Mesa Airgroup

[ihavewings]

What can people tell me about Mesa. Have an interview coming up and would like any info. Also a Piedmont interview following Mesa. Which would be the better company assuming I was offered a job at each?

[JEP]

Originally Posted by ihavewings

What can people tell me about Mesa. Have an interview coming up and would like any info. Also a Piedmont interview following Mesa. Which would be the better company assuming I was offered a job at each?

I have no direct experience with either, but generally Mesa is frowned upon here. Not sure if we have any Mesa pilots. We do have several at PDT though. As for Mesa take a read through this:


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[ClearedForOption]

All of the posts at the "interviews" gouge site are 100% spot on. Go through all of the posts going back as for as you can pulling out the ATP Q's that they are going to ask on the written. (Also study the red book) 1 on 1 is mostly Jepp's and situational. (WWYD, not WWJD - although hopefully J would cancel and identify, do his EPC's and follow the SOP's) It's not a tough interview.

Mesa needs pilots like crazy - attrition is huge. They will offer the next class date, it's ok to take the next one down the line if you need more time to get ready. (I did, they will push to have you get the 1st one, but it's really no big deal to take the class two weeks down the road)

There's a bunch of Mesa guys here on the boards if you have any questions. Take everything you hear with a grain of salt and do your own research. Remember - opinions are like a-holes... everyone has them and they all stink. Some people are happy, some are pissed off... so make a career decision based on what you think is best for your career. (unless you decide to scab - don't do that) If you get the offer and have a class date those of us who just went through class can give you a heads up on what you have to have ready and study to give you a leg up. (I have the EPC's as MP3's for instance you you can read along and memorize)

Overall, really not much to say. Wear a suit. Non-revving in is a pain - but going out will be cake. Do your best.

[H46Bubba]

Having worked for Mesa, I'd say go to Piedmont. Better pay and QOL. If you choose Mesa, don't be an SJS punk (shiny jet syndrome), instead help make Mesa a better place with a new contract.

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by ihavewings

What can people tell me about Mesa. Have an interview coming up and would like any info. Also a Piedmont interview following Mesa. Which would be the better company assuming I was offered a job at each?

What are your times?

[dvtpilot]

Originally Posted by JEP

I have no direct experience with either, but generally Mesa is frowned upon here. Not sure if we have any Mesa pilots. We do have several at PDT though. As for Mesa take a read through this:


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I'm at MAG, and while I'm sure its not the best, I'm also pretty sure there are a few companies worse off than us, or at the same level. Feel free to ask any questions you may have, and be sure to take advice about the company from people who ACTUALLY have experience at it. Not someone who dishes out broad generalizations about going to a place that is "frowned upon."

[JEP]

Originally Posted by dvtpilot

I'm at MAG, and while I'm sure its not the best, I'm also pretty sure there are a few companies worse off than us, or at the same level. Feel free to ask any questions you may have, and be sure to take advice about the company from people who ACTUALLY have experience at it. Not someone who dishes out broad generalizations about going to a place that is "frowned upon."

Easy there big fella......It is not a broad generalization in regards to the members here on this forum. If you took a poll (which doesn't mean much) you would find that to be more than a generalization.

I posted the search for the member...So he could get some more views.

I did not say don't go there. If it works for him for whatever reason, then go for it. Each place will have pluses and minuses that will mean different things for different people.

If I lived in one of their bases I would have no problem considering them. Each situation is what the person makes of it.

[surreal1221]

Not to rain on anyone's parade here. . .but I don't see much Interview Experience going on right now.

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Folks, it's "Interview Experiences". Asking a question to a person that posted an Interview Experience is kosher, but anything else belongs in the appropriate forum.

[Tuckster]

I have been offered a Jan class but I'm on the east coast and not sure I want to spend 8-10 weeks in Phoenix. Does anyone know if there are breaks long enough to get back to the east coast and if so, do you have to cover your own airfare or will Mesa help with that ?? I've heard Mesa's training is a little unstructured and there are breaks. I have an interview upcoming with ASA and their base and training is in Atlanta. I'm sure most on this forum would say ASA 50-1 over Mesa but I agree with the "everyone has an opinion" quote. I have talked with happy Mesa pilots and unhappy ASA pilots (and vise/versa).

[ClearedForOption]

Originally Posted by Tuckster

I have been offered a Jan class but I'm on the east coast and not sure I want to spend 8-10 weeks in Phoenix. Does anyone know if there are breaks long enough to get back to the east coast and if so, do you have to cover your own airfare or will Mesa help with that ?? I've heard Mesa's training is a little unstructured and there are breaks. I have an interview upcoming with ASA and their base and training is in Atlanta. I'm sure most on this forum would say ASA 50-1 over Mesa but I agree with the "everyone has an opinion" quote. I have talked with happy Mesa pilots and unhappy ASA pilots (and vise/versa).

There are breaks and there are breaks... Ground/CSI's/Oral was basically 5 straight weeks. (don't expect weekends off - they gave us Wed. and Sun. off each week) I'm on a 2 month break before FTD's and the SIM. Once online I expect I will never have a day off. Didn't have any problem going home - I drove to PHX a few times from Los Angeles and non-rev'd a couple of times. PHX in January is really, really nice... a great break from the cold. It all depends - my experience might be much different than yours as training is catching up.

[Tuckster]

2 months off between ground an FTD ????? WOW, thats a heck of a break !!!! When you say non-rev, thats fly home for free correct ???

[JEP]

Originally Posted by ClearedForOption

There are breaks and there are breaks... Ground/CSI's/Oral was basically 5 straight weeks. (don't expect weekends off - they gave us Wed. and Sun. off each week) I'm on a 2 month break before FTD's and the SIM. Once online I expect I will never have a day off. Didn't have any problem going home - I drove to PHX a few times from Los Angeles and non-rev'd a couple of times. PHX in January is really, really nice... a great break from the cold. It all depends - my experience might be much different than yours as training is catching up.

???? When did you leave the other carrier? Skyway if my memory serves me correct. You don't have to answer, but was there any specific reasons? I don't recall seeing anything about it.

Anyhow, good luck in the new gig....

[ihavewings]

480tt 210me

[nwa757]

Ihavewings and anyone else considering Mesa,
Out of all the regionals in the US, Mesa is the last one you want to work for. Trust me. I hated my time there and now enjoy working for ExpressJet. My life is now literally 3x better. Don't waste your time there. Massive attrition for a reason. Huge lawsuits in Hawaii. Only 8 days off a month. MELs all the time. Poor morale.

Not a place to go fly a jet. Everyone else is hiring. Do something good for this industry and work for a quality company that doesn't underbid to get flying by paying their pilots less and working them more.

Sure it sounds like fun to go fly the CRJ or the ERJ or whatever but after about 4 months you'll realize you should have gone to work for a better company. I promise.

[directenterenter]

Originally Posted by nwa757

Ihavewings and anyone else considering Mesa,
Out of all the regionals in the US, Mesa is the last one you want to work for. Trust me. I hated my time there and now enjoy working for ExpressJet. My life is now literally 3x better. Don't waste your time there. Massive attrition for a reason. Huge lawsuits in Hawaii. Only 8 days off a month. MELs all the time. Poor morale.

Not a place to go fly a jet. Everyone else is hiring. Do something good for this industry and work for a quality company that doesn't underbid to get flying by paying their pilots less and working them more.

Sure it sounds like fun to go fly the CRJ or the ERJ or whatever but after about 4 months you'll realize you should have gone to work for a better company. I promise.

everyone keeps telling me this...but...@ 310TT/145ME, we don't have a ton of choices. I've applied to every airline under the sun, no call backs. Maybe Ill go to Mesa, get the training and pray to the 'sweet lordy jesus that they go under before my enthusiasm is beaten from me by Mesa. Any idea's? One more thing, how long will a airline take getting back to you generally? I stay hopefull for about a month, then I start daydreaming about a nice comfy career in basket-weaving or some other thrilling endeavor. I know there are pilots being picked up with comprable times, what do I need to do here to get noticed...

[Boris Badenov]

what do I need to do here to get noticed...

Is this a joke? I dunno. I guess you could set yourself on fire. Another option might be to get your CFI and build time to the towering heights of mid-triple-digits.

[Bigey]

Originally Posted by directenterenter

everyone keeps telling me this...but...@ 310TT/145ME, we don't have a ton of choices. I've applied to every airline under the sun, no call backs. Maybe Ill go to Mesa, get the training and pray to the 'sweet lordy jesus that they go under before my enthusiasm is beaten from me by Mesa. Any idea's? One more thing, how long will a airline take getting back to you generally? I stay hopefull for about a month, then I start daydreaming about a nice comfy career in basket-weaving or some other thrilling endeavor. I know there are pilots being picked up with comprable times, what do I need to do here to get noticed...

Why dont you have a ton of choices? Why dont you your CFI tickets and instruct some time? If you have a family pay is going up for Flight instructors so i doubt that'll be a concern compared to 1st year FO.

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by Boris Badenov

Is this a joke? I dunno. I guess you could set yourself on fire. Another option might be to get your CFI and build time to the towering heights of mid-triple-digits.

I don't care who you are or how low of time you got - the above is funny as hell. Admit it people!

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by directenterenter

everyone keeps telling me this...but...@ 310TT/145ME, we don't have a ton of choices. I've applied to every airline under the sun, no call backs. Maybe Ill go to Mesa, get the training and pray to the 'sweet lordy jesus that they go under before my enthusiasm is beaten from me by Mesa. Any idea's? One more thing, how long will a airline take getting back to you generally? I stay hopefull for about a month, then I start daydreaming about a nice comfy career in basket-weaving or some other thrilling endeavor. I know there are pilots being picked up with comprable times, what do I need to do here to get noticed...

I just have to echo some of the masses here about this - and I swear I'm not trying to beat you about the head and shoulders with this, but...

There's a difference between applying and getting hired at very low times (and dude, 310TT is LOW), and complaining that no one is hiring you at low times.

If you apply and get hired, fine. That's one argument, but in the end it isn't your fault.

If you complain about it at your ridiculous low experience level, you are to blame and look foolish.

Please friend, take your low times with some humility, learn to aviate, and don't assume a job is owed to you.

[Pistolpak1]

Originally Posted by Ian J

I just have to echo some of the masses here about this - and I swear I'm not trying to beat you about the head and shoulders with this, but...

There's a difference between applying and getting hired at very low times (and dude, 310TT is LOW), and complaining that no one is hiring you at low times.

If you apply and get hired, fine. That's one argument, but in the end it isn't your fault.

If you complain about it at your ridiculous low experience level, you are to blame and look foolish.

Please friend, take your low times with some humility, learn to aviate, and don't assume a job is owed to you.

sounds like pretty sage wisdom

[desertdog71]

I can't believe you are basing your choice on the possibility of having to spend 8 weeks away from home. You have to make sacrifices in life to get where you want. 8 weeks away from home is the least of your worries. 121 training is no joke you better get focused or it may end up being shorter than you want. I'm just being real with you. In the long run I think you would be better off at PDT but that is just my opinion.

[directenterenter]

Originally Posted by Ian J

I just have to echo some of the masses here about this - and I swear I'm not trying to beat you about the head and shoulders with this, but...

There's a difference between applying and getting hired at very low times (and dude, 310TT is LOW), and complaining that no one is hiring you at low times.

If you apply and get hired, fine. That's one argument, but in the end it isn't your fault.

If you complain about it at your ridiculous low experience level, you are to blame and look foolish.

Please friend, take your low times with some humility, learn to aviate, and don't assume a job is owed to you.

ahhh hell, I know I suck at flying, but I really really really hope a level D and a salty ole' instructor will be able to work the kinks out in short order...all I was saying was, do you guys in your all-encompasing knowledge (comparitively) have any idea's why a guy with comprable hours gets calls (was his resume walked-in, how big of an impact on the CP does that have?) I certainly didn't want to sound like I was complaining, Im not...I've got a great gig now, the only fire under my ass is desire (you know, Im a snot-nosed SJS'er) just curious whats the diffenece between flying and aviating (family member has 34yrs at a major, says he's the highest paid 1 finger typist in the world)

[inside0ut]

Originally Posted by directenterenter

ahhh hell, I know I suck at flying, but I really really really hope a level D and a salty ole' instructor will be able to work the kinks out in short order...

Please tell me you forgot to use a sarcasm tag in there.....

Oh and I worked at Mesa, if you go there ill tell you the same thing a few on this board told me....you are nuts.

[directenterenter]

Originally Posted by inside0ut

Please tell me you forgot to use a sarcasm tag in there.....

Oh and I worked at Mesa, if you go there ill tell you the same thing a few on this board told me....you are nuts.

Yes yes, I forgot a sarcasm tag, I'm new at this stuff....uh...here we go, and one of these. I hear that from everyone and don't doubt it a second, but why is it so bad?

[Velocipede]

"I've got 310 hours, but I don't know if I want to be away from home for 8 weeks to get an airline job."

Are you kidding me?