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October 31st, 2009, 16:58
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So I was chatting with an acquaintance of mine...She got hired with something around 550 hrs back during the hiring boom. Needless to say she is now furloughed. We were talking about the industry this morning, and my numerous reasons why I did NOT want to be in the airline biz as a pilot. I mentioned that the hiring boom we had the past couple years just wasn't sustainable and turning out pilots with 250-300 hours and sending them into CRJs was foolish. She wholeheartedly disagreed with me and viewed this as some sort of personal attack. Am I wrong here?? Isn't it a generally accepted principle that piloting a jet requires "some" amount of experience, whether that be through CFI or flying small airplanes before graduating onto a passenger airliner?....  Needless to say she left the table...and I enjoyed my coffee and newspaper.
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October 31st, 2009, 17:01
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October 31st, 2009, 17:02
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Hehe. Yeah she's a little defensive. Funny thing, I noticed when I graduated in '03 (couldn't even get a CFI job) all the girls got hired then with low time too... hu. That's kinda weird. On a side note: when I get furloughed I'm putting a wig on for my interview.
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October 31st, 2009, 17:04
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I just had a sim session with a female instructor that graduated a few years before me. She openly admitted that she felt like she had numerous job interviews simply because she was female. Combine that with a personality that breeds a sense of entitlement and/or denial... Last edited by TFaudree_ERAU; October 31st, 2009 at 17:05. |
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October 31st, 2009, 17:13
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__________________ "A man must rise above the Earth to the top of the atmosphere and beyond, for only thus will he fully understand the world in which he lives." Socrates | |
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October 31st, 2009, 17:18
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But yeah, I think we all know about women and aviation. I know a girl that crashed the Sim three times at her ASA interview and she still got hired... | |
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October 31st, 2009, 17:21
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For fear of getting the women mad on the forum about this being sexist.....for the record, I like women :-)...just saying.
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October 31st, 2009, 17:45
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I will always remember the stories of a Spirit CA talking about his Riddlets in the right seat trying to kill him and his joy of babysitting.
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October 31st, 2009, 17:49
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I believe some can handle it and some can't. Some would do well with 1,500 tt under their belt. Some should never. I've never been there, don't know and nothing against you but she has been there.
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October 31st, 2009, 17:51
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It should be a minimum of 1679 hours prior to getting hired.
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October 31st, 2009, 17:56
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__________________ "A man must rise above the Earth to the top of the atmosphere and beyond, for only thus will he fully understand the world in which he lives." Socrates | |
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October 31st, 2009, 18:02
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October 31st, 2009, 18:25
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The reason why I didn't go running to the airlines was because I wanted the personal experience of flying actual cross countries from East to West coast. I learned a lot and have applied it to flying at the airlines. If you don't have the experience or some sort of basis, instead of reading a book, then go get it before you have the captain working double-time to drag you along in the flight. I'm glad I waited, but of course furloughed now.
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October 31st, 2009, 18:29
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October 31st, 2009, 18:32
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We all know there are down turns and then up turns...do the minimums tend to change so drastically from say 300-500 minimums to 1500 or more when the market changes? I mean this is one of my primary reasons why I don't know if i have the patience, drive, or a combination of the two to get into this profession. It just seems the risk of furlough and then being out of a job for a while unless you have thousands of hours seems pretty high. Either way, I hope the market picks up for everyone.
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October 31st, 2009, 18:33
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__________________ http://www.SellPart135.com http://heartbreakridge.mybrute.com People suffer because of desire. ^Rev. Run | |
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October 31st, 2009, 18:34
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[QUOTE=CRJDriver;1323458]I knew I should have showed more cleavage at my last few interviews! QUOTE]Dude. Your cleavage won't help. In fact. It may hurt. |
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October 31st, 2009, 18:45
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You will never get a woman to admit she was wrong. EVER. So stop trying.
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October 31st, 2009, 18:58
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We were doing our pre-sim briefing today, and the last slide of the PowerPoint presentations is always a CRM circle to remind you to work as a crew. As the instructor, a male this time, clicked right by it, he said "yeah, that never seems to work with women" | |
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October 31st, 2009, 19:02
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October 31st, 2009, 19:10
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Last hiring session at UND they hired 10 people out of 40. 3 females applied and 3 females got hired.
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October 31st, 2009, 19:11
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For the ladies out there, any of you ever get strange looks when you get in the airplane by yourself and fire it up?
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October 31st, 2009, 19:16
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October 31st, 2009, 19:35
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October 31st, 2009, 19:36
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I flew with a few 300 hour wonders who were damn certain they were Chuck Yeager in the airplane despite the fact that they sucked. Sometimes if nobody tells you (and you have nothing, like 1000 hours of experience, to tell you otherwise) you have no idea that you suck. The Spirit thing hits a little close to home for me. A very good friend of mine (who had about 300 hours of PIC in a Lear 60 and 2500+ TT) lives in FLL and applied to them. They turned him down and told him he interviewed well but wasn't competitive and to reapply when he had 1000 PIC. A guy he interviewed with (who had 1000 PIC) later called him to tell him the new hire class was made up of himself and 5 Riddle/UND kids (4 of them were female) all with less than 600 TT and no turbine PIC. | |
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