Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logbooks? - Page 3

planestupid · July 21st, 2009, 11:23

Here is something else to think about. With the advent of flightaware, it would not be hard for someone to pad their logbook with time in an aircraft that has actually flown.

Track an aircraft, log the time. Not too difficult.

But the question is this: Why in the world would anyone do this?

For the life of me there is absolutely no good reason or motivation to falsify your times. Not even a job nor interview.

MOONWOLF · July 22nd, 2009, 13:10

They would only be able to look up IFR flights though...right? So if you don't file IFR then nothing shows up on record.

My thinking it would be pointless for them, unless they wanted to know how many times you've flown ifr.

TheresaPilot · July 23rd, 2009, 02:06

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Originally Posted by MOONWOLF

They would only be able to look up IFR flights though...right? So if you don't file IFR then nothing shows up on record.

My thinking it would be pointless for them, unless they wanted to know how many times you've flown ifr.

It's any flight that gets a squawk code.

mikecweb · July 23rd, 2009, 09:40

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Originally Posted by TheresaPilot

It's any flight that gets a squawk code.

Not always.

Nice hair btw....

gatorbuc99 · July 25th, 2009, 07:46

From what i understand it's any flight that gets a "real" code...one that doesn't start with a 0, like you'd get from an approach facility for a short flight, or a code you get from center, i think that's the deal-io

germb747 · July 28th, 2009, 02:38

I recommend people just take care to ensure their flight times are 100% legit and as close to 100% accurate as possible. Then, there's no need to worry about what means, if any, a potential employer may use to validate the times in your logbook.

Alinator · August 3rd, 2009, 04:57

I think it sucks if prospected employers actually verify log books. I now have to go back and remove my B-777 type and subsequent PIC time. And to think, I was this close to getting hired on at one of dem' top-notch Nigerian operations! Good thing I have a backup plan for employment over there...

aloft · August 3rd, 2009, 05:09

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Originally Posted by gatorbuc99

From what i understand it's any flight that gets a "real" code...one that doesn't start with a 0, like you'd get from an approach facility for a short flight, or a code you get from center, i think that's the deal-io

Again, not always.

Military and other public use flights are blocked, as are many civilian corporate operators who claim it's for "security" reasons (like not letting shareholders see how many trips to Aspen or Hawaii a company's jet makes).

rd757 · August 3rd, 2009, 11:01

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Originally Posted by aloft

Again, not always.

Military and other public use flights are blocked, as are many civilian corporate operators who claim it's for "security" reasons (like not letting shareholders see how many trips to Aspen or Hawaii a company's jet makes).

Bingo. That is the main reason a lot of corporate jets are blocked, which makes a spotters job difficult

RD

mikecweb · August 3rd, 2009, 13:12

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Originally Posted by aloft

Again, not always.

Military and other public use flights are blocked, as are many civilian corporate operators who claim it's for "security" reasons (like not letting shareholders see how many trips to Aspen or Hawaii a company's jet makes).

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Originally Posted by rd757

Bingo. That is the main reason a lot of corporate jets are blocked, which makes a spotters job difficult

RD

If it saves corporate jet jobs who gives a ?

Why won't this ridiculous thread die?

SteveC · August 3rd, 2009, 15:20

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Originally Posted by rd757

Bingo. That is the main reason a lot of corporate jets are blocked, which makes a spotters job difficult

RD

Out of the 13 planes that we operate only one has it's tail # blocked. It is a wholly owned aircraft that we manage, and it almost never gets used for personal flights, and the reason that it's blocked is to prevent their competitors from seeing where they are scoping out new locations. In fact, it's a privately held company that doesn't need to worry about stockholder opinions.

You guys are just continuing a popular misconception based on...what???

BajtheJino · August 3rd, 2009, 15:27

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Originally Posted by mikecweb

Why won't this ridiculous thread die?

I know a guy that had an instructor that had a student that flew with a guy that worked at a 135 that knew a guy that went to an interview who said he knew a guy that once heard that people did this. Come on man!

ChasenSFO · August 5th, 2009, 15:28

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Originally Posted by TheresaPilot

It's any flight that gets a squawk code.

People tell me that, but I get flight following on pretty much every XC and never show up on flightaware, but my friends do, go figure.

sdfcvoh · August 6th, 2009, 21:48

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Originally Posted by ChasenSFO

People tell me that, but I get flight following on pretty much every XC and never show up on flightaware, but my friends do, go figure.

I was once yelled at and threatened with my job when my boss couldn't find me on a VFR XC flight because it wasn't on flightaware. I was on an active FAA Flight Plan and on Flight Following... So believe me, it doesn't always get into their system.

PA44-LUV · August 7th, 2009, 13:56

and if you or your company block the aircraft tail number from showing up on flight aware (either by blocking vendors from releasing the # or requesting that the FAA blocks them from the vendors), then attempting to verify the flight wouldn't do them good anyway because the information just wouldn't be available.

Slugger · August 7th, 2009, 15:09

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Originally Posted by TheresaPilot

It's any flight that gets a squawk code.

When I have done my cross country flights from KSFM in Sanford, ME to KRKD in Rockland, ME, I talk to Portland approach and I get a squawk, but it doesn't show up on flightaware. When I flew to KLEB in Lebanon, NH, I talked to Boston approach, then Boston center, and only the leg back showed up and it had the wrong arrival airport and the 2 were switched (I flew LEB-SFM, but it had DAW-LEB).

jynxyjoe · August 7th, 2009, 15:17

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Originally Posted by AG3FLY

Do employers use Flight Aware to verify flights in your logbook?

Yeah, we've all been watching your flights. We caught you.

TUCKnTRUCK · August 10th, 2009, 00:44

I hear plane sense in mass, will pull FAA RAPTAR data and come after you...

SpiraMirabilis · August 15th, 2009, 22:00

Makes you want to fly and old Lear 25 into that airport at night for landing practice.

Boris Badenov · August 16th, 2009, 04:14

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Originally Posted by jynxyjoe

Yeah, we've all been watching your flights. We caught you.

The walls have ears! Flightaware is a mess and kind of a joke, but if it keeps the cheaters chewing on their Parker 51s, so much the better say I. If I were a CP looking to hire, I would look up say five random IFR flights from your logbook. One missing? Fine, explain it. More than that and you're not getting hired. The smell of blood carries very far. Don't cheat and you've nothing to worry about. Throughout my career I've seen guys getting ahead who I'm pretty sure were "cutting some corners" re: time, etc. I am not at all upset that there's a way to cull out the padders, however flawed it might be. I ate untold buckets of excrement to get my experience and time, I will dance a little jig every time an entitlement-minded liar gets his come-uppence because he exhibited hubris in his cheating.

Mike H · September 28th, 2009, 16:22

I've occasionally seen on Flight Aware local flights I've done that were only practice approaches , and others that were cross country, IFR flight plans that weren't there at all, and still others that were there, but were either incomplete, or wrong.

crazyjaydawg · November 11th, 2009, 17:04

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Originally Posted by Boris Badenov

The walls have ears! Flightaware is a mess and kind of a joke, but if it keeps the cheaters chewing on their Parker 51s, so much the better say I. If I were a CP looking to hire, I would look up say five random IFR flights from your logbook. One missing? Fine, explain it. More than that and you're not getting hired. The smell of blood carries very far. Don't cheat and you've nothing to worry about. Throughout my career I've seen guys getting ahead who I'm pretty sure were "cutting some corners" re: time, etc. I am not at all upset that there's a way to cull out the padders, however flawed it might be. I ate untold buckets of excrement to get my experience and time, I will dance a little jig every time an entitlement-minded liar gets his come-uppence because he exhibited hubris in his cheating.

Although I agree about cheating the system is wrong, the A/C I have flown for the last year is blocked. It's in the middle of a deep recession when many pilots are out on the street. In your eyes would this mean I am cheating the system and was actually out of a job for the year because you might find me having flown just once in a rented 172 with somebody?

butt · November 13th, 2009, 19:35

I personally wouldn't log any time in a plane if I knew it wasn't being tracked by flight aware. What if sometime in the future you did an interview and they tried to match up your times and it didn't match up with flightaware? You'd have some explaining to do. It just isn't worth it. Yes the odds are that they probably wouldn't but why take that chance? Its not worth it. Also, I heard the FAA sometimes uses flight aware to check against the logbook of pilots when they are rampchecked to make sure the pilots aren't logging any time illegally.

JEP · November 13th, 2009, 20:13

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Originally Posted by butt

I personally wouldn't log any time in a plane if I knew it wasn't being tracked by flight aware. What if sometime in the future you did an interview and they tried to match up your times and it didn't match up with flightaware? You'd have some explaining to do. It just isn't worth it. Yes the odds are that they probably wouldn't but why take that chance? Its not worth it. Also, I heard the FAA sometimes uses flight aware to check against the logbook of pilots when they are rampchecked to make sure the pilots aren't logging any time illegally.

Honestly that's a load of b.s. Seriously, that fact that a plane isn't being tracked by FlightAware means nothing and will get a pilot in no trouble at all. Any operator can have their N# blocked and there is nothing the FAA can do about it.

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Can I block my aircraft on FlightAware? (Back To Top) Yes, there are two ways to accomplish this:

FlightAware Selective (Un)blocking Enroll in FlightAware's selective unblocking service for a tail number that is not already blocked.
FlightAware can process your request with next-day service and will block your operations from the general public. Your FlightAware account(s) will continue to be able to securely view and track your aircraft. FlightAware will complete the paperwork necessary for blocking your aircraft on other flight tracking services and will provide you with everything you need to accomplish the block.
Blocking request through NBAA BARR The NBAA (National Business Aviation Association) operates and maintains the BARR (Blocked Aircraft Registration Request) in conjunction with the FAA. This service is free although it may take 30-45 days to take effect and will not allow your user account to track your aircraft on FlightAware unless you subscribe to FlightAware's selective unblocking service.
For us to submit your request, simply contact us to walk you through the process.

BajtheJino · November 13th, 2009, 20:28

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Originally Posted by butt

I personally wouldn't log any time in a plane if I knew it wasn't being tracked by flight aware. What if sometime in the future you did an interview and they tried to match up your times and it didn't match up with flightaware? You'd have some explaining to do. It just isn't worth it. Yes the odds are that they probably wouldn't but why take that chance? Its not worth it. Also, I heard the FAA sometimes uses flight aware to check against the logbook of pilots when they are rampchecked to make sure the pilots aren't logging any time illegally.

This thread should be locked to further avoid any more posts of this nature.

Just out of curiosity where does this information come from?

July 21st, 2009, 11:23	#51
planestupid Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: United States Posts: 38	Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo Here is something else to think about. With the advent of flightaware, it would not be hard for someone to pad their logbook with time in an aircraft that has actually flown. Track an aircraft, log the time. Not too difficult. But the question is this: Why in the world would anyone do this? For the life of me there is absolutely no good reason or motivation to falsify your times. Not even a job nor interview.

July 22nd, 2009, 13:10	#52
MOONWOLF Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: I hate california!! Posts: 72	Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo They would only be able to look up IFR flights though...right? So if you don't file IFR then nothing shows up on record. My thinking it would be pointless for them, unless they wanted to know how many times you've flown ifr.

July 25th, 2009, 07:46	#55
gatorbuc99 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: deep in enemy territory Posts: 57	Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo From what i understand it's any flight that gets a "real" code...one that doesn't start with a 0, like you'd get from an approach facility for a short flight, or a code you get from center, i think that's the deal-io

July 28th, 2009, 02:38	#56
germb747 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: San Antonio Posts: 1,070	Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo I recommend people just take care to ensure their flight times are 100% legit and as close to 100% accurate as possible. Then, there's no need to worry about what means, if any, a potential employer may use to validate the times in your logbook.

August 3rd, 2009, 04:57	#57
Alinator Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Jackass Meadows Posts: 72	Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo I think it sucks if prospected employers actually verify log books. I now have to go back and remove my B-777 type and subsequent PIC time. And to think, I was this close to getting hired on at one of dem' top-notch Nigerian operations! Good thing I have a backup plan for employment over there...

August 7th, 2009, 13:56	#65
PA44-LUV Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Falls Church, VA Posts: 125	Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo and if you or your company block the aircraft tail number from showing up on flight aware (either by blocking vendors from releasing the # or requesting that the FAA blocks them from the vendors), then attempting to verify the flight wouldn't do them good anyway because the information just wouldn't be available. __________________ I can haz airplane!

August 10th, 2009, 00:44	#68
TUCKnTRUCK Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: MHT Posts: 671	Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo I hear plane sense in mass, will pull FAA RAPTAR data and come after you...

August 15th, 2009, 22:00	#69
SpiraMirabilis Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,344 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo Makes you want to fly and old Lear 25 into that airport at night for landing practice. __________________ Yet Another Freight Puppy*

September 28th, 2009, 16:22	#71
Mike H Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver Posts: 242	Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo I've occasionally seen on Flight Aware local flights I've done that were only practice approaches , and others that were cross country, IFR flight plans that weren't there at all, and still others that were there, but were either incomplete, or wrong. __________________ TT: 450 M-E: 35 C.A.S.E.L.& C.A.M.E.L, Instrument Airplane

November 13th, 2009, 19:35	#73
butt Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: . Posts: 497	Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo I personally wouldn't log any time in a plane if I knew it wasn't being tracked by flight aware. What if sometime in the future you did an interview and they tried to match up your times and it didn't match up with flightaware? You'd have some explaining to do. It just isn't worth it. Yes the odds are that they probably wouldn't but why take that chance? Its not worth it. Also, I heard the FAA sometimes uses flight aware to check against the logbook of pilots when they are rampchecked to make sure the pilots aren't logging any time illegally.

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