Think Gulfstream's Bad?

Cherokee_Cruiser · March 27th, 2006, 18:18

Get a load of this:

http://www.jetuniversity.com/

They've updated their website !

Fly the Boeing 727 as a Paid Airline Pilot within 10 Months.
The Professional Airline Pilot Program combines the Commercial Pilot Training Course and the Jet First Officer Training Course into one program.

The actual number of weeks required to complete each course vary depending on the individual student’s training schedule and progress based on the student’s proficiency.

Jet University provides the only First Officer Part 121 Jet Internship Program, including a 6-month minimum flying contract with a Part 121 Boeing 727 carrier. In 6 months, you will earn $30/flight hour which is more than twice the normal Regional Airline pay.

During the 6 months contract, you will fly the Boeing 727 into most of the busiest airports in the US, as well as experiencing international flying into Canada, Mexico, Central and South America. Our airline internships represent a unique opportunity for the low time pilot to acquire real Part 121 experience and Boeing 727 Jet Aircraft time.

If you haven’t started flying yet, Course 100 is the prerequisite to all the other courses. If you already have your Commercial and Instrument Certificates with Multi-engine rating, you can start with either Course 200 or 500. If you have either 1,500 hours Total Time (including 250 hours multi-engine piston) or 500 hours Total Time with 250 hours of turboprop, you can start with either Course 400 or 401.

Course 100: Commercial Pilot Program
Course 200: Jet First Officer Program
Course 300: Fast Track Airline Pilot Program (Course 100 & 200)
Course 400: Jet Second in Command Program (250 flight hours)
Course 401: Jet Second in Command Program (500 flight hours)
Course 500: Jet Flight Engineer Program

************************************************** *****

The real question is, how much are they charging? I couldn't find a single price $ number on their website.

Gulfstream charges $30k for their program, and that's for a Beech 1900.

These people are probably gonna charge $50k+ and the sad thing is, they probably already have a huge line formed...

Anyone know what Part 121 B727 airline they fly for ? Which airline has "agreed" to this ?

If you thought Gulfstream was bad, this has gotta be worse!

Ralgha · March 27th, 2006, 18:24

Seems like they've bought themselves new phone numbers, but in the latest issue of Flying, they had the same phone numbers as Gulfstream. Same scumbag outfit.

Ralgha · March 27th, 2006, 18:25

HOLY CRAP they charge $23,000 for an ERJ type rating. You should get 5 type ratings for that cost.

EDUC8-or · March 27th, 2006, 18:56

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Originally Posted by Ralgha

HOLY CRAP they charge $23,000 for an ERJ type rating. You should get 5 type ratings for that cost.

No, you should get PAID to get a type rating. Isn't that how most reputable companies work?

Cherokee_Cruiser · March 27th, 2006, 18:57

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Originally Posted by EDUC8-or

No, you should get PAID to get a type rating. Isn't that how most reputable companies work?

Not at Southwest.

BCTAv8r · March 27th, 2006, 18:59

I think paying for a type rating is justifiable, unlike paying for a job. Isn't buying a type-rating just like paying for your other licenses?

EatSleepFly · March 27th, 2006, 19:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherokee_Cruiser

Not at Southwest.

You don't have to buy a type to work at Soutwest, you just have to have one.

Alchemy · March 27th, 2006, 19:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCTAv8r

I think paying for a type rating is justifiable, unlike paying for a job. Isn't buying a type-rating just like paying for your other licenses?

To me, no, because it's specific training that is geared toward a select employer, unlike the Commercial or ATP which you need for a job anywhere, and could be used for just about any job in aviation. Granted a 737 type is pretty useful since almost every major airline and discounter in the country uses them, but beyond that, I can't see a justification to pay for a type rating. IMO, it's still a pretty crappy thing for a company to require you to have prior to employment.

SmitteyB · March 27th, 2006, 19:16

"Isn't buying a type-rating just like paying for your other licenses?"

Good point.

EatSleepFly · March 27th, 2006, 19:29

I would buy a type if I had time in numerous different turbine/jet aircraft, a few types already (paid for by someone else), and was doing contract work.

Aside from that, a type with no time in type (or similar types to meet insurance mins), is probably not very useful.

Just my $.02

Cherokee_Cruiser · March 27th, 2006, 19:39

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Originally Posted by SmitteyB

"Isn't buying a type-rating just like paying for your other licenses?"

Good point.

Look at it this way. ANY other major airline will pay you and pay for your type rating once you get hired.

If you already have a 737 type rating from your previous employer, then that's ok.

But if you interview without one, and get hired, one of your conditions of employment is that you MUST obtain a 737 type rating within 6 months on your own dime.

No other major airline with similar equipment does what SWA does.

SWA knows it can continue doing this, since there is a HUGE line of pilots lined up for slots at Southwest, and they're willing to pay for their own type rating.

Gonzo · March 27th, 2006, 20:49

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Originally Posted by Cherokee_Cruiser

Anyone know what Part 121 B727 airline they fly for ? Which airline has "agreed" to this ?

CAT=Custom Air Transport is the airline.

Kristie · March 27th, 2006, 21:30

isn't that cargo/freight????'

anyone call to find out the cost yet? feel free to do some "secret shopping"

Kingairer · March 27th, 2006, 21:46

how cool is this! Im a senior at Jet Univeristy! Has quite a ring...Im the debate club there, and captain of the Jet Univeristy football team.

mastermags · March 27th, 2006, 22:06

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Originally Posted by Kingairer

how cool is this! Im a senior at Jet Univeristy! Has quite a ring...Im the debate club there, and captain of the Jet Univeristy football team.

You drive your own car... You're popular!

ComplexHiAv8r · March 27th, 2006, 22:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kristie

isn't that cargo/freight????'

anyone call to find out the cost yet? feel free to do some "secret shopping"

I emailed and got a Blackberry response from the Director of Admissions. They are going to give me the run down tomorrow......I'll be flying a 727 before long!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gonzo · March 27th, 2006, 22:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kristie

isn't that cargo/freight????'

anyone call to find out the cost yet? feel free to do some "secret shopping"

33K

caliginousface · March 27th, 2006, 22:17

i can't help but think that these type of programs are going to start becoming the leading method of getting into the big jets. well, if not big jets, jets none the less.

DE727UPS · March 27th, 2006, 23:13

"but in the latest issue of Flying, they had the same phone numbers as Gulfstream"

You gotta be kidding me....

I was afraid this Gulfstream crap was going to flow uphill. This is not a good thing...

DE727UPS · March 27th, 2006, 23:17

I need verification that it's Custom Air Transport. As many details as possible. I'd like to bring this up at our union message board and see the reaction. Oh man, this could get interesting.

dcapilot · March 27th, 2006, 23:22

$30/flight hour is more than twice the normal Regional Airline pay?????????

Um, don't think so...

Cherokee_Cruiser · March 27th, 2006, 23:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo

33K

WHAT?!?!?! Is this for the 250 hr B727 F/O program ?!?!

If it is, who's going to do the 250 hr Beech 1900 program for 30k, when you can pay 3k more and fly a 727 !!!!!!

Look out Gulfstream !

Kristie · March 27th, 2006, 23:30

ya.. something's wrong with that figure!! need to add at least another 30-40K on top of that or something!!

Cherokee_Cruiser · March 27th, 2006, 23:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

I need verification that it's Custom Air Transport. As many details as possible. I'd like to bring this up at our union message board and see the reaction. Oh man, this could get interesting.

Don't do anything until you have a 100% confirmation that it indeed is CAT that is facilitating this program.

Gonzo · March 27th, 2006, 23:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

I need verification that it's Custom Air Transport. As many details as possible. I'd like to bring this up at our union message board and see the reaction. Oh man, this could get interesting.

Here you go Don: http://www.simcenter.cc/flight_internship.php and http://www.simcenter-carolina.com/B727fo.htm They fly for you guys.

March 27th, 2006, 18:18	#1
Cherokee_Cruiser Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,419	Think Gulfstream's Bad? Get a load of this: http://www.jetuniversity.com/ They've updated their website ! Fly the Boeing 727 as a Paid Airline Pilot within 10 Months. The Professional Airline Pilot Program combines the Commercial Pilot Training Course and the Jet First Officer Training Course into one program. The actual number of weeks required to complete each course vary depending on the individual student’s training schedule and progress based on the student’s proficiency. Jet University provides the only First Officer Part 121 Jet Internship Program, including a 6-month minimum flying contract with a Part 121 Boeing 727 carrier. In 6 months, you will earn $30/flight hour which is more than twice the normal Regional Airline pay. During the 6 months contract, you will fly the Boeing 727 into most of the busiest airports in the US, as well as experiencing international flying into Canada, Mexico, Central and South America. Our airline internships represent a unique opportunity for the low time pilot to acquire real Part 121 experience and Boeing 727 Jet Aircraft time. If you haven’t started flying yet, Course 100 is the prerequisite to all the other courses. If you already have your Commercial and Instrument Certificates with Multi-engine rating, you can start with either Course 200 or 500. If you have either 1,500 hours Total Time (including 250 hours multi-engine piston) or 500 hours Total Time with 250 hours of turboprop, you can start with either Course 400 or 401. Course 100: Commercial Pilot Program Course 200: Jet First Officer Program Course 300: Fast Track Airline Pilot Program (Course 100 & 200) Course 400: Jet Second in Command Program (250 flight hours) Course 401: Jet Second in Command Program (500 flight hours) Course 500: Jet Flight Engineer Program ************************************************ *** The real question is, how much are they charging? I couldn't find a single price $ number on their website. Gulfstream charges $30k for their program, and that's for a Beech 1900. These people are probably gonna charge $50k+ and the sad thing is, they probably already have a huge line formed... Anyone know what Part 121 B727 airline they fly for ? Which airline has "agreed" to this ? If you thought Gulfstream was bad, this has gotta be worse!

March 27th, 2006, 18:24	#2
Ralgha Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 892	Seems like they've bought themselves new phone numbers, but in the latest issue of Flying, they had the same phone numbers as Gulfstream. Same scumbag outfit. __________________ 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

March 27th, 2006, 18:25	#3
Ralgha Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 892	HOLY CRAP they charge $23,000 for an ERJ type rating. You should get 5 type ratings for that cost. __________________ 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

March 27th, 2006, 19:16	#9
SmitteyB Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,942	"Isn't buying a type-rating just like paying for your other licenses?" Good point. __________________ Colgan SAAB FO "Colgan Air...Pissing off the world 34 people at a time"

March 27th, 2006, 21:30	#13
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 17,682 Blog Entries: 3	isn't that cargo/freight????' anyone call to find out the cost yet? feel free to do some "secret shopping" __________________ Wife of a Delta B767 ER F/O jetgirls.net

March 27th, 2006, 18:59	#6
BCTAv8r Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boca Raton Posts: 6,057	I think paying for a type rating is justifiable, unlike paying for a job. Isn't buying a type-rating just like paying for your other licenses?

March 27th, 2006, 19:29	#10
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	I would buy a type if I had time in numerous different turbine/jet aircraft, a few types already (paid for by someone else), and was doing contract work. Aside from that, a type with no time in type (or similar types to meet insurance mins), is probably not very useful. Just my $.02

March 27th, 2006, 21:46	#14
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,166	how cool is this! Im a senior at Jet Univeristy! Has quite a ring...Im the debate club there, and captain of the Jet Univeristy football team. __________________ "I do not proofread"

March 27th, 2006, 22:17	#18
caliginousface Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: san jose, ca Posts: 2,025	i can't help but think that these type of programs are going to start becoming the leading method of getting into the big jets. well, if not big jets, jets none the less. __________________

March 27th, 2006, 23:13	#19
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,481	"but in the latest issue of Flying, they had the same phone numbers as Gulfstream" You gotta be kidding me.... I was afraid this Gulfstream crap was going to flow uphill. This is not a good thing...

March 27th, 2006, 23:17	#20
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,481	I need verification that it's Custom Air Transport. As many details as possible. I'd like to bring this up at our union message board and see the reaction. Oh man, this could get interesting.

March 27th, 2006, 23:22	#21
dcapilot Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 34	$30/flight hour is more than twice the normal Regional Airline pay????????? Um, don't think so...

March 27th, 2006, 23:30	#23
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 17,682 Blog Entries: 3	ya.. something's wrong with that figure!! need to add at least another 30-40K on top of that or something!! __________________ Wife of a Delta B767 ER F/O jetgirls.net

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