Mesa Airgroup

[ClearedForOption]

Originally Posted by JEP

???? When did you leave the other carrier? Skyway if my memory serves me correct. You don't have to answer, but was there any specific reasons? I don't recall seeing anything about it.

Anyhow, good luck in the new gig....

Hey Jim... It's a long story which I really can't go into details on...

I can say is that COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICALLY and solely in my opinion without referencing any actual persons or events that may or may not have transpired that one must leave a company when one is being made "an example" of by a vindictive member of management. Especially when one is being given a grossly inflated punishment (i.e. a 30 day suspension) for a perceived minor infraction of policy. Especially when this hypothetical suspension is backdated and put in ones employee file without an official investigation, hearing, union representation, and the complete violation of all the policies and procedures outlined in the GOM and the Collective Bargaining Agreement. (both procedurally and the egregious nature of the punishment)

But, remember... it's all hypothetical.

Ask me again in person, without the great CVR in the sky listening and after I've had a few beers and I will tell you the whole story after I don my tin foil hat. It's a doozy.

[ClearedForOption]

Originally Posted by Tuckster

2 months off between ground an FTD ????? WOW, thats a heck of a break !!!! When you say non-rev, thats fly home for free correct ???

Yep... with Mesa you can fly anywhere that USair and any carrier that you sub-contract for (i.e. United or Delta depending on which system you fly in) for free. After a month or so they will give you access to a system to list yourself and immediate family for flights and WHAM, BANG, WHOOSH... you go to the airport and wait for a empty seat. It's a great system. Once you get qualified, you can also jumpseat... over the past few weeks lots of people have written (including myself... although mine was more of a rant about what not to do) primers about how to jumpseat. You'll jumpseat ad non-rev alot if you don't live where you are based.

[directenterenter]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

"I've got 310 hours, but I don't know if I want to be away from home for 8 weeks to get an airline job."

Are you kidding me?

Nope not kidding you...

I was referring to Mesa...I think you misunderstood me, whats so bad about Mesa, I've heard a thousand times "don't do it" and I don't doubt the people telling me this for a second, but humor me, why is it so bad?

[ComplexHiAv8r]

Originally Posted by ClearedForOption

Ask me again in person, without the great CVR in the sky listening and after I've had a few beers and I will tell you the whole story after I don my tin foil hat. It's a doozy.

Damm, think I need to get a beer and ask a few questions myself! Maybe we should use the cone of silence??

[inside0ut]

Originally Posted by directenterenter

Nope not kidding you...

I was referring to Mesa...I think you misunderstood me, whats so bad about Mesa, I've heard a thousand times "don't do it" and I don't doubt the people telling me this for a second, but humor me, why is it so bad?

* days off on reserve, 10 days off with a line(trust me only the top 10% of the seniority list see 11 days off, I can show you some bids...72 lines the first had 12 days, the next 5 had 11 days and the rest were 10...66 lines with nothing but 10 days off) You get JA'ed into your days off and its a fight to get them back, commuting sucks, pay tables are HORRIBLE, credit time is for crap (try sitting in LGA for 4 hours knowing you're getting paid for 1.1 or getting a schedule and seeing that your month is blocked for 85 hours of flying but only worth 78 hours of pay....never understood that one), 50% dead head pay, no min day for reserve, crappy pairings ( I never had a 4 day worth more than 18 hours) continually on reduced rest...ect...I could go on.....

Dude, seriously.....just walk away.....


****also...I think this is the last Im gonna say about Mesa for awhile. With JO deciding to sue everyone, mesahub shutting down, and the Yahoo boards lighting up, I think I will clam up too before I get a letter my own self....sad but true.....***********

[directenterenter]

Originally Posted by inside0ut

* days off on reserve, 10 days off with a line(trust me only the top 10% of the seniority list see 11 days off, I can show you some bids...72 lines the first had 12 days, the next 5 had 11 days and the rest were 10...66 lines with nothing but 10 days off) You get JA'ed into your days off and its a fight to get them back, commuting sucks, pay tables are HORRIBLE, credit time is for crap (try sitting in LGA for 4 hours knowing you're getting paid for 1.1 or getting a schedule and seeing that your month is blocked for 85 hours of flying but only worth 78 hours of pay....never understood that one), 50% dead head pay, no min day for reserve, crappy pairings ( I never had a 4 day worth more than 18 hours) continually on reduced rest...ect...I could go on.....

Dude, seriously.....just walk away.....


****also...I think this is the last Im gonna say about Mesa for awhile. With JO deciding to sue everyone, mesahub shutting down, and the Yahoo boards lighting up, I think I will clam up too before I get a letter my own self....sad but true.....***********

Yep, I'm walking...I appreciate it. Good luck, hopefully LAMA comes sooner rather than later for you guys. It really sucks, I've talked to so many great, hardworking guy's (and met a few) that just get the ##### worked out of them with nothing but disdain from management. Thanks agian, and good luck.

[inside0ut]

Yeah I got out a few months ago, loving RAH. 11 days off on reserve, in my first month I made more on RSV at RAH than I ever did at Mesa with a line. I have never had a reduced rest overnight, and I actually get paid for sitting now....

Instruct for awhile, build some time and have a choice in your future. Don't just go somewhere cause thats the only place you can go. Trust me, there are a ton of people who have been in your shoes - chomping at the bit to make it to an airline. Give it some time, it WILL happen. Just put in alittle time and get some good experience along the way.......

[H46Bubba]

Oh and don't forget that Mesa doesn't pay block time!
Boy I'd sure hate to sit in line at JFK for two hours and not be getting paid to sit there!

[inside0ut]

Or now thats its winter to have to sit in PHL while you wait FOREVER to be de-iced......

[moate1fa]

After the interview with Mesa, how long did it take to hear back one way or the other?

[USMC-SGT]

Originally Posted by moate1fa

After the interview with Mesa, how long did it take to hear back one way or the other?

STOP IT

[ClearedForOption]

Originally Posted by moate1fa

After the interview with Mesa, how long did it take to hear back one way or the other?

Usually one to two days after the interview.

[Tuckster]

Or possibly longer ..... they seem to be pretty backed up. I know trainng is.

[H46Bubba]

How is the recruting department doing? I mean the way you guys tell it, it seems as though Mesa is raking in pilots like crazy!

[CamYZ125]

Originally Posted by USMC-SGT

STOP IT

Because Colgan is that much better.

[Firebird2XC]

Originally Posted by directenterenter

everyone keeps telling me this...but...@ 310TT/145ME, we don't have a ton of choices. I've applied to every airline under the sun, no call backs. Maybe Ill go to Mesa, get the training and pray to the 'sweet lordy jesus that they go under before my enthusiasm is beaten from me by Mesa. Any idea's? One more thing, how long will a airline take getting back to you generally? I stay hopefull for about a month, then I start daydreaming about a nice comfy career in basket-weaving or some other thrilling endeavor. I know there are pilots being picked up with comprable times, what do I need to do here to get noticed...

There are always options. American Eagle is doing things to fill the right seat these days. You might try giving them a call and seeing what they have going on.

Yes, I am just pitching my personal employer, but they're one of the companies out there that I know of that might have something for you.

Yes, AE is up for sale but for the next year or two, tops, we're not going anywhere. They treat us well here. Just a suggestion.

Beyond that- I'm with Ian J- racking up some time as an instructor or elsewhere for experience might not be a bad thing. Once you've tacked on a couple of hundred more hours you'll have more interview options than you can shake a stick at.

[Firebird2XC]

Originally Posted by H46Bubba

Oh and don't forget that Mesa doesn't pay block time!
Boy I'd sure hate to sit in line at JFK for two hours and not be getting paid to sit there!

I couldn't believe that when I read it. How do they seriously keep people in their cockpits pulling those stunts?

[cfii2007]

After the interview with Mesa, how long did it take to hear back one way or the other?


<......He simply asked a question about Mesa..If you don't have a slightly constructive answer, it's best left alone........>

[directenterenter]

Originally Posted by cfii2007

After the interview with Mesa, how long did it take to hear back one way or the other?


<......He simply asked a question about Mesa..If you don't have a slightly constructive answer, it's best left alone........>

amen

[H46Bubba]

I can't stand all these personal attacks againt people asking about Mesa or how want to fly for Mesa. This isn't Flight Info as it shouldn't be. Keep that B.S. over on that sight!

I can attest as an ex-MAG employee, that yeah it's not the place to go, but if you want to go there, after those who have worked for MAG have tried changing your mind, by all means go for it. If you do go to MAG, you better stand up along with the MAG MEC to make it a hell of a lot better than what it is today! It's not a place to "time build" for that SkyWest or Republic interview you've always wanted. Just remember you have been warned on what MAG is like, so don't get shocked once you start flying the line that it wasn't what you'd thought it would be.

[Tuckster]

Originally Posted by directenterenter

everyone keeps telling me this...but...@ 310TT/145ME, we don't have a ton of choices. I've applied to every airline under the sun, no call backs. Maybe Ill go to Mesa, get the training and pray to the 'sweet lordy jesus that they go under before my enthusiasm is beaten from me by Mesa. Any idea's? One more thing, how long will a airline take getting back to you generally? I stay hopefull for about a month, then I start daydreaming about a nice comfy career in basket-weaving or some other thrilling endeavor. I know there are pilots being picked up with comprable times, what do I need to do here to get noticed...

Eagle has a program with ATP where they reimberse you for the RJ course. May want to look into that.

[cfii2007]

Just remember if you go to an airline with training contract, you cannot just jump ship after you obtain a few hundred hours of flight time.

[Boris Badenov]

The people who ignore the warnings will be back in a year whining about how much Mesa sucks, life isn't fair, and <......edited out.......>

Fair enough. Point stands. You've only yourself to blame if you go to Mesa, and you'll get no sympathy from me when you come back hat in hand asking for "solidarity".

[ANG135drvr]

I say run...I was offered an interview and turned it down due to all the things I had found out from hours and hours of reading about Mesa and talking with buddies in the industry. I am sure its worked for somebody, but I would hate to see someone go to Mesa just because (Mesa) so desperate, then get screwed over once they go under in 6 months. Build up some more hours to at least 500 and a bunch more doors will open for you at airlines that are not Mesa. They might not be the best (although it doesn't exist in the regionals) but at least there not Mesa

[Bog]

I cannot believe anyone would want to get a job at MAG when quality places are hiring.

The planes are junk. The company is so mismanaged it's not even funny. The best thing you can do is run as far away as you can as quickly as you can.

Every single buddy of mine who's still there wants out and wants out NOW. Many are ready to walk away with no new job lined up. You cannot find a worse choice in the 121 world.

And before you write me off, I worked there for 7 years. In my first year or two, I also said "It's not that bad." After that, reality set in. It is that bad. Go somewhere else.