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Old November 16th, 2009, 13:17   #1
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<hr size="1"> <hr size="1"> 2003 ERAU Graduate Already Falcon 900 Captain

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Posted: 4/1/04

ASHBURN, VA- Captain Steve Cavoretto, a 2003 graduate of ERAU Prescott’s AS degree program, has quickly climbed the career ladder and achieved captain status on one of the world’s finest business aircraft. He lives in the Washington DC area and flies a Falcon 900 out of Dulles International Airport. Last weekend Steve’s aircraft made a quick stop at the Scottsdale airport and we were able to coordinate a brief informational interview with him.
Although Cavoretto graduated with only a commercial pilot’s certificate and 300 hours, he did not let that stop him from getting the “dream” job he always wanted.
Most graduates elect to flight instruct after school to build time, but not Cavoretto.
“A lot of my friends went out and got their CFI’s after school, but I knew that instructing wasn’t for me,” said Cavoretto. According to Steve, building time instructing students “didn’t sound fun”, so he chose to go directly in to the corporate arena.
<image2>“I asked myself, which do girls dig more: a 172 or a business jet? The answer was painfully clear - so I chose the higher path.” Explained Cavoretto.</image2>
Steve didn’t let his lack of experience hold him back from getting a head start in the career he wanted. He didn’t see what the big deal was about hours.
“I had the all ratings, that’s all they really care about,” Steve said.
Shortly after graduation Steve applied to a single corporate flight department in Virginia and was quickly hired on the spot.
“After I was hired I knew I was on the gravy train with biscuit wheels,” Steve said
After only a few short months Cavoretto got promoted to captain. “$57,000 a year was fine for a starting first officer’s salary, but I wanted to make more. When the captain upgrade finally came after several long months, I was ready to enjoy over $100,000 a year.” He explained.
Cavoretto further admits corporate flying is a glamorous job which “reels in the chicks like a deep sea trawler”.
“Flying an advanced private jet isn’t all fun and games, but it’s close,” Steve conceded.
When asked if his training at ERAU was adequate for the demanding job, Cavoretto said that if anything, his training at ERAU was overkill.
“At Riddle, they really stressed checklist usage. Out here in the real world we never use checklists, in fact I’m not even sure if the Falcon 900 has a checklist.” Steve explained.
According to Cavoretto, flight planning was another thing that Riddle blew way out of proportion. Steve said that the Falcon 900 usually has “plenty” of fuel and he hasn’t seen a navigation log since leaving ERAU.
“It’s called GPS direct, get with the times,” quipped Steve.
<image3>Despite the criticism, Cavoretto was quick to point out that the education he received at ERAU was not in vain.</image3>
“Riddle is second-to-none at teaching good taxiing techniques and they do a good job of emphasizing light gun signals, too.” Steve pointed out.
Steve encouraged Horizon’s readers not to give up just because of the difficult times the aviation industry is facing right now.
“It’s not that hard to get a job. Don’t let Career Services fool you; all you have to do is have a dream and believe in yourself – then anything’s possible!”



This guy has to be kidding? Hit direct and go eh? Don't get me wrong, I think someone graduating college and having there rating SHOULD make 50k a year as a f/o in a profession like this, but tossing some essential flight skills like fuel loads, flight planning and check lists (to some degree, even in automated planes) shouldn't be forgotten because of a job that "reels chicks".
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Old November 16th, 2009, 13:18   #2
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Dude, look at the date of the article.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 13:23   #3
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Sounds like a hell of a guy to go flying with.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 13:29   #4
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This seems like more of your earthling "humor". Now send us your women.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 13:30   #5
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This seems like more of your earthling "humor". Now send us your women.
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Dude, look at the date of the article.
I figured this HAD to be a joke. Then I read your post. It had to be a little more over the top to be believable.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 13:32   #7
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“Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.” -B. Franklin


I think I'm "hearing" this one...
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Old November 16th, 2009, 13:35   #8
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seriously some of you didnt catch in the first line or two that it is SATIRE.

holy jeebus some of you nerds are freaking dense.
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A little april fools humor never hurt anyone.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 13:52   #10
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seriously some of you didnt catch in the first line or two that it is SATIRE.
I figured as much, but it was just enough to make it believable. Shoulda caught the date.


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Old November 16th, 2009, 14:30   #11
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Default Re: "The real world never uses checklists"

Whats sad is I did not immediatly dismiss the fact.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 14:38   #12
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Ha, that got me too.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 14:47   #13
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Got me. April fools shouldnt happen in November damn it!
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Seriously the guy probably has never gotten laid by a woman that wasn't ruphied.

Also quickly climbed the corporate ladder? 2003 grad so what he's about 30?



Oh wait I read further........I can't believe that one. Does this guy even have a type rating? How could any body give you a type rating if you didn't use a check list?

This is the most vaginal hygiene baggiest thing I have just about ever read(other than some resumes when I was doing 135 & we posted on climb350).


DOOOOOOOOOODDDE its a joke at ERAU expense, dont get all panty wadded....sheez
Its ok because it got me too at first...
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Got me. April fools shouldnt happen in November damn it!
Hehe. Gotta have some fun.
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“After I was hired I knew I was on the gravy train with biscuit wheels,” Steve said

I don't think I would ever use this line...ever

still had me for a while till I heard

“It’s not that hard to get a job. Don’t let Career Services fool you; all you have to do is have a dream and believe in yourself – then anything’s possible!”....HAHAHAHA...sigh
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“After I was hired I knew I was on the gravy train with biscuit wheels,” Steve said

I don't think I would ever use this line...ever

still had me for a while till I heard

“It’s not that hard to get a job. Don’t let Career Services fool you; all you have to do is have a dream and believe in yourself – then anything’s possible!”....HAHAHAHA...sigh
Ironically, if you use that line, you may actually be fired.
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I was reading that whole thing thinking "d-bag" and wanting to strangle him through the screen. Someone mentioned the date, which I glanced at as being 2004 thinking that it was because of the times being maybe a little different 5 years ago that he pulled this off. *facepalm*

Good story anyway... haha
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I agree checklists are useless. So are preflights.
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Whats sad is I did not immediatly dismiss the fact.
Same here. I was reading it thinking "God, I KNOW this is a joke, but I could so see this actually being said."

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I agree checklists are useless. So are preflights.
Do you work at Pinnacle, too?
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How in the world did you people not catch on after about the 1st paragraph? No matter the date, the title, or anything else! I agree with the "dense" statement made earlier.
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I'm thinking of all the people I met at ERAU. Half of them didn't know what they wanted, half of them sounded like they'd actually turn into this, and I was the only one who aspired to fly single pilot 135 freight.

Hilarious, by the way. Particularly the biscuit wheels.
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“I asked myself, which do girls dig more: a 172 or a business jet? The answer was painfully clear - so I chose the higher path.”


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HAHA!!! I remember this article when I first started at PRC in 04! We all laughed. Yes, they seem to be living in the 90s with "top gun" in their veins! Thanks for the memory!
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Old November 16th, 2009, 20:18   #25
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“I asked myself, which do girls dig more: a 172 or a business jet? The answer was painfully clear - so I chose the higher path.”


Hey now. You're living proof that he was right! OH! BURN!
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