Accredited 141 Flight Schools?

jspeed87 · January 14th, 2009, 13:39

I'm having trouble finding flight schools that are accredited for Stafford loans and Federal loans. The only 2 I found are Ari Ben Aviator and Delta Connection Academy. Are these the only 2?

c172captain · January 14th, 2009, 13:43

What about FYCA?

Fix Your Credit Academy

There are loads of 141 schools. Google it.

Matt13C · January 14th, 2009, 13:57

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Originally Posted by jspeed87

I'm having trouble finding flight schools that are accredited for Stafford loans and Federal loans. The only 2 I found are Ari Ben Aviator and Delta Connection Academy. Are these the only 2?

Embry Riddle is.

You have a better shot of going through Sallie Mae to find a school who can get you loans, if that is the route you are looking to take.

There are many more of those out there. Wings field (LOM) in PA as well as Hortman Aviation at North East Philadelphia (PNE) are two off the top of my head that might be in driving distance for you. I think Princeton airport (39N) might be able to also, but i am not certain.

Good luck.

jspeed87 · January 14th, 2009, 14:06

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Originally Posted by Matt13C

Embry Riddle is.

You have a better shot of going through Sallie Mae to find a school who can get you loans, if that is the route you are looking to take.

There are many more of those out there. Wings field (LOM) in PA as well as Hortman Aviation at North East Philadelphia (PNE) are two off the top of my head that might be in driving distance for you. I think Princeton airport (39N) might be able to also, but i am not certain.

Good luck.

Embry Riddle is a 4 year college so thats a given. I'm looking for academies that are accredited. Do you know if ATP is?

BillErvin · January 14th, 2009, 14:15

There are very few non-college aviation schools accredited by the Dept. of Education for Stafford or other federal programs (you mentioned the two that I knew about). There are many commercial companies that make "federally backed" private student loans for aviation schools.

But, there is a huge difference between the two, one is administered by the DOE and provides Grants and small loans, the others are "profit driven" lending institutions (some would say loan sharks) whose loans are backed by the government.

I would not recommend the latter, it wouldn't be wise to put yourself into a lot of rather high interest debt, just to get into a job market that's, shall we say, in a downward spiral

I believe the DOE website has a search function that you can look for aviation schools that are accredited, but of those two the only others I've found were colleges or universities .

BillErvin · January 14th, 2009, 14:16

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Originally Posted by jspeed87

Embry Riddle is a 4 year college so thats a given. I'm looking for academies that are accredited. Do you know if ATP is?

ATP is not!

NotCoolEnufToFly · January 14th, 2009, 14:16

I actually had someone call the school I work at today and ask about that. I thought the only flight schools that were accredited were 4yr colleges or universities that have a flight program?!

ILS37R · January 14th, 2009, 14:26

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Originally Posted by jspeed87

I'm having trouble finding flight schools that are accredited for Stafford loans and Federal loans. The only 2 I found are Ari Ben Aviator and Delta Connection Academy. Are these the only 2?

Unless something has changed in the last year and a half, DCA does not do Stafford or Federal loans, just commercial education loans.

As others have said, you're basically looking at four-year colleges with flight training programs, with the caveat that even in their case, a lot of the time your loan covers your book work, but you're responsible for your flight training costs.

jspeed87 · January 14th, 2009, 14:26

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Originally Posted by NotCoolEnufToFly

I actually had someone call the school I work at today and ask about that. I thought the only flight schools that were accredited were 4yr colleges or universities that have a flight program?!

It surprised me too. Ari Ben Aviator and Delta Connection Academy are accredited and backed by Commission for Career Schools and Colleges of Technology (ACCSCT)

Crockrocket94 · January 14th, 2009, 14:27

FlightSafety Academy is.

But call and ask 141 schools.

BillErvin · January 14th, 2009, 14:56

here is the link.

http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/Search.aspx

Just type in various words, aviation, aviator, or the name of the school you're looking at.

I see Phoenix East is in there too.

jspeed87 · January 14th, 2009, 15:06

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Originally Posted by BillErvin

here is the link.

http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/Search.aspx

Just type in various words, aviation, aviator, or the name of the school you're looking at.

I saw Phoenix East is in there too.

Thanks for that

BillErvin · January 14th, 2009, 15:06

Make sure you check with the school, because accreditation by an recognized agency does not mean they are approved for Stafford, Pell, PLUS or other federal programs. I do believe it is one of the criteria though.

minitour · January 14th, 2009, 15:36

There's one in Northeast Ohio, but I'd recommend GIA before them. Tread carefully and YMMV 'n all that.

-mini

NotCoolEnufToFly · January 14th, 2009, 15:47

Okay, well I think the question I got asked this morning is a lil different, cause the guy was military and said he found out that he can get his benefits to pay for private pilot if he uses tuition assistance at an accreditated school. I believe the military tuition assistance program will only pay for accredited colleges and universities. I don't think he could go enroll at ATP or something and use his TA even if they are accredited?! However, he probably could go to ERAU and maybe be able to have TA pay for his PPL that way.

We are VA approved but that only covers Instrument and Commercial.

Falcon10 · January 14th, 2009, 20:09

Mercer County Community College Flight school based at KTTN

Maurus · January 14th, 2009, 20:27

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Originally Posted by minitour

There's one in Northeast Ohio, but I'd recommend GIA before them. Tread carefully and YMMV 'n all that.

-mini

Tread VERY carefully. Some schools only got the accreditation to look better when in reality the school still is terrible.

*Cough*NE Ohio School*Cough*

jspeed87 · January 14th, 2009, 20:46

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Originally Posted by Falcon10

Mercer County Community College Flight school based at KTTN

I heard they were closing the program because it was to costly?

XLR99 · January 14th, 2009, 21:18

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Originally Posted by Maurus

Tread VERY carefully. Some schools only got the accreditation to look better when in reality the school still is terrible.

*Cough*NE Ohio School*Cough*

So what are you saying? :-)

Are they really still in business?

Maurus · January 14th, 2009, 21:34

Very much so. I seriously can't believe they still have instructors there, but then again there is nowhere else to instruct around here.

minitour · January 14th, 2009, 21:43

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Originally Posted by Maurus

Very much so. I seriously can't believe they still have instructors there, but then again there is nowhere else to instruct around here.

I interviewed there a while back. Two days of wasted time and they still hadn't told me how much they wanted to pay me. When they finally did, I laughed and walked out.

You can become acredited by writing a check and that's what they did, IMO.

-mini

Maurus · January 14th, 2009, 21:52

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Originally Posted by minitour

I interviewed there a while back. Two days of wasted time and they still hadn't told me how much they wanted to pay me. When they finally did, I laughed and walked out.

You can become acredited by writing a check and that's what they did, IMO.

-mini

Don't blame you. I can't believe they had people that moved from out of state to work there. The funny thing is that the owners tried to make me thing that CFI gigs were far and few between and they got hundreds of resumes, and this was right at the beginning of the hiring boom for airlines.

I think the main reason they are in business is because they can put on a good show for a new customer. They also get all the new local customers because all the airport signs lead to Akron Flight and none lead to my part of the field. Unfortunately, new people to aviation usually visit one flight school and then stay there because they don't know any better.

sunny441 · January 14th, 2009, 22:18

Dont tell me it AWFA in Akron, OH? If it is - stay awaaaaaaaaaaaaay.!

minitour · January 14th, 2009, 22:37

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Originally Posted by Maurus

Don't blame you. I can't believe they had people that moved from out of state to work there. The funny thing is that the owners tried to make me thing that CFI gigs were far and few between and they got hundreds of resumes, and this was right at the beginning of the hiring boom for airlines.

I think the main reason they are in business is because they can put on a good show for a new customer. They also get all the new local customers because all the airport signs lead to Akron Flight and none lead to my part of the field. Unfortunately, new people to aviation usually visit one flight school and then stay there because they don't know any better.

I had one of their customers come to me to finish up his private. He was a mess. Finally got him to pilot an aircraft safely and competently. They had him scared to death with the "if you stall, you will spin...you will die" private pilot ground initiation and he was flying patterns at 90 knots down final wondering why he couldn't land a 172.

They're in business because one of the company principles inherited a boat ton of money and they can continue to write checks that their damn near incompetent instructional capabilities are unable to cover.

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Originally Posted by sunny441

Dont tell me it AWFA in Akron, OH? If it is - stay awaaaaaaaaaaaaay.!

I'm not saying anything further...

-mini

Falcon10 · January 15th, 2009, 11:33

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Originally Posted by jspeed87

I heard they were closing the program because it was to costly?

It will be up and running for at least another 18 months.

January 14th, 2009, 13:39	#1
jspeed87 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: KLDJ/KFPR Posts: 345	Accredited 141 Flight Schools? I'm having trouble finding flight schools that are accredited for Stafford loans and Federal loans. The only 2 I found are Ari Ben Aviator and Delta Connection Academy. Are these the only 2?

January 14th, 2009, 13:43	#2
c172captain Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,290	Re: Accredited 141 Flight Schools? What about FYCA? Fix Your Credit Academy There are loads of 141 schools. Google it. __________________ How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? CFI/CFII/MEI AGI/IGI C-SEL/C-MEL

January 14th, 2009, 14:15	#5
BillErvin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Midlothian TX Temporary abode in Ft. Pierce FL Posts: 862 Blog Entries: 9	Re: Accredited 141 Flight Schools? There are very few non-college aviation schools accredited by the Dept. of Education for Stafford or other federal programs (you mentioned the two that I knew about). There are many commercial companies that make "federally backed" private student loans for aviation schools. But, there is a huge difference between the two, one is administered by the DOE and provides Grants and small loans, the others are "profit driven" lending institutions (some would say loan sharks) whose loans are backed by the government. I would not recommend the latter, it wouldn't be wise to put yourself into a lot of rather high interest debt, just to get into a job market that's, shall we say, in a downward spiral I believe the DOE website has a search function that you can look for aviation schools that are accredited, but of those two the only others I've found were colleges or universities . __________________ \_____@(")@_____/ Every day I remind myself that my inner & outer life is based on the labor of Patriots, living & dead, and I strive to live up to that sacrifice.

January 14th, 2009, 14:16	#7
NotCoolEnufToFly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Gretna, LA Posts: 3,121	Re: Accredited 141 Flight Schools? I actually had someone call the school I work at today and ask about that. I thought the only flight schools that were accredited were 4yr colleges or universities that have a flight program?! __________________ Papa Alpha Mike

January 14th, 2009, 14:27	#10
Crockrocket94 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Currently Ann Arbor MI Posts: 1,933	Re: Accredited 141 Flight Schools? FlightSafety Academy is. But call and ask 141 schools. __________________ Craig CFI-CFII-MEI CE500 PIC CE650/560XL SIC

January 14th, 2009, 14:56	#11
BillErvin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Midlothian TX Temporary abode in Ft. Pierce FL Posts: 862 Blog Entries: 9	Re: Accredited 141 Flight Schools? here is the link. http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/Search.aspx Just type in various words, aviation, aviator, or the name of the school you're looking at. I see Phoenix East is in there too. __________________ \_____@(")@_____/ Every day I remind myself that my inner & outer life is based on the labor of Patriots, living & dead, and I strive to live up to that sacrifice.

January 14th, 2009, 15:06	#13
BillErvin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Midlothian TX Temporary abode in Ft. Pierce FL Posts: 862 Blog Entries: 9	Re: Accredited 141 Flight Schools? Make sure you check with the school, because accreditation by an recognized agency does not mean they are approved for Stafford, Pell, PLUS or other federal programs. I do believe it is one of the criteria though. __________________ \_____@(")@_____/ Every day I remind myself that my inner & outer life is based on the labor of Patriots, living & dead, and I strive to live up to that sacrifice.

January 14th, 2009, 15:36	#14
minitour Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: . Posts: 4,230	Re: Accredited 141 Flight Schools? There's one in Northeast Ohio, but I'd recommend GIA before them. Tread carefully and YMMV 'n all that. -mini __________________ McDonalds won't have me. AT&T Wireless won't acknowledge my resume. ...there has to be something out there for me. No, I'm not joking.

January 14th, 2009, 15:47	#15
NotCoolEnufToFly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Gretna, LA Posts: 3,121	Re: Accredited 141 Flight Schools? Okay, well I think the question I got asked this morning is a lil different, cause the guy was military and said he found out that he can get his benefits to pay for private pilot if he uses tuition assistance at an accreditated school. I believe the military tuition assistance program will only pay for accredited colleges and universities. I don't think he could go enroll at ATP or something and use his TA even if they are accredited?! However, he probably could go to ERAU and maybe be able to have TA pay for his PPL that way. We are VA approved but that only covers Instrument and Commercial. __________________ Papa Alpha Mike

January 14th, 2009, 20:09	#16
Falcon10 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bensalem PA Posts: 38	Re: Accredited 141 Flight Schools? Mercer County Community College Flight school based at KTTN

January 14th, 2009, 21:34	#20
Maurus Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,599	Re: Accredited 141 Flight Schools? Very much so. I seriously can't believe they still have instructors there, but then again there is nowhere else to instruct around here. __________________ “I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is over self.” - Aristotle

January 14th, 2009, 22:18	#23
sunny441 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Berrien Springs Posts: 68	Re: Accredited 141 Flight Schools? Dont tell me it AWFA in Akron, OH? If it is - stay awaaaaaaaaaaaaay.!

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