German Helo Stunts

BCTAv8r · December 5th, 2006, 08:15

http://www.break.com/index/german_helicopter_stunt.html

Ian J · December 5th, 2006, 08:25

That's a pretty dangerous maneuver - especially with that type of helicopter.

scottyboy75 · December 5th, 2006, 09:15

Is that an underslung rotor? If so how do you keep from mast bumping?

Ian J · December 5th, 2006, 09:20

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Originally Posted by scottyboy75

I was not sure was that a fully articulated or rigid rotor system? I always get confused as to what can do that.

First of all - where have you been?? You haven't posted in a LONG time!

And it looked like a Bell 206 with a rigid rotor system, prone to mast bumping and spike knock - and also prohibited from negative G maneuvers... that hard hit on the ground looks like it could damage the skids, the tranny, and the rotor system.

scottyboy75 · December 5th, 2006, 09:35

Actually I have been (are you ready? Sitting in a well braced chair?) studying. I have knocked out all but 1 written scored pretty well too. I am back flying hardcore. My sister in laws death rocked our family pretty hard and it took a long time for my kids to understand why someone would do that. But we have hit a good spot now and are making foward progress again.

scottyboy75 · December 5th, 2006, 09:38

In between you answering and me posting I relooked and saw that it was a rigid system same as a Robbie and forget the fact that it has no where near enough power to do that. There is no way I would do that with an underslung rotor.

ColeyF · December 9th, 2006, 16:57

Looked to me like your everyday "Return to target". We used to do them in Hueys and cobras all the time back in the 80s. Also looked like he did not mean to hit the ground. I bet that was a screw up.

CF

Ian J · December 9th, 2006, 17:04

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Originally Posted by ColeyF

Looked to me like your everyday "Return to target". We used to do them in Hueys and cobras all the time back in the 80s. Also looked like he did not mean to hit the ground. I bet that was a screw up.

CF

Yeah - I was thinking it was meant to be a return to target as well - only a lot lower than I've ever seen them done. As long as he kept the rotor system loaded during the turn and dive it's fine - but I think you're right - that hit was probably (hopefully) unintentional.

ColeyF · December 12th, 2006, 09:23

If you look close on the video, he looks like he came real close to hitting the tail boom with the aft portion of his rotor disk as it flexed when he hit the ground. I hope they did some inspections after that.

ColeyF

Keebler · December 19th, 2006, 14:23

They didn't until BHTI got hold of the video and sent them notice basically saying rip it apart inspect and replace all fatigue crit components. We watched a training video on it here and that's what was said in class anyways. I work at Bell.

Ian J · December 19th, 2006, 14:31

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Originally Posted by Keebler

I work at Bell.

Really! Excellent! What do you do there? Any chance you're working on the new ARH?

Keebler · December 19th, 2006, 15:43

No, but I did see them fly it a few weeks ago. I'm working on the H-1 upgrade program here in Ft. Worth while trying to finish up my certs and make the leap to professional aviation. My first desk job out of the Air Force and hopefully my last.

Longhaul · May 7th, 2007, 19:37

Lot's of helo videos. Enjoy!!

http://www.griffin-helicopters.co.uk/videos/

BobDDuck · May 9th, 2007, 17:23

There looked to be a huge amount of compression on the skid plate assembly during that touch. I'm assuming that Bell's don't have any sort of shock damping system (like struts) built into the uprights of the skid? Either way, that look very close to something pretty ugly.

scottyboy75 · May 9th, 2007, 23:21

Not really a good thing to do with a helicopter. I am sure it takes its toll after a few of those.

December 5th, 2006, 08:15	#1
BCTAv8r Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boca Raton Posts: 6,064	German Helo Stunts http://www.break.com/index/german_helicopter_stunt.html

December 5th, 2006, 08:25	#2
Ian J Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manchester, CT Posts: 5,794 Blog Entries: 7	Re: German Helo Stunts That's a pretty dangerous maneuver - especially with that type of helicopter. __________________

December 5th, 2006, 09:15	#3
scottyboy75 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: SLC Posts: 761	Re: German Helo Stunts Is that an underslung rotor? If so how do you keep from mast bumping? __________________ Comm Rotorcraft CFI, CFII Rotorcraft Last edited by scottyboy75; December 5th, 2006 at 09:18. Reason: Rewatched it and my first post was dumb.

December 5th, 2006, 09:35	#5
scottyboy75 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: SLC Posts: 761	Re: German Helo Stunts Actually I have been (are you ready? Sitting in a well braced chair?) studying. I have knocked out all but 1 written scored pretty well too. I am back flying hardcore. My sister in laws death rocked our family pretty hard and it took a long time for my kids to understand why someone would do that. But we have hit a good spot now and are making foward progress again. __________________ Comm Rotorcraft CFI, CFII Rotorcraft

December 5th, 2006, 09:38	#6
scottyboy75 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: SLC Posts: 761	Re: German Helo Stunts In between you answering and me posting I relooked and saw that it was a rigid system same as a Robbie and forget the fact that it has no where near enough power to do that. There is no way I would do that with an underslung rotor. __________________ Comm Rotorcraft CFI, CFII Rotorcraft

December 9th, 2006, 16:57	#7
ColeyF Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Afghanistan Posts: 49	Re: German Helo Stunts Looked to me like your everyday "Return to target". We used to do them in Hueys and cobras all the time back in the 80s. Also looked like he did not mean to hit the ground. I bet that was a screw up. CF

December 12th, 2006, 09:23	#9
ColeyF Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Afghanistan Posts: 49	Re: German Helo Stunts If you look close on the video, he looks like he came real close to hitting the tail boom with the aft portion of his rotor disk as it flexed when he hit the ground. I hope they did some inspections after that. ColeyF

December 19th, 2006, 14:23	#10
Keebler Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 143	Re: German Helo Stunts They didn't until BHTI got hold of the video and sent them notice basically saying rip it apart inspect and replace all fatigue crit components. We watched a training video on it here and that's what was said in class anyways. I work at Bell.

December 19th, 2006, 15:43	#12
Keebler Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 143	Re: German Helo Stunts No, but I did see them fly it a few weeks ago. I'm working on the H-1 upgrade program here in Ft. Worth while trying to finish up my certs and make the leap to professional aviation. My first desk job out of the Air Force and hopefully my last.

May 7th, 2007, 19:37	#13
Longhaul Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 30	Re: German Helo Stunts Lot's of helo videos. Enjoy!! http://www.griffin-helicopters.co.uk/videos/

May 9th, 2007, 17:23	#14
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,513	Re: German Helo Stunts There looked to be a huge amount of compression on the skid plate assembly during that touch. I'm assuming that Bell's don't have any sort of shock damping system (like struts) built into the uprights of the skid? Either way, that look very close to something pretty ugly. __________________ TBJC08 The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

May 9th, 2007, 23:21	#15
scottyboy75 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: SLC Posts: 761	Re: German Helo Stunts Not really a good thing to do with a helicopter. I am sure it takes its toll after a few of those. __________________ Comm Rotorcraft CFI, CFII Rotorcraft

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