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September 12th, 2004, 18:45
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SE US
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 |  C-208 F/O position in Hawaii Pacific Wings Airlines Product/Service: Location: Kahului, Maui HI Required Travel: None Job Type: Full-time Employment Type: Permanent Description: C208B First Officer Private Kahului, Maui HI Pacific Wings Airlines Limited seeks a C208B First Officer in Maui, Hawaii. This is not a pay for training job. Requirements: We are seeking 350-900 hour Pilots wishing to build time to qualify for Captain at 1200 hours. You will get a seniority number upon successful completion of checkride. You will be trained in all aspects of airline responsibilities, i.e. reservations, baggage handling, etc. Company Benefits: Contact Information: Chief Pilot chill@pacificwings.com Fax: 808-873-7920 Pacific Wings Airlines |
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September 12th, 2004, 18:50
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| Junior Member  Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Fo\' Laudydaudy, FL.
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii Sounds cool, to bad it isn't mainland... |
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September 12th, 2004, 21:20
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii Actually doesn't sound like a bad starting gig, depending on pay. It IS Hawaii...... Only 100 more hours, and I could actually apply for it...... |
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September 12th, 2004, 22:34
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: LAX
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii can't log SIC time in a caravan can ya? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] |
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September 12th, 2004, 23:18
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii [ QUOTE ] can't log SIC time in a caravan can ya? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I'd like to see their OPSPECs.... |
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September 13th, 2004, 01:29
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| Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii Depends. If it's 135 and carrying pax, you can. |
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September 13th, 2004, 01:46
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| Moderator  Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: chicago
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii How else would you get to 1200? |
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September 13th, 2004, 11:59
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Richmond, VA
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii You could log all of the time on "dead legs." Thats what I do right now.... flying multi-engine trips, the plane is single pilot, but often times we fly places empty to pick up pax. and what not. For instance this weekend there was a 1.4 hr dead leg to St. Louis to pick up 2 in a Cheyenne and take them to Grand Rapids. Then we flew another 1.1 from GRR to Toledo, OH empty. You'd be amazed at how quickly it adds up! Chris |
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September 13th, 2004, 13:10
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: was Ophir, CO, now in SLC!
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii I'm sure these guys are 121 as a scheduled operation. As such, as MTSU said, if their opspecs says you need a two pilot crew, you can log SIC so long as you rated as a SIC in that a/c. But because the 208 is less than 12,500, you wouldn't need a type rating in it to even act as PIC. I guess that means you could act as PF sometimes. |
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September 13th, 2004, 16:21
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| Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SE US
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii I don't want to start a flame war on logging, etc. but my understanding is as follows: Part 91:empty legs, fly to your heart's content as long as legal to fly the A/C (typed, under 12,500, etc) and log it. Part 135: you cannot log time as SIC if not required for the airplane as per the FAR's. It doesn't matter if the inurance requires it, if the regs don't require it for the airplane, you cannot log it. This includes empty flights going to or from picking pax up...it's still a 135 flight. Subpart K: fractionals can write it into the ops man and then they would be required for SIC, so you may log SIC. My point is, be careful putting items in your log book...know that it's allowed according to the FARs, not just somebody told you you could. You'll have to answer the questions the rest of your career as to why you have this in your log book. I put this on since it's from a pay site and I'm paying, but not everybody should have to for jobs in this industry. Just my thoughts... Joe |
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September 13th, 2004, 16:23
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| Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii [ QUOTE ] Part 135: [/ QUOTE ] I thought there was a clause in 135 (might be 121) that if you're carrying PAX, the plane either has to have some kind of autopilot or second pilot reqs. If this were a cargo op, I'd agree. However, it looks like either a charter, scheduled carrier or sightseeing op. |
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September 13th, 2004, 16:34
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| Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SE US
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii Kell, Like I prefaced, I didn't want to get into a huge discussion as this is the wrong forum for it, and I will also say I am not an expert on the regs. I think you're right on the autopilot thing, but I just was making general statements for low-timers like myself to watch out for people trying to fudge things to help themselves and hurting the pilots in the long run. I know of quite a few people who are logging illegal or questionable things and trying to justify it, but in the long run they will pay in the interviews if they have to justify their logging of time. This job sounds like just that...debatable logging of time. I put it on here for people to look at but also wanted to put a statement out there for people to be wary of all jobs that are too good to be true...especially if you are moving to Hawaii!!! Maybe we should start a thread in pro pilot to discuss this...I've gotta run but will be back and see what the discussion is later on it. |
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September 13th, 2004, 16:37
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| Administrator  Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Part 135: [/ QUOTE ] I thought there was a clause in 135 (might be 121) that if you're carrying PAX, the plane either has to have some kind of autopilot or second pilot reqs. If this were a cargo op, I'd agree. However, it looks like either a charter, scheduled carrier or sightseeing op. [/ QUOTE ] I can't remember. I do know that when my old buddy Bob Armstrong was killed in his 208, he was flying single-pilot 135 on a flight carrying pax from the Department of the Interior, who also perished. Now whether there was some clause such as "public use" or something like that I don't know. |
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September 13th, 2004, 23:53
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: So. California
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii Caravan FO, you've got to be kidding... What's next? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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September 14th, 2004, 01:11
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| Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii [ QUOTE ] You will be trained in all aspects of airline responsibilities, i.e. reservations, baggage handling, etc. [/ QUOTE ] You're a mobile CSR. That's all it is. |
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September 14th, 2004, 01:19
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| Agent Smith  | Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii Training in baggage handling? Isn't it a lot like that song that the ranger in the Hanna-Barbara cartoons from the 70's taught the bears? "pick it up, put it in the bin, bump bump, it's a lot of fun, it's a lot of fun..." |
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September 14th, 2004, 01:23
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| Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii Doug, that was DISNEY! It was J. Audobon Woodlore and Humphrey the bear.... God, I'm sad. |
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September 14th, 2004, 01:30
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| Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii [ QUOTE ] Training in baggage handling? Isn't it a lot like that song that the ranger in the Hanna-Barbara cartoons from the 70's taught the bears? "pick it up, put it in the bin, bump bump, it's a lot of fun, it's a lot of fun..." [/ QUOTE ] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I still know the dance... |
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September 14th, 2004, 02:22
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| Agent Smith | Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii I see Mickey the Rat's got you brainwashed! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] But good catch. I didn't seem like HB, but it certainly wasn't Warner! |
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September 14th, 2004, 02:40
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| Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii [ QUOTE ] I see Mickey the Rat's got you brainwashed! [/ QUOTE ] I'm still fighting the effects. Eisner is stepping down in 2006, but that's not soon enough for me..... |
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September 14th, 2004, 21:30
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: lower canada
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii [ QUOTE ] I'm sure these guys are 121 as a scheduled operation. As such, as MTSU said, if their opspecs says you need a two pilot crew, you can log SIC so long as you rated as a SIC in that a/c. But because the 208 is less than 12,500, you wouldn't need a type rating in it to even act as PIC. I guess that means you could act as PF sometimes. [/ QUOTE ] Part 121, says single engine aircraft are prohibited from 121ops. -brian |
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September 15th, 2004, 00:47
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm sure these guys are 121 as a scheduled operation. As such, as MTSU said, if their opspecs says you need a two pilot crew, you can log SIC so long as you rated as a SIC in that a/c. But because the 208 is less than 12,500, you wouldn't need a type rating in it to even act as PIC. I guess that means you could act as PF sometimes. [/ QUOTE ] Part 121, says single engine aircraft are prohibited from 121ops. -brian [/ QUOTE ] As someone mentioned earlier, the Caravan and PC-12 are exempt from that rule. |
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September 15th, 2004, 04:12
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| Old Skool  Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas TX
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| Re: C-208 F/O position in Hawaii [ QUOTE ] As someone mentioned earlier, the Caravan and PC-12 are exempt from that rule. [/ QUOTE ] The FARs were amended to allow single engine turbine pt135, not 121. As mentioned before empty ferry flights in single pilot aircraft can be flown as pt 91 where you and the "Captian" switch seats allowing you to build time. |
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