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[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

I was earlier this morning...

Right now I'm at AA Gate 37 in SAT... trying to get on the FLT 1072 home to DFW... 30 standby's and 2 AA pilots/jumpseaters in the wings... not looking good since the MD80 only has 1 JS.

Well... there's always the 7:10am, 8:00am, 9:10am, 10:00am, etc...

Scheduling called me last night while in Tuscon... made me a deal I couldn't refuse. Fly the SMF flight back to SAT (They were missing an FO) last night and get the add-pay for the flight in addition to the rest of my 4-day dropped and pay protected...

2 extra days off... Not a bad gig...

Bob

My home town!

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

I'd chime in, but I have a feeling it'll run onto 10+ pages like it has every other time.

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

If someone wants specific info, PM me.

[Screaming_Emu]

What everyone on here thinks about Jet U shouldn't directly factor into your decision. What really matters is that if there are so many people on here who think it is hurting the industry, then there are probably many other people out in the industry who feel the same way. Don't be so short sided in your approach to your career. Going to Jet U for a CRJ transition course may help you get a job with Pinnacle, but further down the road having Jet U on your resume could lead to somebody throwing your resume away for that very reason.

Also, it takes a tremendous amount of arrogance to tell a board filled with professionals in the field you wish to enter that they don't have a clue what they are talking about.

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Screaming_Emu

What everyone on here thinks about Jet U shouldn't directly factor into your decision. What really matters is that if there are so many people on here who think it is hurting the industry, then there are probably many other people out in the industry who feel the same way. Don't be so short sided in your approach to your career. Going to Jet U for a CRJ transition course may help you get a job with Pinnacle, but further down the road having Jet U on your resume could lead to somebody throwing your resume away for that very reason.

Jet U isn't PFT like Gulfstream Academy is. Not to defend Gulfstream pilots and their decisions, but the facts remain that there are plenty of Gulfstream Academy grads who stay with Gulfstream, then get hired by regionals and majors like Airtran and Continental.

Also, it takes a tremendous amount of arrogance to tell a board filled with professionals in the field you wish to enter that they don't have a clue what they are talking about.

Don't EVER do that! Doesn't matter if you're a CFI off the street new-hire at a regional, or a low time CRJ transition course new-hire. Don't tell off people!

Be humble, leave the ego at home, be willing to learn, be positive, and help other people.

[tprops4me]

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

I guess my question (and I've posed this before) is WHY do you feel you need the extra training. You seem to have this idea that ground school is just a guy standing in front of the room looking for somebody to wash out and a line of alternates standing at the door waiting to take their place. It ain't like that. Yes, it is a lot of information at once. The drinking from the fire hose is an apt description. However, if you don't feel like you can make it (with out JetU/ATP/RAA/CAE prep) then you may want to consider a different career. What are you going to do when it comes time to upgrade? JetU doesn't offer a captain's class. What are you going to do when you switch equipment types? The nature of this job is that you need to be able to assimilate information very quickly. There seems to be a lot of people who want to "lighten their work load" during initial so a) they don't wash out and b) it's not so hard. Paying 6K just to make life easier in initial isn't going to help down the road when you have to do the same thing over again. Either you can do it or you can't. I would hazard a guess that you (and most other people) can, but the places that had the same slick advertising talking about how seniority is everything are now using that advertising to terrify newbies into thinking that ground school is a scary thing and if you don't get the extra prep you will fail and never work for an airline again. That my friend is a bunch of BS.

You know that is the best way I have read yet on why not to do these advanced crj classes. Thanks BobDDuck for that explanation. Makes perfect sense to me.

[Hernandezcfi]

JetU is located in my backyard. I had a careerminded student that I started Private Pilot training at my school. A good student, always came prepared and always preffered the schools older equipment for the lower price which is great! Who needs a G-1000 for private pilot training anyway right!? Anyway, three weeks into his 141 training he calls in and tells me he needs his school records for JetU so he can join up with them. I thought he might be unsatisfied with me or the school I work for but he was very clear that he was very satisfied with me and the school but JetU "Guaranteed" him an airline job. He even said he wished I would go with him and keep me as an instructor. I was tempted to talk him out of it but I just told him good luck and hope it works out. I almost feel sorry for the guy because he is getting a huge loan to take him from almost zero to hero. If he does get the job when he is done, he will have no practical experience. The captains probably feel like babysitters! You have to give JetU props for coming up with a clever way of getting peoples money. I won't be suprised if they make themselves a nice infommercial to attract more suckers..uh...I mean students. It can come on at 1am after the Make you a millionaire in a minute by selling soap on a rope infommercial.

[DE727UPS]

"I won't be suprised if they make themselves a nice infommercial to attract more suckers..uh...I mean students."

Since PCL has "preferred interviews at Delta" now, I'm sure you'll soon be seeing mention of "direct track to a major" at the JetU marketing.

[Kristie]

Originally Posted by GlenWimpy

This is the year 2007 , its not the 80's anymore. I see no problem with paying for training. As far as skipping the CFI route , I have more time in the right seat teaching then I do in the left seat. As far as an interview , I can get an interview with Pinacle in two weeks , I dont need Jetu or Atp. to get an interview. The interview is the easy part , its the ground school and sim , 50 % washout , and there are plenty of people waiting to take your place , the airlines figure this into the process. I just want some advance study and some CRJ sim time. Not everyone is an A+ student and a whiz at math , some of us just want some traning without so much pressure from the firehose method and a guy standing there with a hand full of pink slips and a pocket full of pens! Flight school and training has alot to do with what you personally make of it , even when your doing your private. I'm just looking for some advance training and some sim time before i go to the company flight school.

I understand both sides and both points of view , but some of you airline guys need to take a nap or go play some golf , go to the beach , try to get some time off , to many Jet A fumes will make you crazy !!!!!!!!!

why did you even ask then? don't want to hear what people have to say then don't ask...expecting to hear what you *want* to hear? that's not how this place works...

[Doug Taylor]

Glenn Wimpy, by all means, if you're asking our opinion, that's exactly what you're going to receive. But whenever you ask an opinion, always be ready for an answer that may not be consistent with your preconceptions.

Best of luck with whatever decision you make. I certainly wouldn't touch that program with a ten foot pole, but hell, what do I know?

And I'm still trying to get to the bottom of the 'preferred interviews at Delta' as most of the people "in the know" that I've talked to don't know where Pinnacle got this from.

[Kristie]

yea.. i thought it was ASA that had preferential interviews?

[GlenWimpy]

Well , actually I was wanting to know about the school , from people whom have been , or are in the school. That was what I was asking , but I have learned alot from what the school tells me verses what people on the board tell me.

I have plenty of time , I just want some CRJ sim time and some advace study on the systems , LOL , thats all I'm really interested in ............. I'm not a 275 hour comm/cfi looking to fly a 787 , I have 2300tt with 350 multi over a 20 year span , and am 45 years old I was teaching when most of you were playing with toy planes , I think George Washington was one of my first students! He borrowed a plane from the wright brothers to take lessons.

seriously , all I wanted to know about was from some students ............

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by Kristie

yea.. i thought it was ASA that had preferential interviews?

I believe that that is on the super unofficial tip, for ASA accomadating DL pilots on furlough!

But, I hear that alot of DL ground schools classes are chock full of ex ASA pilots!

[DE727UPS]

"and am 45 years old I was teaching when most of you were playing with toy planes"

Hey, I'm 46.

Anyhow, with the kind of times you have you shouldn't have any trouble getting through the class. Unless you just flat out don't belong in the biz in the first place.

I don't believe anyone at this forum, or APC for that matter, has done the JetU thing. At least, they won't admit it. Cherokee will be the first one and then you can ask him.

[kellwolf]

Okay, here's my take. I don't put JetU in the same boat as GIA since you're not buying a job off a guy who should be paid for it. Sorry, Bob. I DO put ATP in with them. Yeah, the simple semantics of ATP guaranteeing you an "interview" instead of a "job," but their marketing of "look how many of our graduates have been hired at XXX" sure capitalizes on it. They both offer, IMO, a wasteful CRJ groundschool. I'm sure if ATP could get the $$$ to do so, they'd consider buying a CRJ sim and selling that as part of the program, too. Why? 'Cause they could make money doing it. Like it or not, ATP is a business, and they've lost a LOT of credibility with me in recent years. And before anyone says anything, if Skymates started pulling the "look how many people have been hired through our bridge program" marketing, I'd be disappointed with them as well.

Now, for the PCL ground school stuff. Believe it or not, JetU guys have flunked out at PCL. Where do they go after that? Well, the rumor I've heard is JetU gets them FO positions at Gulfstream. The guys that do make it to the line (according to some CA's I've talked to) are shaky at best. Many will simply just nod and so okay with whatever the CA does b/c they're just flat out overwhelmed. It's normal to be somewhat overwhelmed at your first airline, but not being able to copy IFR clearances or even talk on the radio is a bit much. Another issue is the sims do something well: prepare you for an emergency situation. Something the sims don't do at all: prepare you for NORMAL operations. These are the things you've done every day as a pilot. If you do something like JetU, you've RARELY done these things, and you've probably never done them alone.

Lastly, anyone that thinks they need to pay extra money for a pre-ground school ground school needs to ask themselves "Am I ready to be at an airline?" If you need to essentially pay money for a six week "gouge" on the same ground school you're gonna get, my answer is "no." It would be like going with the same DE for practice, then doing the same checkride the next day for real. Plenty of guys make it through ground school here WITHOUTH these programs. Why make the guys that own them even fatter on cash that you don't need to spend?

If you feel like you still need it. Don't make them fat on cash....give it to me. I'll teach it.

[Captain_Bob]

Originally Posted by kellwolf

Okay, here's my take. I don't put JetU in the same boat as GIA since you're not buying a job off a guy who should be paid for it. Sorry, Bob. I DO put ATP in with them. Yeah, the simple semantics of ATP guaranteeing you an "interview" instead of a "job," but their marketing of "look how many of our graduates have been hired at XXX" sure capitalizes on it. They both offer, IMO, a wasteful CRJ groundschool. I'm sure if ATP could get the $$$ to do so, they'd consider buying a CRJ sim and selling that as part of the program, too. Why? 'Cause they could make money doing it. Like it or not, ATP is a business, and they've lost a LOT of credibility with me in recent years. And before anyone says anything, if Skymates started pulling the "look how many people have been hired through our bridge program" marketing, I'd be disappointed with them as well.

No need to apologize for your opinion... I understand where you're coming from.

I just fail to see how a company (any company) that creates an effective training program, and markets it successfully, that allows a person a good advantage to get hired without physically taking a "job" away from another person can be considered PFJ.

Yep... people who go to ATP, DCA, PanAM, SkyMates, JetU, FSI, Mom's FBO, etc... do fail out of ground school. It happens. Some people paid $35k in flight training and "dues" for the opportunity to wash out... others paid $100k. Can you fault the people who took extra training to prepare themselves knowing that fact?

All those different training environments are in the business of taking students money in the hopes that those students eventually go on to meet their goals.

I learn differently from you... you learn differently from GlenWiimpy... he learns differntly from Max_Jenius... etc. Each person deserves the right to decide what training program to do that they feel will give them the best opportunity to get an interview and be successful in that company.

Simply telling GlenWimpy that he shouldn't do a certain program because "you" and others made it through with no problems is not a direction I think this board needs to take. Especially after he's given us some insight into his training/learning style and his desire to become a little bit proficient at something before he ventures into it.

After all... in the same post you are telling him that folks who went through a CRJ course STILL washed out... wouldn't you think that is even MORE of an incentive for someone to come to training prepared... since I'm thinking that those same individuals would have washed out regardless?

I kind of look at folks who persue a CRJ course like folks who pay to take SAT or MCAT prep courses... these courses show you what to "expect", and give you tips on how to effectively study and prepare so that you can be successful in your next step.

I think it boils down to the person doing what he/she feels is best for themselves without actually persuing an avenue of "paying for a seat" that a company would normally have to have a benefits earning pilot in.

Bob

[Screaming_Emu]

Originally Posted by Cherokee_Cruiser

Don't EVER do that! Doesn't matter if you're a CFI off the street new-hire at a regional, or a low time CRJ transition course new-hire. Don't tell off people!

Be humble, leave the ego at home, be willing to learn, be positive, and help other people.

I think that came across harsher than I intended it to be. I still hold true that you gotta be pretty damn stubborn to tell a bunch of people who are experts in their given field that they are wrong...but whatever.

[jtrain609]

Originally Posted by Cherokee_Cruiser

Be humble, leave the ego at home, be willing to learn, be positive, and help other people.

Ahh......

[GlenWimpy]

Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

No need to apologize for your opinion... I understand where you're coming from.

I just fail to see how a company (any company) that creates an effective training program, and markets it successfully, that allows a person a good advantage to get hired without physically taking a "job" away from another person can be considered PFJ.

Yep... people who go to ATP, DCA, PanAM, SkyMates, JetU, FSI, Mom's FBO, etc... do fail out of ground school. It happens. Some people paid $35k in flight training and "dues" for the opportunity to wash out... others paid $100k. Can you fault the people who took extra training to prepare themselves knowing that fact?

All those different training environments are in the business of taking students money in the hopes that those students eventually go on to meet their goals.

I learn differently from you... you learn differently from GlenWiimpy... he learns differntly from Max_Jenius... etc. Each person deserves the right to decide what training program to do that they feel will give them the best opportunity to get an interview and be successful in that company.

Simply telling GlenWimpy that he shouldn't do a certain program because "you" and others made it through with no problems is not a direction I think this board needs to take. Especially after he's given us some insight into his training/learning style and his desire to become a little bit proficient at something before he ventures into it.

After all... in the same post you are telling him that folks who went through a CRJ course STILL washed out... wouldn't you think that is even MORE of an incentive for someone to come to training prepared... since I'm thinking that those same individuals would have washed out regardless?

I kind of look at folks who persue a CRJ course like folks who pay to take SAT or MCAT prep courses... these courses show you what to "expect", and give you tips on how to effectively study and prepare so that you can be successful in your next step.

I think it boils down to the person doing what he/she feels is best for themselves without actually persuing an avenue of "paying for a seat" that a company would normally have to have a benefits earning pilot in.

Bob

Capt. Bob This is your punishment for saying any thing positive about a CRJ program:

1 no more jumpseat
2 you must wear a scarlet letter beside your stripes
3 your 4 stripes will now be pink
4 you will be placed on a blackball list
5 you will hold 30 mins before ANY landing
6 All ground controllers will place you in a 10 minute penalty box
7 no more box lunches
8 you will have rotten tomatoes and eggs thrown at you on your b day
9 you will be Hillary Clintons pilot should she be president


Do you understand this punishment !?

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by GlenWimpy

Capt. Bob This is your punishment for saying any thing positive about a CRJ program:

1 no more jumpseat
2 you must wear a scarlet letter beside your stripes
3 your 4 stripes will now be pink
4 you will be placed on a blackball list
5 you will hold 30 mins before ANY landing
6 All ground controllers will place you in a 10 minute penalty box
7 no more box lunches
8 you will have rotten tomatoes and eggs thrown at you on your b day
9 you will be Hillary Clintons pilot should she be president


Do you understand this punishment !?

Okay, I get what you're trying to say. But isn't it all rather sophomoric to come on here and ask a question, then mock others with a desenting opinion?

[Cruise]

Originally Posted by GlenWimpy

Capt. Bob This is your punishment for saying any thing positive about a CRJ program:

1 no more jumpseat
2 you must wear a scarlet letter beside your stripes
3 your 4 stripes will now be pink
4 you will be placed on a blackball list
5 you will hold 30 mins before ANY landing
6 All ground controllers will place you in a 10 minute penalty box
7 no more box lunches
8 you will have rotten tomatoes and eggs thrown at you on your b day
9 you will be Hillary Clintons pilot should she be president


Do you understand this punishment !?

Ugghhh.....I hope you missed the in your post.

I'd be willing to bet few on here will slam Bob for his post....he is simply explaining his point of view. Unlike you, he didn't negate the opinions of others since it wasn't what he wanted to hear.

All this aside, good luck on your RJ training.....

[Bandit_Driver]

Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

I just fail to see how a company (any company) that creates an effective training program, and markets it successfully, that allows a person a good advantage to get hired without physically taking a "job" away from another person can be considered PFJ.
Bob

Bob, I am dead set again JetU and those type of schools for a lot of reasons already posted here.

I do disagree with your statement above. IMO the same pilots that take shortcuts in their careers are the same pilots willing to work for peanuts. This denies a qualified pilot a job because many of us will not work for extremely low wages. If the regionals cannot get enough pilots they will be forced to increase wages, QOL, etc to attract pilots.

[Bandit_Driver]

Originally Posted by Kristie

why did you even ask then? don't want to hear what people have to say then don't ask...expecting to hear what you *want* to hear? that's not how this place works...

Well said Kristie.

[Doug Taylor]

Well, it's probably another one of those situations where someone asks a question, but instead of wanting an answer, they want to justify how they already feel.

Like:

"Hey does this skirt make my butt look big?"

She's not really expecting an honest answer, she just wants you to say "no!"

Which is why we have the "Hot Topics" section for the 'repeatables'. Items that come up time and time again so we can kind of go "UGG" and point.