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Dan · June 27th, 2003, 15:15

Thanks John, Yes, I will find something one day very soon. Seems like the more I look the more I find more choices and more questions. A neverending quest for me . I will keep all informed.
ps. I may call the Eagle place and just see what that's about (actual flying time).

Dan

ps. BTW >> 200 hrs. PPL and 37 yrs young.

Mr_Creepy · June 27th, 2003, 20:40

Please keep us informed ok? It may turn out that TAB is the best deal out there.

Dan · June 28th, 2003, 22:57

Yes, TAB does seem like a good program. Am concerned about the cost plus living costs on top of that . Then after sucessfully completing the program , with the industry the way it is, what do I do afterwards ? According to the other forums that I have read, chances are very slim on doing any kind of revenue flying unless I have a friend that knows somebody's friend's brother type of scenerio. Looks like I should look at getting CFI ratings ( after going to TAB, if I decide to do that) and then hope for the best after a couple of years, but geezz... I 'd have to borrow more money , so now we're looking at a total of approx. 75-80K+ to do this, and not to mention no 4 year degree is included with that. Then I got to thinking about going to one school and do the 200 hr multi and get all ratings then check out the Eagle place I mentioned and take the 100 hr.King Air course, the price here is far more cheaper than the other route.. have I confused anyone yet ? But whatever the case my be , I think it is safe to bet on getting CFI ratings to build time and gain valuable experience , who knows, I'll probably enjoy the heck out of teaching. Not trying to sound like I want to get things done overnight but I'm just trying to put together a plan that is of quality and economic and of course, wise. I don't mind paying back loans as long I am doing something that I got the loan for. I just want to to keep flying after completing the program from whichever school I choose. I understand that there is downtime after school while your're searching for job but it sure would suck to start paying back loans long before you start rev flying. But I realize that could easily happen...

Sorry to ramble on , I am just writing my thoughts....

Dan

Mr_Creepy · June 29th, 2003, 06:21

Cost of Living in Florida is very low. I do a lot of traveling and I look certain indicators like gas prices and new home prices.

Sounds like you made a valid analyis of flight education prices though. This is an expensive hobby.

One thing, you don't need a college degree for airline pilot. I don't think (even) Delta has that requirement anymore.

On college:

I'm beginning to think that college may have been a 4 year waste of money and time. Don't get me wrong, I am a strong believer in education, but I have never used much of anything I learned in my liberal arts, freshwater school throughout my entire professional career as an engineer(!), pilot, public speaker or business owner. The only worthwhile courses were the music classes I took from Nick D'Angelo, the greatest band director I ever had the pleasure to work with.

I funded my Time Building as a CFI by doing one man band stuff at night, but honestly, I could have learned that stuff taking night courses and gone straight to the workforce.

I know this won't be popular, but most of my courses at college were trying to teach me a bunch of liberal trash. Psychology was interesting, but looking back I can see the "agenda" that was there lurking beneath the Child Psych syllabus.

Economics was a joke. Even the professor told us first day, "If I really knew anything about economics do you think I'd be working as a low paid college professor?" He was pretty funny, but most of his lessons were prefaced with, "I only know this by reading it from a book ..."

The math courses were awesome but not practical. I have never used Topology, Advanced Algebra or Vector Calculus, even as an engineer. I though Vector Calculus would be there, but I never saw it, even as an defense-aerospace engineer.

I'm starting to rethink this college deal.

shooter13 · June 29th, 2003, 07:44

I think the importance of college is to get your foot in the door at a non flying job if you need to. My wife's degree is in journalsim. She doesn't use anything she learned in school for her current job but would have never been offered the position without a degree.

chris6387 · June 29th, 2003, 08:30

Even though you might not apply many of the things you learn in college, I think the airlines need to see a college degree as proof that you can pass and succeed in a rigorous program. I think you do need a college degree for the airlines, because there is such a numerous amount of applicants that those with degrees are probably going to get hired more than those without degrees. I'm not disagreeing with you that the pay for college may be more money for some than what it is worth, but that's just my take on it from what I've heard from different pilots.

Dan · June 29th, 2003, 10:48

Hey John,

Thanks for your input as always. I plan on taking a weekend flight to MCO soon to visit a couple of schools mentioned earlier. Care to grab some lunch and share stories ? My treat of course...

Dan

Mr_Creepy · June 29th, 2003, 12:31

Sure! I'll be doing my airline interview class July 29-30 if you're around then, too.

PM me for lunch info - with date and time.

Dan · June 29th, 2003, 12:54

Ok.. When I get something set-up, I'll let you know.

Dan

June 27th, 2003, 15:15	#26
Dan Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 65	Re: King Air Instructors Thanks John, Yes, I will find something one day very soon. Seems like the more I look the more I find more choices and more questions. A neverending quest for me . I will keep all informed. ps. I may call the Eagle place and just see what that's about (actual flying time). Dan ps. BTW >> 200 hrs. PPL and 37 yrs young.

June 27th, 2003, 20:40	#27
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: King Air Instructors Please keep us informed ok? It may turn out that TAB is the best deal out there.

June 28th, 2003, 22:57	#28
Dan Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 65	Re: King Air Instructors Yes, TAB does seem like a good program. Am concerned about the cost plus living costs on top of that . Then after sucessfully completing the program , with the industry the way it is, what do I do afterwards ? According to the other forums that I have read, chances are very slim on doing any kind of revenue flying unless I have a friend that knows somebody's friend's brother type of scenerio. Looks like I should look at getting CFI ratings ( after going to TAB, if I decide to do that) and then hope for the best after a couple of years, but geezz... I 'd have to borrow more money , so now we're looking at a total of approx. 75-80K+ to do this, and not to mention no 4 year degree is included with that. Then I got to thinking about going to one school and do the 200 hr multi and get all ratings then check out the Eagle place I mentioned and take the 100 hr.King Air course, the price here is far more cheaper than the other route.. have I confused anyone yet ? But whatever the case my be , I think it is safe to bet on getting CFI ratings to build time and gain valuable experience , who knows, I'll probably enjoy the heck out of teaching. Not trying to sound like I want to get things done overnight but I'm just trying to put together a plan that is of quality and economic and of course, wise. I don't mind paying back loans as long I am doing something that I got the loan for. I just want to to keep flying after completing the program from whichever school I choose. I understand that there is downtime after school while your're searching for job but it sure would suck to start paying back loans long before you start rev flying. But I realize that could easily happen... Sorry to ramble on , I am just writing my thoughts.... Dan

June 29th, 2003, 06:21	#29
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: King Air Instructors Cost of Living in Florida is very low. I do a lot of traveling and I look certain indicators like gas prices and new home prices. Sounds like you made a valid analyis of flight education prices though. This is an expensive hobby. One thing, you don't need a college degree for airline pilot. I don't think (even) Delta has that requirement anymore. On college: I'm beginning to think that college may have been a 4 year waste of money and time. Don't get me wrong, I am a strong believer in education, but I have never used much of anything I learned in my liberal arts, freshwater school throughout my entire professional career as an engineer(!), pilot, public speaker or business owner. The only worthwhile courses were the music classes I took from Nick D'Angelo, the greatest band director I ever had the pleasure to work with. I funded my Time Building as a CFI by doing one man band stuff at night, but honestly, I could have learned that stuff taking night courses and gone straight to the workforce. I know this won't be popular, but most of my courses at college were trying to teach me a bunch of liberal trash. Psychology was interesting, but looking back I can see the "agenda" that was there lurking beneath the Child Psych syllabus. Economics was a joke. Even the professor told us first day, "If I really knew anything about economics do you think I'd be working as a low paid college professor?" He was pretty funny, but most of his lessons were prefaced with, "I only know this by reading it from a book ..." The math courses were awesome but not practical. I have never used Topology, Advanced Algebra or Vector Calculus, even as an engineer. I though Vector Calculus would be there, but I never saw it, even as an defense-aerospace engineer. I'm starting to rethink this college deal.

June 29th, 2003, 07:44	#30
shooter13 Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,952	Re: King Air Instructors I think the importance of college is to get your foot in the door at a non flying job if you need to. My wife's degree is in journalsim. She doesn't use anything she learned in school for her current job but would have never been offered the position without a degree.

June 29th, 2003, 08:30	#31
chris6387 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 686	Re: King Air Instructors Even though you might not apply many of the things you learn in college, I think the airlines need to see a college degree as proof that you can pass and succeed in a rigorous program. I think you do need a college degree for the airlines, because there is such a numerous amount of applicants that those with degrees are probably going to get hired more than those without degrees. I'm not disagreeing with you that the pay for college may be more money for some than what it is worth, but that's just my take on it from what I've heard from different pilots.

June 29th, 2003, 10:48	#32
Dan Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 65	Re: King Air Instructors Hey John, Thanks for your input as always. I plan on taking a weekend flight to MCO soon to visit a couple of schools mentioned earlier. Care to grab some lunch and share stories ? My treat of course... Dan

June 29th, 2003, 12:31	#33
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: King Air Instructors Sure! I'll be doing my airline interview class July 29-30 if you're around then, too. PM me for lunch info - with date and time.

June 29th, 2003, 12:54	#34
Dan Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 65	Re: King Air Instructors Ok.. When I get something set-up, I'll let you know. Dan

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