Regionals accepting KA sic time.

[Kenny C.]

Does anyone know if the regional's will accept sic time in a King Air towards total time to get hired. Even if the operations manual requires two pilots?

[Seggy]

Sure!

Just be able to describe the landing gear system, bleed air system, fuel system, engines, environmental system, electrical system, anti-ice system, avionics, propellors, or any other limitation of the aircraft including all weights. If you can't then they will see you were just a gear and flap operator.

[DE727UPS]

If it's legal time, it's legal time. I mean, Gulfstream guys get hired at Pinnacle all the time. Not all regionals are the same. Some are picky about these things, others aren't. If you are paying to sit in the seat and log the time, it becomes more of a morality issue than a legal one. Are you a required crewmember? Could the plane go without you? If the answers to those questions are respectively No, and Yes, then I have no problem with the morality of the time. You gotta figure out if it's legal, though. After all that, I'm sure Pinnacle has no problem taking guys with King Air SIC time.

[Doug Taylor]

Legal flight time is legal flight time. Second-in-command time does, in fact, count as total time.

Now, a hint of caution. If you have 500 hours of second-in-command time and can't answer a basic question like "Talk me through the engine start cycle and tell me what you're looking for as the engines spool up", they're going to think you're a fraud.

[meritflyer]

If it is not type certificated for 2 pilots and you log SIC time I know of several regionals that dont count it as flight time unless you are extremely familiar with the aircraft systems, can explain them, and it was in conjunction with a job.

[Doug Taylor]

Kinda.

The Beech 1900 is a single-pilot certified aircraft.

My type rating says "Beech 1900 - SIC required" because Skyway wouldn't perform the single pilot checkride... Or something like that. B767Driver would have more information.

[meritflyer]

Makes sense. I know that recently a guy interviewing at XJT got grilled and basically laughed out the door claiming to have a bunch of KA 90 time.

[Doug Taylor]

If you've got substantial time in a turbine aircraft, you could easily talk someone through the start sequence, which is always why I use that as an example!

[Seggy]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Kinda.

The Beech 1900 is a single-pilot certified aircraft.

My type rating says "Beech 1900 - SIC required" because Skyway wouldn't perform the single pilot checkride... Or something like that. B767Driver would have more information.

Yep on the single pilot type ride there is no NFP. We have a guy at our placed typed like that.


Did you guys have GPS at Skyway? How old were your planes when you were there? It is funny to see some of the cycles on these planes, a few have 35,000 on em.

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by Seggy

Did you guys have GPS at Skyway? How old were your planes when you were there? It is funny to see some of the cycles on these planes, a few have 35,000 on em.

Nope, no GPS, no autopilot, no anti-skid.

Factory fresh at the time we got them.

[Seggy]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Nope, no GPS, no autopilot, no anti-skid.

Factory fresh at the time we got them.

Yep same here except ours have quite a few more cycles on em

[B767Driver]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Kinda.

The Beech 1900 is a single-pilot certified aircraft.

My type rating says "Beech 1900 - SIC required" because Skyway wouldn't perform the single pilot checkride... Or something like that. B767Driver would have more information.

The 'old timers' used to get the single pilot type. The training program wasn't much back in the day...commuters were Part 135...and the training was basically to go out fly some approaches and when the check pilot felt the applicant was ready...administer the type ride.

'One level of safety' came along...all commuters certified as Part 121 carriers...(for all who were flying commuters at that time...it was an interesting transition)...the training program actually had a syllabus that required the F/O to participate in formal procedures...and that negated Captain applicants the option of an unrestricted type. It was probably a good idea...because for most applicants it was their first type rating...a very stressful rating ride with all of the Part 121 stuff thrown in it...and the success rate was much higher with an SIC participating. For the unrestricted type...the check pilot could do absolutely nothing for the applicant.

An interesting topic...the newer instructors and checkpilots still has the restricted type rating. Most instruction was done in the airplane...so an instructor would fly with new hires that had not yet passed the F/O proficiency check...so there was some question as to whether the new hire was a qualified SIC. Since training was Part 91...any warm body counted as a legal SIC and the flying was deemed legal even though the instructor had the restricted type. So here's an example where a pilot could log SIC time in a single pilot type certificated airplane under Part 91...the captain's restriction would necessitate an F/O.

I think the J31 was the same as the BE1900...it always makes for an interesting conversation everytime you get a new type rating or a proficiency check pilot looks at your certificates every time you take a recurrent checkride.

[aloft]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Legal flight time is legal flight time.

Unless you're interviewing with one of those companies with a bee in its bonnet about safety pilot time, for example.

A friend of mine was hired at SkyWest with about 80% of his 100 hrs ME coming from right seat in a King Air 200. They didn't seem to mind.