Which one would a airline hire?

747 · March 9th, 2004, 16:25

Which one of these would a a major airline hire?

A. A pilot with 2500 TT. 1500 Turbine. 4 Year Degree

or

B. A pilot with 3000 TT. 1500 Turbine. No degree.

Wm226 · March 9th, 2004, 16:26

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Which one of these would a a major airline hire?

A. A pilot with 2500 TT. 1500 Turbine. 4 Year Degree

or

B. A pilot with 3000 TT. 1500 Turbine. No degree.

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A!!! You need that degree!!!

MikeD · March 9th, 2004, 16:26

Too subjective of a question. There's a ton of other factors that they look at with candidates.

Could be both, could be neither.

MikeD · March 9th, 2004, 16:27

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Which one of these would a a major airline hire?

A. A pilot with 2500 TT. 1500 Turbine. 4 Year Degree

or

B. A pilot with 3000 TT. 1500 Turbine. No degree.

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A!!! You need that degree!!!

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Not necessarily.

pilot602 · March 9th, 2004, 16:30

C. The guy with 2,000 tt, 800 Turbine PIC, a 2-year degree and had his resume walked in by the chief pilot's buddy.

Like Miks said .. too subjective ... too many variables ... no one knows.

Wm226 · March 9th, 2004, 16:35

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Too subjective of a question. There's a ton of other factors that they look at with candidates.

Could be both, could be neither.

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Makes sense.

JDMcFly · March 9th, 2004, 16:45

Yeah, but he only gave that information.

With JUST that information, and no else to go on, pilot A would be more likely to be hired.

MikeD · March 9th, 2004, 16:51

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Yeah, but he only gave that information.

With JUST that information, and no else to go on, pilot A would be more likely to be hired.

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Still too subjective. What kind of hours does pilot A have over pilot B? What's the quality of their flight time? Does pilot A have 2500 TT of 172 time and a degree, while pilot B has 2000 TT (of his total) of turbine multi engine time and no degree? The information is still too limited.

Would be akin to someone wanting to hire a salad chef for a restaraunt and asking who would be the better candidate: the guy with the 4 year degree in philosophy, or the guy with the 4 year degree in geology.

sopdan · March 9th, 2004, 16:54

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Still too subjective. What kind of hours does pilot A have over pilot B? What's the quality of their flight time? Does pilot A have 2500 TT of 172 time and a degree, while pilot B has 2000 TT (of his total) of turbine multi engine time and no degree? The information is still too limited.

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Go back up and look at the first post... each pilot has 1500 turbine.

MikeD · March 9th, 2004, 16:57

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Still too subjective. What kind of hours does pilot A have over pilot B? What's the quality of their flight time? Does pilot A have 2500 TT of 172 time and a degree, while pilot B has 2000 TT (of his total) of turbine multi engine time and no degree? The information is still too limited.

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Go back up and look at the first post... each pilot has 1500 turbine.

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Am referring to the total time. And speaking of the 1500 turbine, again, in what? Still a very open-ended and subjective question that there's no true answer for.

All I'm saying is that any answer to this question would be inaccurate.

flyguy · March 9th, 2004, 16:59

How about re-phrasing the question as, "which would be more likely to get hired, given the qualifications mentioned above and all other variables equal?"

In that case I'd have to say that an extra 500 hours of TT is not nearly enough for candidate B to be more qualified than candidate A, but that's just my guess.

747, you seem dead set on not getting a degree. Why are you so apposed to it? Alright, yes, you can get hired by a major without a degree. But I promise you, you are much, much more likely to get hired if you have one.

Seriously what is it? Are you afraid you'll be too old to have a career with the airlines if you waste 4 years of your life in college? Are you afraid you'll hit puberty before being the captain of a 777? Get over it. You've got your whole life ahead of you, and plenty of time. Take advantage of it.

MikeD · March 9th, 2004, 17:00

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How about re-phrasing the question as, "which would be more likely to get hired, given the qualifications mentioned above and all other variables equal?"

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I could easily buy that as a more accurate question.

DavidMohr · March 9th, 2004, 17:02

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Yeah, but he only gave that information.

With JUST that information, and no else to go on, pilot A would be more likely to be hired.

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That is a scenario that would not happen. Airlines, and employers in general don't make decisions based on that narrow criteria.

The question is moot. No decision will ever be made on the basis of TT, Turbine PIC, and Degree status alone.

Get the degree.

---This advice is coming from a guy with almost 6000 hours, 2 type ratings, 3.5 years at Regional, a wife, 2 kids, a dog, and a mortgage still plugging away at degree in the wee bit of spare time he has. All this to be a little more competitive if SWA decides to give me a call one day : )

Get the degree. It is that important.

Snow · March 9th, 2004, 17:06

I think somewhere inbetween 90% & 95% of airline pilots have degrees, not to mention a fair few of them being military trained, I think you'd be at a great disadvantage by not having a degree in this competitive market.

danielsexton · March 9th, 2004, 17:54

the question is very subjective, but in the end if you want to work for a major get the degree it will help you tremendously,

FL270 · March 9th, 2004, 19:16

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Get the degree. It is that important.

[/ QUOTE ]David, I couldn't have said it better myself. I agree wholeheartedly.

Can you succeed without one? Probably. Will you be far more likely to succeed with one? Absolutely!

Russ

Whiskey4Papa · March 9th, 2004, 19:43

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Get the degree. It is that important.

[/ QUOTE ]David, I couldn't have said it better myself. I agree wholeheartedly.

Can you succeed without one? Probably. Will you be far more likely to succeed with one? Absolutely!

Russ

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you said it!!! and besides, college is fun, theres lots of girls, you get to learn stuff that youll probably never use but whats important is that you showed your ability to learn, AND THAT IS WHATS IMPORTANT. sure it sucks staying up late to study and there has been many times where ive wanted to quit but thats something you have to deal with in order to get the piece of paper that says you did it. and thats all i am after.

mtsu_av8er · March 9th, 2004, 19:46

Slightly off topic....FL270, will you be in town during the week of the 22nd to the 27th? I may be out in Greenville for a day or two...

Ecl!pse · March 9th, 2004, 19:46

Like everyone else, its too vague. One thing i will say though is that the person with the college degree will be the person who can keep income coming to build more time when they are not hired.

JGriffis · March 9th, 2004, 20:05

Still say can't go wrong with a degree...ever!

Redbirdfan · March 9th, 2004, 20:06

Get the degree dude. Not just because it looks good, but if you go to a school like Riddle or UND, they can connect you to the industry like you wouldn't believe if you're motivated. Internships and Co-ops make an aviation degree absolutely invaluable. Just ask the 100 or so ACA captains that got hired out of the bridge program with 600 TT and 100 ME.

montanapilot · March 9th, 2004, 20:24

747 how come you are trying to avoid the degree so much? if you dont go for a degree your chances of getting hired are slimmer than if you had the degree. I sure wouldnt wanna do something that hurt my chances of getting hired.

for example.........................

from Alaska Airlines------

Minimum Qualifications:
Experience: Minimum of 1500 hours total pilot time in fixed wing aircraft. Minimum 750 PIC hours in multi-engine (turbojet/ turboprop) aircraft or single-engine high performance military jet. Minimum 50 hours flown within the last 12 months.

Education:Four year degree given preference.

Licenses and Certificates: Airline Transport Pilot (ATP)

from Delta Airlines.........

Be at least twenty-one years of age.
Have graduated from a four-year degree program from a college or university accredited by a recognized accrediting organization. Post graduate education will be given favorable consideration.
Hold a FAA commercial fixed-wing pilot license with an instrument rating.
Hold a valid FAA Flight Engineer written exam (FEB and FEJ or FEX).

From Southwest Airlines......

Medical:
Must possess a current FAA Class 1 Medical Certificate. Must pass FAA mandated Drug Test.
Authorization to work in the United States:
Must have established authorization to work in the United States.
Driver's License:
Must possess a valid United States Driver's License.
Education:Graduation from accredited, four-year college preferred.
Letters of Recommendation:
At least three letters from any individuals who can attest to the pilot’s flying skills, by having observed them over a sustained period of time.

as you can see these are just 3 random airlines i picked out of the majors (alaska might not quite be a major??) to show that you need a degree if you wanna have a decent chance of making it.

Kelly

Doug Taylor · March 9th, 2004, 20:40

Thanks Montana!

If I had thought ahead, I'd have collected the angry emails from pilots with thousands of hours that were bitter and quite upset at me* about not being able to find a job when the airlines were briskly hiring pilots.

They'd want to argue about how many hours they had in all types of aircraft and demanded that I* justify the value of a degree, yadda yadda yadda.

Pretty much the reason why I preach and preach and preach about young people getting college degrees, but I'd say 60% of the people actually listen. The other 40% angrily email me later about not getting callbacks. Greeat.

*still trying to figure that one out!

FL270 · March 10th, 2004, 07:27

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Slightly off topic....FL270, will you be in town during the week of the 22nd to the 27th? I may be out in Greenville for a day or two...

[/ QUOTE ]Far as I know, I'll be right here. Come on down!

Russ

tonyw · March 10th, 2004, 09:32

Whatcha gonna do?

You can't make them go to college. And if they won't listen when you tell them that makes them less competitive, well, too bad for them.

Especially when those of us with college degrees end up with the job that they thought belonged to them.

March 9th, 2004, 16:25	#1
747 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45	Which one would a airline hire? Which one of these would a a major airline hire? A. A pilot with 2500 TT. 1500 Turbine. 4 Year Degree or B. A pilot with 3000 TT. 1500 Turbine. No degree.

March 9th, 2004, 16:26	#2
Wm226 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: U.S Posts: 392	Re: Which one would a airline hire? [ QUOTE ] Which one of these would a a major airline hire? A. A pilot with 2500 TT. 1500 Turbine. 4 Year Degree or B. A pilot with 3000 TT. 1500 Turbine. No degree. [/ QUOTE ] A!!! You need that degree!!!

March 9th, 2004, 16:26	#3
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Which one would a airline hire? Too subjective of a question. There's a ton of other factors that they look at with candidates. Could be both, could be neither.

March 9th, 2004, 16:27	#4
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Which one would a airline hire? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Which one of these would a a major airline hire? A. A pilot with 2500 TT. 1500 Turbine. 4 Year Degree or B. A pilot with 3000 TT. 1500 Turbine. No degree. [/ QUOTE ] A!!! You need that degree!!! [/ QUOTE ] Not necessarily.

March 9th, 2004, 16:30	#5
pilot602 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: who haa Posts: 3,750	Re: Which one would a airline hire? C. The guy with 2,000 tt, 800 Turbine PIC, a 2-year degree and had his resume walked in by the chief pilot's buddy. Like Miks said .. too subjective ... too many variables ... no one knows.

March 9th, 2004, 16:35	#6
Wm226 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: U.S Posts: 392	Re: Which one would a airline hire? [ QUOTE ] Too subjective of a question. There's a ton of other factors that they look at with candidates. Could be both, could be neither. [/ QUOTE ] Makes sense.

March 9th, 2004, 16:45	#7
JDMcFly Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York Posts: 1,664	Re: Which one would a airline hire? Yeah, but he only gave that information. With JUST that information, and no else to go on, pilot A would be more likely to be hired.

March 9th, 2004, 16:51	#8
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Which one would a airline hire? [ QUOTE ] Yeah, but he only gave that information. With JUST that information, and no else to go on, pilot A would be more likely to be hired. [/ QUOTE ] Still too subjective. What kind of hours does pilot A have over pilot B? What's the quality of their flight time? Does pilot A have 2500 TT of 172 time and a degree, while pilot B has 2000 TT (of his total) of turbine multi engine time and no degree? The information is still too limited. Would be akin to someone wanting to hire a salad chef for a restaraunt and asking who would be the better candidate: the guy with the 4 year degree in philosophy, or the guy with the 4 year degree in geology.

March 9th, 2004, 16:54	#9
sopdan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 637	Re: Which one would a airline hire? [ QUOTE ] Still too subjective. What kind of hours does pilot A have over pilot B? What's the quality of their flight time? Does pilot A have 2500 TT of 172 time and a degree, while pilot B has 2000 TT (of his total) of turbine multi engine time and no degree? The information is still too limited. [/ QUOTE ] Go back up and look at the first post... each pilot has 1500 turbine.

March 9th, 2004, 16:57	#10
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Which one would a airline hire? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Still too subjective. What kind of hours does pilot A have over pilot B? What's the quality of their flight time? Does pilot A have 2500 TT of 172 time and a degree, while pilot B has 2000 TT (of his total) of turbine multi engine time and no degree? The information is still too limited. [/ QUOTE ] Go back up and look at the first post... each pilot has 1500 turbine. [/ QUOTE ] Am referring to the total time. And speaking of the 1500 turbine, again, in what? Still a very open-ended and subjective question that there's no true answer for. All I'm saying is that any answer to this question would be inaccurate.

March 9th, 2004, 16:59	#11
flyguy Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 2,078	Re: Which one would a airline hire? How about re-phrasing the question as, "which would be more likely to get hired, given the qualifications mentioned above and all other variables equal?" In that case I'd have to say that an extra 500 hours of TT is not nearly enough for candidate B to be more qualified than candidate A, but that's just my guess. 747, you seem dead set on not getting a degree. Why are you so apposed to it? Alright, yes, you can get hired by a major without a degree. But I promise you, you are much, much more likely to get hired if you have one. Seriously what is it? Are you afraid you'll be too old to have a career with the airlines if you waste 4 years of your life in college? Are you afraid you'll hit puberty before being the captain of a 777? Get over it. You've got your whole life ahead of you, and plenty of time. Take advantage of it.

March 9th, 2004, 17:00	#12
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Which one would a airline hire? [ QUOTE ] How about re-phrasing the question as, "which would be more likely to get hired, given the qualifications mentioned above and all other variables equal?" [/ QUOTE ] I could easily buy that as a more accurate question.

March 9th, 2004, 17:02	#13
DavidMohr Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 32	Re: Which one would a airline hire? [ QUOTE ] Yeah, but he only gave that information. With JUST that information, and no else to go on, pilot A would be more likely to be hired. [/ QUOTE ] That is a scenario that would not happen. Airlines, and employers in general don't make decisions based on that narrow criteria. The question is moot. No decision will ever be made on the basis of TT, Turbine PIC, and Degree status alone. Get the degree. ---This advice is coming from a guy with almost 6000 hours, 2 type ratings, 3.5 years at Regional, a wife, 2 kids, a dog, and a mortgage still plugging away at degree in the wee bit of spare time he has. All this to be a little more competitive if SWA decides to give me a call one day : ) Get the degree. It is that important.

March 9th, 2004, 17:06	#14
Snow Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 869	Re: Which one would a airline hire? I think somewhere inbetween 90% & 95% of airline pilots have degrees, not to mention a fair few of them being military trained, I think you'd be at a great disadvantage by not having a degree in this competitive market.

March 9th, 2004, 17:54	#15
danielsexton Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: CSG Posts: 186	Re: Which one would a airline hire? the question is very subjective, but in the end if you want to work for a major get the degree it will help you tremendously,

March 9th, 2004, 19:16	#16
FL270 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,101	Re: Which one would a airline hire? [ QUOTE ] Get the degree. It is that important. [/ QUOTE ]David, I couldn't have said it better myself. I agree wholeheartedly. Can you succeed without one? Probably. Will you be far more likely to succeed with one? Absolutely! Russ

March 9th, 2004, 19:43	#17
Whiskey4Papa Newbie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 7	Re: Which one would a airline hire? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Get the degree. It is that important. [/ QUOTE ]David, I couldn't have said it better myself. I agree wholeheartedly. Can you succeed without one? Probably. Will you be far more likely to succeed with one? Absolutely! Russ [/ QUOTE ] you said it!!! and besides, college is fun, theres lots of girls, you get to learn stuff that youll probably never use but whats important is that you showed your ability to learn, AND THAT IS WHATS IMPORTANT. sure it sucks staying up late to study and there has been many times where ive wanted to quit but thats something you have to deal with in order to get the piece of paper that says you did it. and thats all i am after.

March 9th, 2004, 19:46	#18
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,505	Re: Which one would a airline hire? Slightly off topic....FL270, will you be in town during the week of the 22nd to the 27th? I may be out in Greenville for a day or two...

March 9th, 2004, 19:46	#19
Ecl!pse Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Pittsburgh, PA/Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 383	Re: Which one would a airline hire? Like everyone else, its too vague. One thing i will say though is that the person with the college degree will be the person who can keep income coming to build more time when they are not hired.

March 9th, 2004, 20:05	#20
JGriffis Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 308	Re: Which one would a airline hire? Still say can't go wrong with a degree...ever!

March 9th, 2004, 20:06	#21
Redbirdfan Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the right seat Posts: 57	Re: Which one would a airline hire? Get the degree dude. Not just because it looks good, but if you go to a school like Riddle or UND, they can connect you to the industry like you wouldn't believe if you're motivated. Internships and Co-ops make an aviation degree absolutely invaluable. Just ask the 100 or so ACA captains that got hired out of the bridge program with 600 TT and 100 ME.

March 9th, 2004, 20:24	#22
montanapilot Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portland, Orygun Posts: 1,640	Re: Which one would a airline hire? 747 how come you are trying to avoid the degree so much? if you dont go for a degree your chances of getting hired are slimmer than if you had the degree. I sure wouldnt wanna do something that hurt my chances of getting hired. for example......................... from Alaska Airlines------ Minimum Qualifications: Experience: Minimum of 1500 hours total pilot time in fixed wing aircraft. Minimum 750 PIC hours in multi-engine (turbojet/ turboprop) aircraft or single-engine high performance military jet. Minimum 50 hours flown within the last 12 months. Education:Four year degree given preference. Licenses and Certificates: Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) from Delta Airlines......... Be at least twenty-one years of age. Have graduated from a four-year degree program from a college or university accredited by a recognized accrediting organization. Post graduate education will be given favorable consideration. Hold a FAA commercial fixed-wing pilot license with an instrument rating. Hold a valid FAA Flight Engineer written exam (FEB and FEJ or FEX). From Southwest Airlines...... Medical: Must possess a current FAA Class 1 Medical Certificate. Must pass FAA mandated Drug Test. Authorization to work in the United States: Must have established authorization to work in the United States. Driver's License: Must possess a valid United States Driver's License. Education:Graduation from accredited, four-year college preferred. Letters of Recommendation: At least three letters from any individuals who can attest to the pilot’s flying skills, by having observed them over a sustained period of time. as you can see these are just 3 random airlines i picked out of the majors (alaska might not quite be a major??) to show that you need a degree if you wanna have a decent chance of making it. Kelly

March 9th, 2004, 20:40	#23
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,597 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Which one would a airline hire? Thanks Montana! If I had thought ahead, I'd have collected the angry emails from pilots with thousands of hours that were bitter and quite upset at me* about not being able to find a job when the airlines were briskly hiring pilots. They'd want to argue about how many hours they had in all types of aircraft and demanded that I* justify the value of a degree, yadda yadda yadda. Pretty much the reason why I preach and preach and preach about young people getting college degrees, but I'd say 60% of the people actually listen. The other 40% angrily email me later about not getting callbacks. Greeat. *still trying to figure that one out!

March 10th, 2004, 07:27	#24
FL270 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,101	Re: Which one would a airline hire? [ QUOTE ] Slightly off topic....FL270, will you be in town during the week of the 22nd to the 27th? I may be out in Greenville for a day or two... [/ QUOTE ]Far as I know, I'll be right here. Come on down! Russ

March 10th, 2004, 09:32	#25
tonyw Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 15,471	Re: Which one would a airline hire? Whatcha gonna do? You can't make them go to college. And if they won't listen when you tell them that makes them less competitive, well, too bad for them. Especially when those of us with college degrees end up with the job that they thought belonged to them.

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