything they gained is being taken away in the current economy. The pilots and mechanics hold the cards when it comes to getting the raises they wanted. All though that cannot be said now.

August 29th, 2003, 12:30	#25
powerlifter Newbie Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 15	Re: Airline Pay Wow, after checking those United wages, it's no wonder they've been having financial difficulties. Call me crazy, but $150,000 per year seems pretty excessive, given the supply of willing pilots out there.

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