Van Nuys Area. No Pay, But Multi Time.

junior · October 11th, 2004, 10:11

Name: Steve Danz, Flight Level Aircraft
Address1: %13418 Ventura Blvd.
Address2:
City/State/Zip: Sherman Oaks CA 81423
Country: USA
Phone1: 818 783 7399
Phone2: 310 600 9276
FAX: 818 995 7159
EMail: SfDanz@aol.com
Web URL:
JobTitle: Co Pilot for Cessna 340
Job Location: Van Nuys CA
Summary: Want to build Multi Engine time? Fly right seat in a Cessna 340 with a high time (4,500)fully rated attorney/pilot. Estimated 3 trips per week, including Angelflight and family flights. No salary, but all expenses paid. Highly professional cockpit with standard call-outs, CRM and pre/post flight briefings. Some weekend trips. San Diego, No Cal, Southern Oregon, Reno/Tahoe, Las Vegas, normal destinations.
Qualifications: ME/IFR. CFII preferred but not required. Trips are planned (usually) 3-5 days in advance, so should be easy to plan around other jobs/activities.
Date Posted: 09-Oct-2004 02:37
Last Updated: 09-Oct-2004 02:37

Stone Cold · October 11th, 2004, 10:24

Make him go and actally pay for somebody to lower his insurance.

Cheap A$$. Once again, somebody trying to take advantage of us low timers...good luck finding a job that will let you take a few days off for "fun multi time".

Interviewer: How did you build all your multi time?
Pilot: I rode along as gear/flaps guy for a lawyer for a year in a C-340 and logged it as ???PIC? SIC?? Nope, neither of us has a MEI, but it was free time. Just curious...

Just my opinion.

PhilosopherPilot · October 11th, 2004, 15:42

Seems almost as bad as paying for a job.

G

thaina09123 · October 11th, 2004, 16:03

mann...talking about cheap. I can't believe that this guy have enough guts to find somebody to work for free like this. makes me maddd

SteveC · October 11th, 2004, 16:46

edit: changed my mind. deleted comments.

junior · October 11th, 2004, 19:37

yeah.. I was surprised to find this in AOPA's flight school postings.

ananoman · October 14th, 2004, 21:55

So let me get this straight. Someone is offering free time in his 340 in addition to paying 'expenses' and all you want to do is bitch about it? I think that some of the comments here are overly harsh. This guy does not 'need' anyone to fly with him. The fact that a CFI is not required means that he is not using the second pilot for insurance reasons either (even if he wanted a CFI, I doubt he needs one for insurance with the time he has). Maybe he is just a nice guy that prefers to fly with another pilot. Since he is involved with Angelflight, he would probably enjoy helping others.

Many on this board would see nothing wrong with going to ATP or Ari-Ben for their multi-time building programs, even though half the time is spent under the hood. How is that any better than riding with this guy? Going on a trip and having 'expenses' paid sounds like a better deal to me. I like free food!

As long as you get the required endorsements to fly this thing as PIC, you could either give the owner dual as a CFII or MEI, or log safety pilot time. You could also just log PIC on the legs you actually fly. I would imagine he would offer to trade legs if he is offering this opportunity.

RPM · October 15th, 2004, 00:02

I agree

I'd be happy to fly with the guy in my spare time if I lived in the area

Reno...Vegas, and expenses paid...yeah baby!

GregCollins2 · October 15th, 2004, 06:57

Have to agree, doesn't sound like a bad deal to me. I'd do it just for the fun of it.

Stone Cold · October 15th, 2004, 07:51

Re-reading my post I guess I was a little harsh on the guy, if he has good intentions for it and lets you fly the airplane, and is not doing it just to get a break on his insurance. Just be careful as to how you log it since it will come back and haunt you in an interview down the road.

Sorry for being overly negative, but I just am a firm believer in if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is...not many people are this nice, if this is legit.

liebhabe · October 16th, 2004, 12:36

I flew with this guy. Nothing but a class act, allows you to log PIC any legs that you want. The aircraft is great, has wonderful Garmin avionics and is maintained very well. Also, to everyone that thinks no one would take this position, he is swamped with people wanting to do it. The only problem is how to support yourself in LA with no pay.

montanapilot · October 16th, 2004, 15:57

hey where are you from in OR?

liebhabe · October 16th, 2004, 16:13

Just north of PDX

Raskolnikov · October 17th, 2004, 02:03

Well welcome to JC liebhabe!

October 11th, 2004, 10:11	#1
junior Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: CO Posts: 427	Van Nuys Area. No Pay, But Multi Time. Name: Steve Danz, Flight Level Aircraft Address1: %13418 Ventura Blvd. Address2: City/State/Zip: Sherman Oaks CA 81423 Country: USA Phone1: 818 783 7399 Phone2: 310 600 9276 FAX: 818 995 7159 EMail: SfDanz@aol.com Web URL: JobTitle: Co Pilot for Cessna 340 Job Location: Van Nuys CA Summary: Want to build Multi Engine time? Fly right seat in a Cessna 340 with a high time (4,500)fully rated attorney/pilot. Estimated 3 trips per week, including Angelflight and family flights. No salary, but all expenses paid. Highly professional cockpit with standard call-outs, CRM and pre/post flight briefings. Some weekend trips. San Diego, No Cal, Southern Oregon, Reno/Tahoe, Las Vegas, normal destinations. Qualifications: ME/IFR. CFII preferred but not required. Trips are planned (usually) 3-5 days in advance, so should be easy to plan around other jobs/activities. Date Posted: 09-Oct-2004 02:37 Last Updated: 09-Oct-2004 02:37

October 11th, 2004, 10:24	#2
Stone Cold Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SE US & Kiev Posts: 3,039	Re: Van Nuys Area. No Pay, But Multi Time. Make him go and actally pay for somebody to lower his insurance. Cheap A$$. Once again, somebody trying to take advantage of us low timers...good luck finding a job that will let you take a few days off for "fun multi time". Interviewer: How did you build all your multi time? Pilot: I rode along as gear/flaps guy for a lawyer for a year in a C-340 and logged it as ???PIC? SIC?? Nope, neither of us has a MEI, but it was free time. Just curious... Just my opinion.

October 11th, 2004, 15:42	#3
PhilosopherPilot Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Providence, RI Posts: 454	Re: Van Nuys Area. No Pay, But Multi Time. Seems almost as bad as paying for a job. G

October 11th, 2004, 16:03	#4
thaina09123 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: BKK --> CT --> FL Posts: 81	Re: Van Nuys Area. No Pay, But Multi Time. mann...talking about cheap. I can't believe that this guy have enough guts to find somebody to work for free like this. makes me maddd

October 11th, 2004, 16:46	#5
SteveC Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,634	Re: Van Nuys Area. No Pay, But Multi Time. edit: changed my mind. deleted comments.

October 11th, 2004, 19:37	#6
junior Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: CO Posts: 427	Re: Van Nuys Area. No Pay, But Multi Time. yeah.. I was surprised to find this in AOPA's flight school postings.

October 14th, 2004, 21:55	#7
ananoman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 916	Re: Van Nuys Area. No Pay, But Multi Time. So let me get this straight. Someone is offering free time in his 340 in addition to paying 'expenses' and all you want to do is bitch about it? I think that some of the comments here are overly harsh. This guy does not 'need' anyone to fly with him. The fact that a CFI is not required means that he is not using the second pilot for insurance reasons either (even if he wanted a CFI, I doubt he needs one for insurance with the time he has). Maybe he is just a nice guy that prefers to fly with another pilot. Since he is involved with Angelflight, he would probably enjoy helping others. Many on this board would see nothing wrong with going to ATP or Ari-Ben for their multi-time building programs, even though half the time is spent under the hood. How is that any better than riding with this guy? Going on a trip and having 'expenses' paid sounds like a better deal to me. I like free food! As long as you get the required endorsements to fly this thing as PIC, you could either give the owner dual as a CFII or MEI, or log safety pilot time. You could also just log PIC on the legs you actually fly. I would imagine he would offer to trade legs if he is offering this opportunity.

October 15th, 2004, 00:02	#8
RPM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: LAX Posts: 658	Re: Van Nuys Area. No Pay, But Multi Time. I agree I'd be happy to fly with the guy in my spare time if I lived in the area Reno...Vegas, and expenses paid...yeah baby!

October 15th, 2004, 06:57	#9
GregCollins2 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hendersonville, NC Posts: 284	Re: Van Nuys Area. No Pay, But Multi Time. Have to agree, doesn't sound like a bad deal to me. I'd do it just for the fun of it.

October 15th, 2004, 07:51	#10
Stone Cold Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SE US & Kiev Posts: 3,039	Re: Van Nuys Area. No Pay, But Multi Time. Re-reading my post I guess I was a little harsh on the guy, if he has good intentions for it and lets you fly the airplane, and is not doing it just to get a break on his insurance. Just be careful as to how you log it since it will come back and haunt you in an interview down the road. Sorry for being overly negative, but I just am a firm believer in if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is...not many people are this nice, if this is legit.

October 16th, 2004, 12:36	#11
liebhabe Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere Inbetween Posts: 103	Re: Van Nuys Area. No Pay, But Multi Time. I flew with this guy. Nothing but a class act, allows you to log PIC any legs that you want. The aircraft is great, has wonderful Garmin avionics and is maintained very well. Also, to everyone that thinks no one would take this position, he is swamped with people wanting to do it. The only problem is how to support yourself in LA with no pay.

October 16th, 2004, 15:57	#12
montanapilot Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portland, Orygun Posts: 1,641	Re: Van Nuys Area. No Pay, But Multi Time. hey where are you from in OR?

October 16th, 2004, 16:13	#13
liebhabe Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere Inbetween Posts: 103	Re: Van Nuys Area. No Pay, But Multi Time. Just north of PDX

October 17th, 2004, 02:03	#14
Raskolnikov Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 272	Re: Van Nuys Area. No Pay, But Multi Time. Well welcome to JC liebhabe!

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