Camping in Utah

Mr_Creepy · November 5th, 2003, 20:33

I heard a rumor that some Williams' were arrested and confined in Utah today - apparently found them out camping in the woods.

hammer · November 5th, 2003, 22:15

Arrested for what?

Mr_Creepy · November 6th, 2003, 06:59

I don't know the details. I heard this from an ex-ATAer who is now working the ramp at SRP (Randy R if you all remember him.)

yankee_one · November 11th, 2003, 07:49

Well, I searched the internet yesterday and read all the police blotters that I could find and saw nothing. Anyone else hear anything?

Doug Taylor · November 11th, 2003, 10:58

I've been doing the occasional web search over the past few days and I've seen nothing either.

It's big news to us, but to the average Joe, it's more of a "dog bites man" story.

TheWife · November 11th, 2003, 12:43

I'm in Utah and haven't heard anything either and they usually put EVERYTHING they can on the news so they don't have to fill it in with "Beaver Resident Turns 102 Today" But maybe it was just too complicated a topic for a quick news spot?

JDMcFly · November 11th, 2003, 18:32

"It's big news to us, but to the average Joe, it's more of a "dog bites man" story."

Why do I always feel that way when want I see something aviation related on the news.. Unless it's some plane crash which is horribly covered by analysts.

hammer · November 11th, 2003, 19:32

If it really happened, it's FBI ... very doubtful it would make it in the papers. Heck, the former students aren't even being told by the FBI what is going on. We have, however, each been contacted and asked to answer questions.

Tim · November 13th, 2003, 05:35

I got a letter from the Bankrupcty court in Orlando the other day notifying me of a hearing up coming for some lawyers requesting about $7500. Not sure why I am on the list, I left ATA in Feb of 01 after getting screwed but not as bad as the others...

Mr_Creepy · November 13th, 2003, 06:00

Got the same letter.

Don't get me started ...

Tim · November 13th, 2003, 09:08

I am not sure why I got it though considering I had been gone for a while. I guess I was just on the student list.

JJPilot · November 13th, 2003, 22:52

Anyone who filled out a "Consumer Fraud Complaint Form" received one of these letters.... it is that form we had everyone fill out and submit when all of this happened.

Mr_Creepy · November 14th, 2003, 05:02

I never filled out a complaint form.

I made a few calls. This letter was sent to everyone who is listed as a debtor as well.

The lawyers have not started working on the case yet (officially) and they want this money as a retainer.

ready2fly · November 14th, 2003, 09:03

On the contrary (and I have contacts in the legal community to this effect - none whom I will disclose however) - just because no formal Complaint has been filed does not mean that "The lawyers have not started working on the case yet (officially)".

Indeed they have - and diligently so.

I know you don't like "lawyers" but in this matter - your assertion is just not the truth.

Mr_Creepy · November 14th, 2003, 20:06

I never said I don't like lawyers. My sister is a lawyer. My dad is a retired Supreme Court Judge.

However I have worked with this firm before and they have ALWAYS insisted on a huge retainer before beginning any work.

If I recall correctly they want to be paid for 25 hrs at $300/hr.

Sha!

Tim · November 15th, 2003, 08:43

John I got another letter yesterday from the court and this time it was for around $4000 for admin fees. Whatever that is. I never filed a consumer form either. As stated earlier I left 2 yrs earlier...

Mr_Creepy · November 15th, 2003, 09:38

I might jump in on this if they could give us an agenda or something. I am owed money as well but this firm is not giving me a warm fuzzy feeling.

Minuteman · November 16th, 2003, 15:25

Well nuts. I did a Google search for any ATA arrests in Utah and the first and only relevant hit I got was a link back to this thread.

Mr_Creepy · November 17th, 2003, 07:02

Yes I am beginning to think it is a hoax as well.

Randy might have made it up!

November 5th, 2003, 20:33	#1
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Camping in Utah I heard a rumor that some Williams' were arrested and confined in Utah today - apparently found them out camping in the woods.

November 5th, 2003, 22:15	#2
hammer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 200	Re: Camping in Utah Arrested for what?

November 6th, 2003, 06:59	#3
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: Camping in Utah I don't know the details. I heard this from an ex-ATAer who is now working the ramp at SRP (Randy R if you all remember him.)

November 11th, 2003, 07:49	#4
yankee_one Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Deltona, Florida Posts: 286	Re: Camping in Utah Well, I searched the internet yesterday and read all the police blotters that I could find and saw nothing. Anyone else hear anything?

November 11th, 2003, 10:58	#5
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,581 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Camping in Utah I've been doing the occasional web search over the past few days and I've seen nothing either. It's big news to us, but to the average Joe, it's more of a "dog bites man" story.

November 11th, 2003, 12:43	#6
TheWife Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Utah Posts: 4,180	Re: Camping in Utah I'm in Utah and haven't heard anything either and they usually put EVERYTHING they can on the news so they don't have to fill it in with "Beaver Resident Turns 102 Today" But maybe it was just too complicated a topic for a quick news spot?

November 11th, 2003, 18:32	#7
JDMcFly Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York Posts: 1,664	Re: Camping in Utah "It's big news to us, but to the average Joe, it's more of a "dog bites man" story." Why do I always feel that way when want I see something aviation related on the news.. Unless it's some plane crash which is horribly covered by analysts.

November 11th, 2003, 19:32	#8
hammer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 200	Re: Camping in Utah If it really happened, it's FBI ... very doubtful it would make it in the papers. Heck, the former students aren't even being told by the FBI what is going on. We have, however, each been contacted and asked to answer questions.

November 13th, 2003, 05:35	#9
Tim Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 2,205	Re: Camping in Utah I got a letter from the Bankrupcty court in Orlando the other day notifying me of a hearing up coming for some lawyers requesting about $7500. Not sure why I am on the list, I left ATA in Feb of 01 after getting screwed but not as bad as the others...

November 13th, 2003, 06:00	#10
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: Camping in Utah Got the same letter. Don't get me started ...

November 13th, 2003, 09:08	#11
Tim Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 2,205	Re: Camping in Utah I am not sure why I got it though considering I had been gone for a while. I guess I was just on the student list.

November 13th, 2003, 22:52	#12
JJPilot Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 140	Re: Camping in Utah Anyone who filled out a "Consumer Fraud Complaint Form" received one of these letters.... it is that form we had everyone fill out and submit when all of this happened.

November 14th, 2003, 05:02	#13
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: Camping in Utah I never filled out a complaint form. I made a few calls. This letter was sent to everyone who is listed as a debtor as well. The lawyers have not started working on the case yet (officially) and they want this money as a retainer.

November 14th, 2003, 09:03	#14
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,143	Re: Camping in Utah On the contrary (and I have contacts in the legal community to this effect - none whom I will disclose however) - just because no formal Complaint has been filed does not mean that "The lawyers have not started working on the case yet (officially)". Indeed they have - and diligently so. I know you don't like "lawyers" but in this matter - your assertion is just not the truth.

November 14th, 2003, 20:06	#15
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: Camping in Utah I never said I don't like lawyers. My sister is a lawyer. My dad is a retired Supreme Court Judge. However I have worked with this firm before and they have ALWAYS insisted on a huge retainer before beginning any work. If I recall correctly they want to be paid for 25 hrs at $300/hr. Sha!

November 15th, 2003, 08:43	#16
Tim Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 2,205	Re: Camping in Utah John I got another letter yesterday from the court and this time it was for around $4000 for admin fees. Whatever that is. I never filed a consumer form either. As stated earlier I left 2 yrs earlier...

November 15th, 2003, 09:38	#17
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: Camping in Utah I might jump in on this if they could give us an agenda or something. I am owed money as well but this firm is not giving me a warm fuzzy feeling.

November 16th, 2003, 15:25	#18
Minuteman Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,481 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Camping in Utah Well nuts. I did a Google search for any ATA arrests in Utah and the first and only relevant hit I got was a link back to this thread.

November 17th, 2003, 07:02	#19
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: Camping in Utah Yes I am beginning to think it is a hoax as well. Randy might have made it up!

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