King Air Instructors

Mr_Creepy · June 21st, 2003, 09:26

I used to teach King Airs at Communist Air. I am a check airman in King Airs at a charter company.

I sent a resume to TAB and never heard a thing. Sure would like to know how to knock on that door

Dan · June 21st, 2003, 09:32

Hi..
Yea.. seems like they would at least respond. Maybe you could call and check the status of your resume. The guy I talked to was real nice. His name is Steve Drummond. Not sure if he is the one to talk to but it's a start.

Good Luck!!

Doug Taylor · June 21st, 2003, 11:35

Quote:

I used to teach King Airs at Communist Air. I am a check airman in King Airs at a charter company.

I sent a resume to TAB and never heard a thing. Sure would like to know how to knock on that door

Start bugging Bob Beziat, he's an instructor at Tab and an all-around swell guy!

He might be in the middle of 76-ER training so he might be a wee bit busy.

Use the network!

Mr_Creepy · June 21st, 2003, 12:46

Quote:

The guy I talked to was real nice. His name is Steve Drummond.

Steve Drummond??? He's at TAB? And he hasn't called me back??? I'll expose him! LOL ok thanks for the name. Steve and I got along pretty well at ATA.

Doug why isn't the quote thingie working ....

Tim · June 21st, 2003, 17:57

Wow I guess Mitch is keeping some old ATA contact with bringing Steve onboard. He is a really nice guy and will get some good info from him.

Doug Taylor · June 22nd, 2003, 11:15

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I used to teach King Airs at Communist Air. I am a check airman in King Airs at a charter company.

I sent a resume to TAB and never heard a thing. Sure would like to know how to knock on that door

[/ QUOTE ]

Start bugging Bob Beziat, he's an instructor at Tab and an all-around swell guy!

He might be in the middle of 76-ER training so he might be a wee bit busy.

Use the network!

[/ QUOTE ]

Works now!

drummflyer · June 22nd, 2003, 18:10

Hey John, nice to herar from you! I'm not in the hiring department so I didn't know you'd applied. Please give me a call at work and I'll patch you through to the Chief Pilot. Good Luck!
Steve Drummond

Mr_Creepy · June 22nd, 2003, 19:23

I'll be calling you tomorrow Steve

ShoreFly · June 22nd, 2003, 19:58

Steve,

Are you guys looking at getting Part 141/VA Approved anytime soon?

Mr_Creepy · June 25th, 2003, 16:02

I went up to visit TAB today. Talked to the CP, DO and a few other instructors, many of whom I knew from airlines and other schools. I missed Steve Drummond, he wasn't at his desk.

I'm impressed with the outfit. The cirricculum (sp?) appears to be outstanding. Most important, there are several checkpoints along the way that will catch anyone with career threatening problems.

It may be more expensive but at least they tell you that up front, so you don't get surprised by "extra" bills later.

FLflyer · June 25th, 2003, 21:57

John,
Just curious, what do you mean by "career-threatening problems?" Do you mean they weed out students due to driving records/background checks/flight record?

Mr_Creepy · June 26th, 2003, 05:56

I would assume all schools do that before training starts. Ok maybe that's a bad assumption LOL.

No I mean lack of necessary aptitude, attitude, basic flying skills, judgement, etc. All those things that make professional pilot a job "not for everyone."

Sometimes it takes a while to catch those people who "can't stay ahead of the airplane." They get through checkrides (somehow) and make it through IOE. Sometimes it's because they are really nice people and nobody wants to fail them (bad!) Sometimes it's because of political reasons (also bad!)

TAB seems to be very serious about turning out a good product. I don't think they would "push anyone through" just because they need the money.

If you are looking for an ab initio deal and you feel you just don't want to take the time to go the CFI route, then take a look at TAB.

ready2fly · June 26th, 2003, 07:35

I read the website and gotta say - they do seem to have a solid program:

The number one being Instructors with TONS of real-world-airline experience;
King Air time;
Training based on airline standards, etc.

The price - for me - was the biggest stopper.

FOR ME I cannot justify spending between $50-$60K for the POSSIBILITY of getting a job making less than half that for quite some time.

If I was a man of means, however, and price was no object, TAB seems to have a good program.

But, I'm not, so I'll stick with the boring ol' FBO route.

(NOTE: I also dig ATP's program...but, that's another thread).

John, are you considering instructing at TAB?

Mr_Creepy · June 26th, 2003, 09:04

I prefer the FBO/club route myself, but I'm a self starter. Some folks want it all "laid out for them."

As far as $50-60k, well you would probably end up paying that at any of the big pilot factory schools.

Working for TAB? I would if the price was right. I don't think they can afford me, though. I'm making $50-75/hr as a consultant and I'm staying pretty busy.

Doug Taylor · June 26th, 2003, 10:03

Yeah, but doesn't the "I live in a van...down by the river..." get a little old after a while?

Or tripping over living room furniture? Or having to constantly readjust your belt?

(In reference to your avatar)

Mr_Creepy · June 26th, 2003, 10:47

"Well Whooptee-frickin'-doo!"

Hey but it's a luxury van

ready2fly · June 26th, 2003, 11:39

I miss Farley.

shooter13 · June 26th, 2003, 12:40

That was my favorite skit that he did. That one followed by the Chipendales(spelling???) one.

Mr_Creepy · June 26th, 2003, 12:42

I liked El Nino too. That's spanish for the ... Nino

rausda27 · June 26th, 2003, 14:41

"shut up Richard" Tommy boy has so many funny lines in it..that movie cracks me up every time I see it...

chris6387 · June 26th, 2003, 15:05

Not wanting to drift far from avaition discussion, but Farley was awesome. It's a shame...

Dan · June 27th, 2003, 08:04

Hi John, quick question..
Do you have to have a type rating for the King Air family like you would on say the Lear or Citation ? Or can you get some block time to get initial training and then do a check out > endorsement ? Thanks..

Dan

Mr_Creepy · June 27th, 2003, 08:43

Anything below the KA300 does not require a type rating.

Dan · June 27th, 2003, 12:48

Ok. Thanks... Have you heard of this place ? http://www.eaglejet.net/
Look at their King Air block prices... not bad per hour rates if your looking to get some block turbine or piston time after going to a "get all your ratings" type of school, or am I mis-reading it. Could you look through the site and let me know what you think? After reading through your website it looks like you have a busy schedule but yet I find that you have a lot of responses on this site, how do you find the extra time

.
Thanks again for all your other post respondings, it is making a difference on my desision making.

Dan

Mr_Creepy · June 27th, 2003, 13:20

I have time because most of my work is right here at this computer. I take a 15 minute break here and there to check on the forums I participate in. This is by far the most active!

I checked out that eagle site. Very interesting. Let's look closely though. I will pick on the king air 90 program. You pay $9900 and you get 100 hrs of C90. $99/hr sounds great doesn't it? But read the fine print ... Yes you get airline training, but it looks like most of your time is going to be as an FO on charter flights. I wonder how much charter flying they do. If there are 50 FOs who gets to fly first? How long do you have to wait to build up that 100 hrs?

Might be good, or it might not. Like all these schools, it bears a second look. Remember, lots of companies make promises that are a little misleading. You have to expect this when essentially paying to be in a spot that you should be paid for.

Let me know what you find out and eventually decide. I'm sure everyone here will be interested in your findings!

June 21st, 2003, 09:26	#1
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	King Air Instructors I used to teach King Airs at Communist Air. I am a check airman in King Airs at a charter company. I sent a resume to TAB and never heard a thing. Sure would like to know how to knock on that door

June 21st, 2003, 09:32	#2
Dan Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 65	Re: King Air Instructors Hi.. Yea.. seems like they would at least respond. Maybe you could call and check the status of your resume. The guy I talked to was real nice. His name is Steve Drummond. Not sure if he is the one to talk to but it's a start. Good Luck!!

June 21st, 2003, 17:57	#5
Tim Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 2,205	Re: King Air Instructors Wow I guess Mitch is keeping some old ATA contact with bringing Steve onboard. He is a really nice guy and will get some good info from him.

June 22nd, 2003, 11:15	#6
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,749 Blog Entries: 1	Re: King Air Instructors [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I used to teach King Airs at Communist Air. I am a check airman in King Airs at a charter company. I sent a resume to TAB and never heard a thing. Sure would like to know how to knock on that door [/ QUOTE ] Start bugging Bob Beziat, he's an instructor at Tab and an all-around swell guy! He might be in the middle of 76-ER training so he might be a wee bit busy. Use the network! [/ QUOTE ] Works now!

June 22nd, 2003, 18:10	#7
drummflyer Newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 2	Re: King Air Instructors Hey John, nice to herar from you! I'm not in the hiring department so I didn't know you'd applied. Please give me a call at work and I'll patch you through to the Chief Pilot. Good Luck! Steve Drummond

June 22nd, 2003, 19:23	#8
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: King Air Instructors I'll be calling you tomorrow Steve

June 22nd, 2003, 19:58	#9
ShoreFly Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: EWR Posts: 162	Re: King Air Instructors Steve, Are you guys looking at getting Part 141/VA Approved anytime soon?

June 25th, 2003, 16:02	#10
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: King Air Instructors I went up to visit TAB today. Talked to the CP, DO and a few other instructors, many of whom I knew from airlines and other schools. I missed Steve Drummond, he wasn't at his desk. I'm impressed with the outfit. The cirricculum (sp?) appears to be outstanding. Most important, there are several checkpoints along the way that will catch anyone with career threatening problems. It may be more expensive but at least they tell you that up front, so you don't get surprised by "extra" bills later.

June 25th, 2003, 21:57	#11
FLflyer Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: IAH Posts: 228	Re: King Air Instructors John, Just curious, what do you mean by "career-threatening problems?" Do you mean they weed out students due to driving records/background checks/flight record?

June 26th, 2003, 05:56	#12
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: King Air Instructors I would assume all schools do that before training starts. Ok maybe that's a bad assumption LOL. No I mean lack of necessary aptitude, attitude, basic flying skills, judgement, etc. All those things that make professional pilot a job "not for everyone." Sometimes it takes a while to catch those people who "can't stay ahead of the airplane." They get through checkrides (somehow) and make it through IOE. Sometimes it's because they are really nice people and nobody wants to fail them (bad!) Sometimes it's because of political reasons (also bad!) TAB seems to be very serious about turning out a good product. I don't think they would "push anyone through" just because they need the money. If you are looking for an ab initio deal and you feel you just don't want to take the time to go the CFI route, then take a look at TAB.

June 26th, 2003, 07:35	#13
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,079	Re: King Air Instructors I read the website and gotta say - they do seem to have a solid program: The number one being Instructors with TONS of real-world-airline experience; King Air time; Training based on airline standards, etc. The price - for me - was the biggest stopper. FOR ME I cannot justify spending between $50-$60K for the POSSIBILITY of getting a job making less than half that for quite some time. If I was a man of means, however, and price was no object, TAB seems to have a good program. But, I'm not, so I'll stick with the boring ol' FBO route. (NOTE: I also dig ATP's program...but, that's another thread). John, are you considering instructing at TAB?

June 26th, 2003, 09:04	#14
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: King Air Instructors I prefer the FBO/club route myself, but I'm a self starter. Some folks want it all "laid out for them." As far as $50-60k, well you would probably end up paying that at any of the big pilot factory schools. Working for TAB? I would if the price was right. I don't think they can afford me, though. I'm making $50-75/hr as a consultant and I'm staying pretty busy.

June 26th, 2003, 10:03	#15
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,749 Blog Entries: 1	Re: King Air Instructors Yeah, but doesn't the "I live in a van...down by the river..." get a little old after a while? Or tripping over living room furniture? Or having to constantly readjust your belt? (In reference to your avatar)

June 26th, 2003, 10:47	#16
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: King Air Instructors "Well Whooptee-frickin'-doo!" Hey but it's a luxury van

June 26th, 2003, 11:39	#17
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,079	Re: King Air Instructors I miss Farley.

June 26th, 2003, 12:40	#18
shooter13 Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,952	Re: King Air Instructors That was my favorite skit that he did. That one followed by the Chipendales(spelling???) one.

June 26th, 2003, 12:42	#19
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: King Air Instructors I liked El Nino too. That's spanish for the ... Nino

June 26th, 2003, 14:41	#20
rausda27 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,230	Re: King Air Instructors "shut up Richard" Tommy boy has so many funny lines in it..that movie cracks me up every time I see it...

June 26th, 2003, 15:05	#21
chris6387 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 686	Re: King Air Instructors Not wanting to drift far from avaition discussion, but Farley was awesome. It's a shame...

June 27th, 2003, 08:04	#22
Dan Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 65	Re: King Air Instructors Hi John, quick question.. Do you have to have a type rating for the King Air family like you would on say the Lear or Citation ? Or can you get some block time to get initial training and then do a check out > endorsement ? Thanks.. Dan

June 27th, 2003, 08:43	#23
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: King Air Instructors Anything below the KA300 does not require a type rating.

June 27th, 2003, 12:48	#24
Dan Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 65	Re: King Air Instructors Ok. Thanks... Have you heard of this place ? http://www.eaglejet.net/ Look at their King Air block prices... not bad per hour rates if your looking to get some block turbine or piston time after going to a "get all your ratings" type of school, or am I mis-reading it. Could you look through the site and let me know what you think? After reading through your website it looks like you have a busy schedule but yet I find that you have a lot of responses on this site, how do you find the extra time . Thanks again for all your other post respondings, it is making a difference on my desision making. Dan

June 27th, 2003, 13:20	#25
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: King Air Instructors I have time because most of my work is right here at this computer. I take a 15 minute break here and there to check on the forums I participate in. This is by far the most active! I checked out that eagle site. Very interesting. Let's look closely though. I will pick on the king air 90 program. You pay $9900 and you get 100 hrs of C90. $99/hr sounds great doesn't it? But read the fine print ... Yes you get airline training, but it looks like most of your time is going to be as an FO on charter flights. I wonder how much charter flying they do. If there are 50 FOs who gets to fly first? How long do you have to wait to build up that 100 hrs? Might be good, or it might not. Like all these schools, it bears a second look. Remember, lots of companies make promises that are a little misleading. You have to expect this when essentially paying to be in a spot that you should be paid for. Let me know what you find out and eventually decide. I'm sure everyone here will be interested in your findings!

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