CJ2 COPILOT NEAR LA...possibly low time?

[Texasspilot]

Cessna 525A co-pilot 7/8/2005
I am a 26 year old pilot with a CJ2 and little over 3500 hours.. I do a lot of volunteering for angel flight america 3*4 times a week and sometimes the flights get boring. I live in the LA area. My aircraft is based at Burbank.. I am looking for someone that is wanting to get some FREE time in a JET... I won't charge for anything. You will be responsible for your own food.. I am home the same day. You WONT get paid for this at all. IF anything you REALLY should be paying me. lol If you are interested e-mail me at ZippyBoi78@aol.com Don't e-mail me asking the requirements... you either know them or don't. The CJ2 is a single rated plane and I will be PIC.. You will just be helping out and learning.

[BrettInLJ]

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You WONT get paid for this at all. IF anything you REALLY should be paying me. lol

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I know this was said in jest, but careful or you might raise the blood pressure of some people on this board with that statement!

Seriously, that does sound like fun, and if I had some more experience I would jump all over that. I don't even have my multi yet. Can I ride along once for my birthday this August? I can work radios and communicate in an IFR environment... or even be the FA and buy dinner and beer after the trip.

[kellwolf]

If it's single rated and he's PIC, I don't think ya need your multi...... Does sound like a good learning experience, just don't think it's legally loggable.

[JDE]

Must be rough being 26 and having a CJ2 but no friends to go flying with...

[liebhabe]

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You WONT get paid for this at all. IF anything you REALLY should be paying me. lol

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I know this was said in jest, but careful or you might raise the blood pressure of some people on this board with that statement!

Seriously, that does sound like fun, and if I had some more experience I would jump all over that. I don't even have my multi yet. Can I ride along once for my birthday this August? I can work radios and communicate in an IFR environment... or even be the FA and buy dinner and beer after the trip.

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Something tells me, being a personal friend of Texasspilot, that it's not his CJ2. Just a hunch.

[Texasspilot]

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Something tells me, being a personal friend of Texasspilot, that it's not his CJ2. Just a hunch.

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You JERK!!! I could own a CJ2 in three years. I'll just keep with the 10 for 10 frozen dinners and in a couple of years Itll be mine!!


okok....I found it on skyjobs.net. Just thought somebody'd want to see it.

[liebhabe]

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Something tells me, being a personal friend of Texasspilot, that it's not his CJ2. Just a hunch.

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You JERK!!! I could own a CJ2 in three years. I'll just keep with the 10 for 10 frozen dinners and in a couple of years Itll be mine!!


okok....I found it on skyjobs.net. Just thought somebody'd want to see it.

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Them beef tips are good.

[Chris_Ford]

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Something tells me, being a personal friend of Texasspilot, that it's not his CJ2. Just a hunch.

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You JERK!!! I could own a CJ2 in three years. I'll just keep with the 10 for 10 frozen dinners and in a couple of years Itll be mine!!


okok....I found it on skyjobs.net. Just thought somebody'd want to see it.

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Them beef tips are good.

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Dude, 10 for 10? Ramen is 100-120 for 10....

[Texasspilot]

I actually felt it was a major turning point in my life when I was no longer forced to eat ramen for every meal and could eat it simply because it was delicous. However a little variety is nice also.

[JEP]

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If it's single rated and he's PIC, I don't think ya need your multi...... Does sound like a good learning experience, just don't think it's legally loggable.

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What if the PIC is a CFI....and gives instrution...Could it be logged as Dual Rec'd?

[kellwolf]

Sure, if the CFI is typed

[liebhabe]

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Sure, if the CFI is typed

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He would have to be anyway, if he was acting as PIC as the owner is. Jet=Type Required.

[wheelsup]

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Sure, if the CFI is typed

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He would have to be anyway, if he was acting as PIC as the owner is. Jet=Type Required.

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CFI's don't act as PIC, we log PIC.

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(3) An authorized instructor may log as pilot-in-command time all flight time while acting as an authorized instructor.


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Provided the student/pilot we're flying with is rated for the plane (i.e private pilot) we don't even need a medical...or be current, etc. etc.

Atleast this is my understanding of the FAR's. Could be way off base here though lol. Not sure if this works for other aircraft like turbojets...

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Edit: Now I understand what the "would have to be anyway" statement means. I guess this is assuming the owner is a CFI as well, and yeah, you could log this as dual received. I knew a guy who did this a few times, but he made like $150/trip as well (insurance needed him there, and the owner wanted to help him out a bit and make it worth his while in terms of logging time).

[liebhabe]

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Edit: Now I understand what the "would have to be anyway" statement means. I guess this is assuming the owner is a CFI as well, and yeah, you could log this as dual received. I knew a guy who did this a few times, but he made like $150/trip as well (insurance needed him there, and the owner wanted to help him out a bit and make it worth his while in terms of logging time).

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Yeah, it wouldn't make much sense in the long run to have a non-typed CFI giving instruction to someone with their type. Flight reviews and the such are probably going to be done during recurrent training and other training that keeps you up to date with insurance. But I agree with your basic premise about the log/act deal with CFIs.

[ananoman]

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What if the PIC is a CFI....and gives instrution...Could it be logged as Dual Rec'd?

[/ QUOTE ] They may not need to be a CFI if they have their ATP. Many of the sim instructors working in 142 training centers are not CFIs. If you look in 61.167 an ATP may instruct 'other pilots in air transportation service in the aircraft of the category, class, and type....for which the ATP pilot is rated and endorse the logbook or other training record of the person to whom training has been given.'

[MikeD]

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Jet=Type Required.

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Or FAA LOA, if no type rating in existance.

[kellwolf]

I think giving instruction on your ATP cert has to be associated with the company. So, I'm pretty sure Peanuckle and Kingairer can't freelance instruct in RJs. Sorry guys.

[MikeD]

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I think giving instruction on your ATP cert has to be associated with the company. So, I'm pretty sure Peanuckle and Kingairer can't freelance instruct in RJs. Sorry guys.

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Though it does say "....in air transportation service..." in 14 CFR 61.167(b)(1), is that what it really means? Sounds pretty vague to me.

[Bluto]

I think Texasspilot had his heart in the right place when he re-posted this, but since it is not, by any definition of the word, a "job" maybe the mods could move it to another section, or maybe add (*UNPAID*) to the subject line.

I understand the desire to get some experience in something larger, faster, or turbine powered, but there's no need to sell yourselves short. IMO, you'll get more out of spending a few hours in a sim with a good CFI rather than reading back clearances and switching frequencies with this guy. If you want to see what flying a jet is like, rent a video, or better yet, CFI for a year or so then go fly one for a living.

[rausda27]

Am I the only one on here that sees a problem with this guys add. The CJ2 is a single pilot plane and this guy wants some poor sap to ride along to put the gear up and down and not get compensated. What about hotels and meals? This is the problem with this industry, too many low time pilots willing to [censored] themselves out for a little unloggable, useless jet time. Bah!

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Am I the only one on here that sees a problem with this guys add. The CJ2 is a single pilot plane and this guy wants some poor sap to ride along to put the gear up and down and not get compensated. What about hotels and meals? This is the problem with this industry, too many low time pilots willing to [censored] themselves out for a little unloggable, useless jet time. Bah!

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I, for one, have no problems with what he's doing.

He doesn't *want* someone there. He's offering up the right seat for someone who wants to get some experience in a jet. He's BEING A NICE GUY. Heck, I wish I could ride in a biz jet, atleast for a few hours, just to see what its like.

How are people "bringing down the industry" by wanting to get some time in a jet? It's not like he's 'employing' someone with low time and not paying them anything and they are required to be there (i.e. two-pilot airplane), a la gulfstream.

~wheelsup

[rausda27]

I have seen it before, single pilot jet, looking for someone to sit right seat to "help out", no pay and convincing them that doing jep revisions and washing the aircraft will teach you something. I agree that this add isnt as bad as some, but the underlying problem still remains that there is potential for someone to sit right seat and not get paid. You want me there to pull the gear, pay me, you want me to make sure you dont make mistakes, pay me. Any other attitude in my book is unacceptable. I am sure that this guy wants someone qualified, i.e multi and instrument rated to ride along, so I don't think that he is giving charity to just anyone. If you want to learn about jets and not get paid, read the "Turbine Pilots Flight Manual".

[liebhabe]

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I have seen it before, single pilot jet, looking for someone to sit right seat to "help out", no pay and convincing them that doing jep revisions and washing the aircraft will teach you something. I agree that this add isnt as bad as some, but the underlying problem still remains that there is potential for someone to sit right seat and not get paid. You want me there to pull the gear, pay me, you want me to make sure you dont make mistakes, pay me. Any other attitude in my book is unacceptable. I am sure that this guy wants someone qualified, i.e multi and instrument rated to ride along, so I don't think that he is giving charity to just anyone. If you want to learn about jets and not get paid, read the "Turbine Pilots Flight Manual".

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I found it very clear from reading this ad that the guy is just bored and wants someone to talk to. He is very specific about the fact that you will not be logging the time and that this is in no way a job. It has nothing to do with the industry at all, it's just a single-pilot operator who wants someone to talk to on long cross country flights. He could probably care less if you put the gear up and down or switch frequencies and get clearances. I don't really think he's looking for you to wash the plane or do jep revisions either. He wants someone commercial / me / instrument qualified so that they could help out if needed and know what the heck is going on in an IFR environment.

What would be the problem with riding along for a few hours just for a little experience in how it all operates? It might make you a little more comfortable if you go to an interview and fly a jet sim. He's not really taking advantage of anyone since nothing is really gained except a little more understanding of jet and high-altitude operations. If you really "applied" to this looking for long term commitment and employment you would be missing the point of the ad. I fly alone all the time and wish I could post an ad for someone to ride along just to bs with. Darn insurance!

[rausda27]

What about the sentance at the end.."you will be helping out and learning" To me that seems that he is looking for more than a conversation buddy. What are your responses to his offer of "FREE time", to me, this time is completly unloggable and if you are responsible for you own meals, when then its not exactly free.

[rausda27]

Please understand that I am not just attacking this one add, but I have a problem with people like this seeking out specifically low time pilots with the promise of free time and experience, when they are looking to exlpoit the new pilots willingness to ride in a jet. I find it hard to belive that this guy has to place and add on the internet to find someone to ride along with him, if there wasn't some other alterior motive.