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[Ian J]

Originally Posted by KLB

Don't forget freight pilots. OOTSK

Oh, I don't!

Freight pilots tend not to take CRJ courses though...

[kellwolf]

I can see where that might be a bit misleading. I meant I lumped ATP and JetU together, not ATP and GIA.

[S.T.Aviator]

I agree with Kellwolf. GIA is the lowest of the low. Paying for a position where you should be payed. ATP, Pan Am, FSA, JET U etc. are different in that you are paying for sim, ground training. These bridge programs will cost anywhere form $4000-$28,000.
The consensus on this forum seems to be to save your money and be well versed in the basics and you will do just fine. Like someone earlier in this forum had mentioned, the more people that start doing the bridge programs, the less training the regionals will offer the new FO's therefore making it much tougher for the hard working CFI paying his/her dues to make it through the airline training. By standing together and rejecting these costly bridge programs we can ensure the quality and thoroughness of future regional ground schools.

[KLB]

Originally Posted by Ian J

Oh, I don't!

Freight pilots tend not to take CRJ courses though...

I don't know man...I have 99 training coming up and I might need the boost.

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by KLB

I don't know man...I have 99 training coming up and I might need the boost.

Ha!

[kellwolf]

I don't think airlines will start offering less and less training. Keep in mind that all of these programs are FAA approved and have to follow a specific outline. In our ground school, there were things (like the King Schools video on taxiing) that we wanted to skip but couldn't since it would alter the FAA approved program. I just think the gaps that are already in the training in ground school might become more of a glaring problem. Another problem we have is that these programs tend to be marketed towards the "get there fast and will do almost anything to get there" students. To me, this is setting us up for lower wages in the future because of that mentality.

[Bandit_Driver]

Originally Posted by kellwolf

I don't think airlines will start offering less and less training. Keep in mind that all of these programs are FAA approved and have to follow a specific outline. In our ground school, there were things (like the King Schools video on taxiing) that we wanted to skip but couldn't since it would alter the FAA approved program. I just think the gaps that are already in the training in ground school might become more of a glaring problem. Another problem we have is that these programs tend to be marketed towards the "get there fast and will do almost anything to get there" students. To me, this is setting us up for lower wages in the future because of that mentality.

Well said Kell. Especially the last sentence.

[Bandit_Driver]

Originally Posted by Murdoughnut

Isn't any pilot who accepts a job as a regional FO admitting that they're willing to work for peanuts?

Ok, that may have come across wrong. I am sure there are a few qualified guys that go into the regional with their eyes wide open and accept the low starting wage, but I bet they are at one of higher pay regionals and not a bottom feeder. However, I don't believe there is enough of these pilot to keep the regionals staffed. Why do you think the regionals love the JETU type schools. They do some of the training for them, the schools take some of the workload of HR and keep them supplied with a steady stream of kids with SJS. If this stream of cheap labor dried up I bet you see regional payscales increasing.

Or am I way off base here?

[Pilot877]

Originally Posted by GlenWimpy

I have 2300tt with 350 multi over a 20 year span , and am 45 years old I was teaching when most of you were playing with toy planes ............

Are you for real?

[Doug Taylor]

Very. Which is why we have the "Hot Topics" section for topics like this that always seem to go the same direction:

"Help me justify my decision!"

[Pilot877]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Very. Which is why we have the "Hot Topics" section for topics like this that always seem to go the same direction:

"Help me justify my decision!"

Just wonder if that comment is for real, or what he would be like flying with...say, a 29 year old captain on the 757 with twice the flight time? It's really almost a CRM question.

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by GlenWimpy

I have 2300tt with 350 multi over a 20 year span , and am 45 years old I was teaching when most of you were playing with toy planes......

Yeah I know your kind, I had to instruct a few of them when I was working as a CFI. The same kind of guy that refuses to listen to someone half their age during a full ILS approach down to mins when you're head is up your tail and the CFI has to scream at you to get off the controls. All because you're older and have more flight time and you've been a successful business man blahblahblah.

You need to check the "I'm older then you and I've got it figured out" attitude at the door man, because it doesn't work in this career. Plenty of folks have changed careers at ages much older then you because they were humble and not only researched the career, but also listened to advice from those much younger then they.

With your attitude, Captains are going to LOVE flying with you.

Goodluck.

[P&H]

I don't know anything about JetU, but I applied to Pinnacle recently with 650TT, enough ME and Turbine, and they sent me a message (with serious typos and about 15 exclamation marks in one place) saying thanks but we'd like you to have more hours and they recommended I attend JetU or ATP or some jet transition course. I guess they didn't read the part on my resume where I have a part time copilot job on a jet.

Well, I'm not going to JetU, that's for sure.

[Bandit_Driver]

Originally Posted by P&H

Well, I'm not going to JetU, that's for sure.

Your career will thank you. Keep flying and keep applying you will make it.

[Screaming_Emu]

Originally Posted by Pilot877

Just wonder if that comment is for real, or what he would be like flying with...say, a 29 year old captain on the 757 with twice the flight time? It's really almost a CRM question.

Eh, 2300 hours isn't a whole lot when it is spread out over 20 years.

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by Bandit_Driver

Your career will thank you. Keep flying and keep applying you will make it.

Pinnacle didn't offer you an interview? Too bad! You're better off dude...lots of Regionals hiring, be picky. You'll get picked up.

[ComplexHiAv8r]

Originally Posted by P&H

I don't know anything about JetU, but I applied to Pinnacle recently with 650TT, enough ME and Turbine, and they sent me a message (with serious typos and about 15 exclamation marks in one place) saying thanks but we'd like you to have more hours and they recommended I attend JetU or ATP or some jet transition course. I guess they didn't read the part on my resume where I have a part time copilot job on a jet.

Well, I'm not going to JetU, that's for sure.

You need to get the message to an PCL pilot so they can show there union that! PCL now recommending JetU......I wonder if they are getting any kickback???

[Pilot877]

Originally Posted by Screaming_Emu

Eh, 2300 hours isn't a whole lot when it is spread out over 20 years.

Didn't think so, either, unless you are flying fighters.

[GlenWimpy]

Originally Posted by Airdale

Yeah I know your kind, I had to instruct a few of them when I was working as a CFI. The same kind of guy that refuses to listen to someone half their age during a full ILS approach down to mins when you're head is up your tail and the CFI has to scream at you to get off the controls. All because you're older and have more flight time and you've been a successful business man blahblahblah.

You need to check the "I'm older then you and I've got it figured out" attitude at the door man, because it doesn't work in this career. Plenty of folks have changed careers at ages much older then you because they were humble and not only researched the career, but also listened to advice from those much younger then they.

With your attitude, Captains are going to LOVE flying with you.

Goodluck.

The point that I was making was that I did not skip the CFI/cargo route. I was a CFII , and am still current , plus I flew corporate , and I flew cargo. What I was implying was that I'm not a 500 hour 20 year old pilot that had not paid his dues and was trying to skip the CFI learning experience. I learned more about flying while I was teaching students , then in training. A lot of people that I taught are flying for the airlines , some are in wheelchairs and some are dead!

Perhaps you misunderstood what I was implying , its no problem , its difficult to understand everyones intendtions on this board without having a complete conversation in person.

I never said " I ws the older guy and I have if figured out" , you sir said that!

[Pilot877]

Originally Posted by GlenWimpy

The point that I was making was that I did not skip the CFI/cargo route. I was a CFII , and am still current , plus I flew corporate , and I flew cargo. What I was implying was that I'm not a 500 hour 20 year old pilot that had not paid his dues and was trying to skip the CFI learning experience. I learned more about flying while I was teaching students , then in training. A lot of people that I taught are flying for the airlines , some are in wheelchairs and some are dead!

Perhaps you misunderstood what I was implying , its no problem , its difficult to understand everyones intendtions on this board without having a complete conversation in person.

If you are still current, and have "paid your dues", then you really won't need JetU or GIA. You should know what it is, and what it isn't, by now. I tell you this, your experience in GA airplanes isn't going to get you through an airline ground school and out to the line. However, maturity, dedication, discipline, humility, and good study skills are what will get you into the seat. No doubt, after 20 years of surviving general aviation, you have these things. I think you will find it a completely different world from GA, including corporate flying.

I have to disagree with your: 'I never said " I was the older guy and I have it figured out" , you sir said that!' comment, however. You are the one who made the comment about flying while the rest of us were still playing with toy airplanes. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to the sometimes awkward nature of communicating on internet forums, but I found the remark to be arrogant and somewhat amusing.

[zmiller4]

Originally Posted by GlenWimpy

I never said " I ws the older guy and I have if figured out" , you sir said that!

Nah, but when you say...

I have 2300tt with 350 multi over a 20 year span , and am 45 years old I was teaching when most of you were playing with toy planes

...it kind of comes across that way.

Seriously, like a lot of other people have said, you really, really don't need a bogus CRJ "transition" or "standards" (WTF does that even mean?) course. There's probably a dozen people on here who would--if you showed a little humility --within a couple hundred miles of you who have a good chunk of RJ experience that would gladly sit down with you for a couple hours to talk about the RJ, its systems, how they would prepare for an interview and groundschool, etc, for not much more than the cost of a bunch of beer. It would help just as much as dropping $1000's at JetU or ATP at a fraction of the price.

-Zach
CRJ FO (with a little more than 500hrs and a little older than 20yrs old)

[GlenWimpy]

Originally Posted by Pilot877

If you are still current, and have "paid your dues", then you really won't need JetU or GIA. You should know what it is, and what it isn't, by now. I tell you this, your experience in GA airplanes isn't going to get you through an airline ground school and out to the line. However, maturity, dedication, discipline, humility, and good study skills are what will get you into the seat. No doubt, after 20 years of surviving general aviation, you have these things. I think you will find it a completely different world from GA, including corporate flying.

I have to disagree with your: 'I never said " I was the older guy and I have it figured out" , you sir said that!' comment, however. You are the one who made the comment about flying while the rest of us were still playing with toy airplanes. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to the sometimes awkward nature of communicating on internet forums, but I found the remark to be arrogant and somewhat amusing.

Well , I'm not trying to get in a pissing contest , I know what I said , and I explained what I said , if you don't want to except my explanation , then we have to agree to disagree , but I don't like it when someone mis quotes me and takes me out of context. The context of the converstaion was about people "skipping the CFI route". Coming in at the middle of a converstaion , and then making judgements can some times be incorrect. This converstaion is acutally spread out over three diffrent blogs on this forum , so I give you the benefit of the doubt for perhaps not having all the info.

[Kristie]

I'm just real uncomfortable going from an older Seneca to all this new stuff. I want to go into company training as prepared as possible.

Why? figure the learning lessons that the older Seneca gives you compared to the new glass cockpit planes? being able to understand the controls no matter the type of cockpit or plane is really what gives you the best training possible. Heck, you don't need to train in the latest/greatest technology or plane.. you just need one that flies so you can understand the concepts of the instruments and knowing both analog and digital is a benefit to being the "best trained".

[GlenWimpy]

Originally Posted by Kristie

Why? figure the learning lessons that the older Seneca gives you compared to the new glass cockpit planes? being able to understand the controls no matter the type of cockpit or plane is really what gives you the best training possible. Heck, you don't need to train in the latest/greatest technology or plane.. you just need one that flies so you can understand the concepts of the instruments and knowing both analog and digital is a benefit to being the "best trained".

Neither one of those quotes were made by me ...................This is were misunderstands begin , I stated the JetU question , others have made comments , lol , and there getting attributed to me , lol

[Pilot877]

Originally Posted by GlenWimpy

.......I don't like it when someone mis quotes me and takes me out of context. The context of the converstaion was about people "skipping the CFI route". Coming in at the middle of a converstaion , and then making judgements can some times be incorrect. This converstaion is acutally spread out over three diffrent blogs on this forum , so I give you the benefit of the doubt for perhaps not having all the info.

I believe I quoted you, word for word, except for correcting your spelling errors. "Judgements" made were regarding the silly comment you made on this thread. I can see that giving you the benefit of the doubt was, obviously, my mistake. I do sincerely apologize for that. By all means, do attend JetUniversity and let us know how it works out for you.