Refusing To ##### Myself - Page 2

buffalopilot · January 9th, 2006, 16:49

I just need to be able to financially survive. I want to fly and survive.

CapnJim · January 9th, 2006, 17:00

Hey buff-
Is that 18K first year pay? If so what's the second year pay like? What about flight benefits, insurance, and the like?
The point I'm trying to make is, you might consider taking a step back to take two steps forward. Turbine PIC is pretty good insurance for bad times. What about lifetime earning potential?

Seggy · January 9th, 2006, 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by buffalopilot

I just need to be able to financially survive. I want to fly and survive.

I am getting a part time job at a restaurant waitering/bartending that will put a few extra dollars in my wallet as I live the dream.

Better find a part time job then or start a business that will allow you to fly and survive or just plain old survive once you get furloughed, lose a medical, airline goes out of business!

Kingairer · January 9th, 2006, 17:46

CHQ has a BUF base by the way.

CapnJim · January 9th, 2006, 18:13

Good point.

Texasspilot · January 9th, 2006, 18:20

You can get a part time job...but do you really think its right that you have to subsidize a career job by waiting tables.

As far as lifetime earning potential I think that its nill non-regional or regional can end you up in the same place.

I dunno for me...I figure theres more fun to be had and more money to be made by stayin away from the commuters.

que sera sera

pavelump · January 9th, 2006, 19:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingairer

CHQ has a BUF base by the way.

Yeah, and you'd only have to work for them for two years before you could leave without repaying your training contract. Pretty cool.

/sarcasm

Kingairer · January 9th, 2006, 19:48

You're right, sucks for those who get that phone call from united after a few months.

Koen · January 9th, 2006, 19:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

This is not parallel in any way to this particular thread, but how many folks came to JC extolling the value of Gulfstream, saw the light, and then became an opponent of that program?

LO>, that is exactly wht I did. I was trying to find some info about that program cause it looked like a good deal. Now, when I think back, I cant believe I was willing to do that. Pay for a job. Unbelievable. I will satrt instructing here in a few months to build my time.

IT_Pilot · January 9th, 2006, 20:47

Sounds like a welcome to the world of business, and never forget that you're in a business. The people in the boardroom don't give a d#*m about your logbook. Just you and the other pilots. Kinda like IT is overhead, no one cuts my employer a check cause I show up at work to manage the computer infrastructure.

I do appreciate the struggle you're grappling with. You've just got to remember that the boardroom isn't your friend, neccessarily.

Cheers!

jonnyb · January 9th, 2006, 21:23

I don't care. I'm a ##### and proud of it! I don't care how much money I make; frankly, I'd do it for free if I had to. All I care about is doing what I love. I mean, come on.......I'm flyin' a jet!

Bigey · January 9th, 2006, 21:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonnyb

I don't care. I'm a ##### and proud of it! I don't care how much money I make; frankly, I'd do it for free if I had to. All I care about is doing what I love. I mean, come on.......I'm flyin' a jet!

Dude, i'll beat that. I'll fly for food! Better yet...i'll pay the airlines to fly for them!

CapnJim · January 9th, 2006, 21:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonnyb

I don't care. I'm a ##### and proud of it! I don't care how much money I make; frankly, I'd do it for free if I had to. All I care about is doing what I love. I mean, come on.......I'm flyin' a jet!

<jonnyb looks up to the camera in his DVDA scene>
"Hi dad, hi mom!"

B767Driver · January 9th, 2006, 22:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seggy

I am getting a part time job at a restaurant waitering/bartending that will put a few extra dollars in my wallet as I live the dream.

Better find a part time job then or start a business that will allow you to fly and survive or just plain old survive once you get furloughed, lose a medical, airline goes out of business!

Reminds me of a joke. Q. "How do you get a regional airline pilot off of your porch?" A. "Pay for the pizza."

Of course, when I heard it I was a commuter pilot....I don't think they had regionals back then.

BCTAv8r · January 9th, 2006, 22:12

Just wondering, is the pilot pay being discussed before or after taxes? After taxes I really can't imagine how one can survive on such a low salary. I make about $200/week and them bastards take about $50/week. I'm paying for freaking social security when I might not even have it when I need it.

Sprint100 · January 9th, 2006, 22:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCTAv8r

Just wondering, is the pilot pay being discussed before or after taxes? After taxes I really can't imagine how one can survive on such a low salary. I make about $200/week and them bastards take about $50/week. I'm paying for freaking social security when I might not even have it when I need it.

True on the SS issue, but I can tell you've been talking to them Panthers again, huh

jtrain609 · January 9th, 2006, 22:39

I knew you'd come around, Sean

Mr_Creepy · January 9th, 2006, 23:00

Q: What do you call a commuter pilot with no girl friend?

A: Homeless.

Badump crash - I'll be here all week!

wheelsup · January 9th, 2006, 23:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texasspilot

I dunno for me...I figure theres more fun to be had and more money to be made by stayin away from the commuters.

I'll give you the fun part for sure, but I don't agree with the $$ it's pretty much a wash at your company.

For discussion purposes only, based off minimum paym assuming lear f/o on second year pay:

Pay per month

Captain after year 3 @ airnet (current captain hired Nov '02 according to airlinepilotpay.com).
Captain after year 3 @ regional (current captain hired in late 2002).

Year Airnet My regional Difference
1 $1,889 $1725 (-164)
2 $2,488 $2550 (+62)
3 $2,488 $2625 (137)
4 $3,305 $4425 (1120)
5 $3827 $4575 (748)

As you can see, the biggest difference occurs when the upgrade happens - over $12k/year more in base salary alone. It narrows more and more until year 25 when the airnet lear pay overtakes the regional pay.

I understand you can make more by working overtime, but so can the regional guys. There was a 5 year captain that credited 183 hours last month - that's $11,000+ for that month. To each his own I guess

. I do wish I would've flown at a company like airnet, however. The flying looks incredible!

~wheelsup

Texasspilot · January 9th, 2006, 23:13

I dont fly for airnet but you can sure bank there as well.

My current schedule is mon-fri usually home by 7pm.

First year pay 33K, ability to earn close to 50K after your able to pick and choose your routes. If you wanna stay for the second year. A lot of guys do and allot don't many move on to corporate or fractional jobs that pay even more.

I think this is getting into a cargo vs regional vs corp vs blehdiddy blah blah. And those discussions always end badly.

At any rate everyones got thier own priorities and abilities whether it be more focused on money, family, vacation, big planes, small planes, props, jets, etc etc. Like you said..to each thier own.

Doug Taylor · January 9th, 2006, 23:18

Meanwhile, managers at In-N-Out Burger average $100,000/year... Probably get a free double-double w/no onions add pickles thrown in from time to time!

Kingairer · January 9th, 2006, 23:23

Thats pretty darn good!

Texasspilot · January 9th, 2006, 23:24

Yah but thats cali money. I thought the cashiers a 7 eleven brought in six figures. J/K

I can't remember where I read it but someone had said if they stayed working at mcdonalds and gone to management they'd be making more and having more time off than they would with thier 15+ years airline seniority.

You'd just have to have a really good health insurance plan.

Bigey · January 10th, 2006, 00:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Meanwhile, managers at In-N-Out Burger average $100,000/year... Probably get a free double-double w/no onions add pickles thrown in from time to time!

Frick yeah!! Only thing, you've got to work there i think around 5 years before manager. But hey, look at that seniority! Lets see an airline compete with that!

Doug Taylor · January 10th, 2006, 01:04

Why is that, Bigey?

January 9th, 2006, 17:46	#29
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,166	CHQ has a BUF base by the way. __________________ "I do not proofread"

January 9th, 2006, 19:48	#33
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,166	You're right, sucks for those who get that phone call from united after a few months. __________________ "I do not proofread"

January 9th, 2006, 20:47	#35
IT_Pilot Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 131	Sounds like a welcome to the world of business, and never forget that you're in a business. The people in the boardroom don't give a d#*m about your logbook. Just you and the other pilots. Kinda like IT is overhead, no one cuts my employer a check cause I show up at work to manage the computer infrastructure. I do appreciate the struggle you're grappling with. You've just got to remember that the boardroom isn't your friend, neccessarily. Cheers! __________________ "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" "Quack damn you!" --- Mythbusters

January 9th, 2006, 22:39	#42
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,100	I knew you'd come around, Sean __________________ "I could stand at the end of the line of the general mills cereal plant to make sure that all the lucky charms are up to par for 38k a year." -snickersnwa

January 9th, 2006, 23:00	#43
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Q: What do you call a commuter pilot with no girl friend? A: Homeless. Badump crash - I'll be here all week! __________________ "You know you're winning an argument with a liberal when they start calling you names" (insert any political group you want and stop calling me names) johntenney.com johntenneyracing.com Myspace

January 9th, 2006, 16:49	#26
buffalopilot Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 411	I just need to be able to financially survive. I want to fly and survive.

January 9th, 2006, 17:00	#27
CapnJim Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: All up in Cantubury, tellin' tales. Posts: 4,444	Hey buff- Is that 18K first year pay? If so what's the second year pay like? What about flight benefits, insurance, and the like? The point I'm trying to make is, you might consider taking a step back to take two steps forward. Turbine PIC is pretty good insurance for bad times. What about lifetime earning potential?

January 9th, 2006, 18:13	#30
CapnJim Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: All up in Cantubury, tellin' tales. Posts: 4,444	Good point.

January 9th, 2006, 18:20	#31
Texasspilot Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,066	You can get a part time job...but do you really think its right that you have to subsidize a career job by waiting tables. As far as lifetime earning potential I think that its nill non-regional or regional can end you up in the same place. I dunno for me...I figure theres more fun to be had and more money to be made by stayin away from the commuters. que sera sera

January 9th, 2006, 21:23	#36
jonnyb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: So. California Posts: 1,304	I don't care. I'm a ##### and proud of it! I don't care how much money I make; frankly, I'd do it for free if I had to. All I care about is doing what I love. I mean, come on.......I'm flyin' a jet!

January 9th, 2006, 22:12	#40
BCTAv8r Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boca Raton Posts: 6,057	Just wondering, is the pilot pay being discussed before or after taxes? After taxes I really can't imagine how one can survive on such a low salary. I make about $200/week and them bastards take about $50/week. I'm paying for freaking social security when I might not even have it when I need it.

January 9th, 2006, 23:13	#45
Texasspilot Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,066	I dont fly for airnet but you can sure bank there as well. My current schedule is mon-fri usually home by 7pm. First year pay 33K, ability to earn close to 50K after your able to pick and choose your routes. If you wanna stay for the second year. A lot of guys do and allot don't many move on to corporate or fractional jobs that pay even more. I think this is getting into a cargo vs regional vs corp vs blehdiddy blah blah. And those discussions always end badly. At any rate everyones got thier own priorities and abilities whether it be more focused on money, family, vacation, big planes, small planes, props, jets, etc etc. Like you said..to each thier own.

January 9th, 2006, 23:18	#46
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,825 Blog Entries: 1	Meanwhile, managers at In-N-Out Burger average $100,000/year... Probably get a free double-double w/no onions add pickles thrown in from time to time! __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

January 9th, 2006, 23:23	#47
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,166	Thats pretty darn good! __________________ "I do not proofread"

January 9th, 2006, 23:24	#48
Texasspilot Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,066	Yah but thats cali money. I thought the cashiers a 7 eleven brought in six figures. J/K I can't remember where I read it but someone had said if they stayed working at mcdonalds and gone to management they'd be making more and having more time off than they would with thier 15+ years airline seniority. You'd just have to have a really good health insurance plan.

January 10th, 2006, 01:04	#50
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,825 Blog Entries: 1	Why is that, Bigey? __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

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