Corporate aviation gets better....G-VI

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by minitour

*yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn*

I'll drink to that.

[n57flyguy]

Sweet airplane, yes, but an even more of a long range homewrecker.

[ZapBrannigan]

The bigger the plane, the bigger the suitcase. God bless you little Learjet 31a with your 2.5 hour range.

[PGT]

the bigger the plane, the bigger the a******

[PGT]

Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan

The CRJ is to the Gulfstream 650 what the Space Shuttle is to the Starship Enterprise.

Here is the PlaneView II on a G550. Gulfstream says they will be common.

which is almost exactly like the G450 panel as well...

[Citationkid]

Originally Posted by minitour

Longer trips, more time away from home.....I'll pass. So, yeah... *yaaaaaaaaaawn*.

-mini

Aren't you away from home eight days at a time? The three guys I know who fly GV's work less than any other pilots I know. I guess when the company can afford a $50 million dollar airplane they don't worry too much about staffing it. Most do one international trip a month with a few day trips. They seem to average ten to twelve days of work a month. That said, find me a King Air job paying $150,000 a year working ten days a month and I'll work it until I die!

Alex.

[minitour]

Originally Posted by Citationkid

Aren't you away from home eight days at a time?

Yep, and I get to stay on the same continent. There's no place I go that I can't be home within 4 hours if I really REALLY need to be.

-mini

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by n57flyguy

Sweet airplane, yes, but an even more of a long range homewrecker.

Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan

The bigger the plane, the bigger the suitcase. God bless you little Learjet 31a with your 2.5 hour range.

...all that, and they couldn't put slats on the wing????



I will never, never, ever, ever...fly in that thing for that reason alone. Be it up front, or in the back.

I'd rather fly commercial...at least their planes, have slats!

[Sprint100]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

...all that, and they couldn't put slats on the wing????



I will never, never, ever, ever...fly in that thing for that reason alone. Be it up front, or in the back.

I'd rather fly commercial...at least their planes, have slats!

I'd think the wing area made up for having no slats. Still lands pretty and graceful

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by Sprint100

I'd think the wing area made up for having no slats. Still lands pretty and graceful

Like I told ya on the phone homeboy no slats I ain't gettin' on it. Them slatless planes are dangerous I tell ya dangerous!

[ZapBrannigan]

I've always felt that way about the CRJ 200. No slats so you get large shifts in the center of pressure with flap extension. (You could chip a tooth on the yoke if the autopilot is flying an approach!) You also end up with that preposterous nose-down attitude on final which isn't a big deal except that you burn up a lot of runway trying to get anything but a 3 point landing

All that being said Gulfstream says this is a next generation wing and that it will provide fantastic flying qualities in all flight regimes. Seeing as they are the gold-standard of Corporate aircraft (The Gulfstream is to corporate pilots what the Dreamliner is to airline pilots) I suspect it will be amazing.

All of this discussion is moot for me. I'm headed to school on the Lear 45 later this year. The fanciest thing it has is a nearly 20 year old Primus 1000. lol No complaints though. As long as the paychecks keep cashing i'll fly a fieseler storch if the pay is right.

(Look THAT one up you youngsters with your G1000s...

[killbilly]

Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan

As long as the paychecks keep cashing i'll fly a fieseler storch if the pay is right.

(Look THAT one up you youngsters with your G1000s...

That thing looks like an old Pilatus humped a Maule and this is the offspring...

[HOTDOG]

That's hot.

[B767Driver]

Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan

I've always felt that way about the CRJ 200. No slats so you get large shifts in the center of pressure with flap extension. (You could chip a tooth on the yoke if the autopilot is flying an approach!) You also end up with that preposterous nose-down attitude on final which isn't a big deal except that you burn up a lot of runway trying to get anything but a 3 point landing

All that being said Gulfstream says this is a next generation wing and that it will provide fantastic flying qualities in all flight regimes. Seeing as they are the gold-standard of Corporate aircraft (The Gulfstream is to corporate pilots what the Dreamliner is to airline pilots) I suspect it will be amazing.

All of this discussion is moot for me. I'm headed to school on the Lear 45 later this year. The fanciest thing it has is a nearly 20 year old Primus 1000. lol No complaints though. As long as the paychecks keep cashing i'll fly a fieseler storch if the pay is right.

(Look THAT one up you youngsters with your G1000s...

Zap...

I'm just curious...what type of flying do you guys do? Out and backs with a lot of waiting...or drops offs and multiple leg days. What other company responsibilities do you have if any? Any flight department management duties? I've never done that type of flying...sounds like it could be really interesting or really dull.

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan

I've always felt that way about the CRJ 200. No slats so you get large shifts in the center of pressure with flap extension. (You could chip a tooth on the yoke if the autopilot is flying an approach!) You also end up with that preposterous nose-down attitude on final which isn't a big deal except that you burn up a lot of runway trying to get anything but a 3 point landing

All that being said Gulfstream says this is a next generation wing and that it will provide fantastic flying qualities in all flight regimes. Seeing as they are the gold-standard of Corporate aircraft (The Gulfstream is to corporate pilots what the Dreamliner is to airline pilots) I suspect it will be amazing.

All of this discussion is moot for me. I'm headed to school on the Lear 45 later this year. The fanciest thing it has is a nearly 20 year old Primus 1000. lol No complaints though. As long as the paychecks keep cashing i'll fly a fieseler storch if the pay is right.

(Look THAT one up you youngsters with your G1000s...

My post were dripping with heavy, heavy !

But, I enjoyed the read.

[ZapBrannigan]

We do a variety of flying. The big "push" each day is between 6:15 and 6:30am. Some of the fleet does "drop offs" at several airports. Later in the week some will do "pick ups" at those same airports -- usually resulting in a full airplane on the way back in. Periodically we will drop and wait. We used to almost never do any overnights, but now seems like we do 2 to 4 per month. The return bank each day is between 17:00 and 17:45. I'm usually home in time for dinner.

The variety of flying is enjoyable. On any given day you might find yourself at Dulles, Logan, O'Hare or Midway, and on the same day some podunk airport in the middle of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, New Mexico.... Usually fly 30-70 hours per month.

Other flight department duties are available to those who are motivated, but not required.

It is what you make of it. I'll never be able to fly an airplane like the G650, but i'll probably be home to watch my kid grow up. I'm the first to admit I miss flying airplanes with more creature comforts - but i'm not a shiny jet syndrome kind of guy. That would be a lousy reason to give up quality of life.

PM if you want additional detail.

[ZapBrannigan]

Max,

I know you said you were just being sarcastic, but it is interesting that a nearly 100,000 pound aircraft would be designed without leading edge devices. Anyhow, I found the following to add on to our discussion:

As with previous Gulfstream aircraft, the G650 will not be fitted with high-lift leading edge devices, in spite of its greater wing sweep angle. Generously sized trailing edge Fowler flaps are fitted, featuring no externally visible linkages when the flaps are retracted. The aircraft's relatively moderate wing loading and large area flaps will enable the aircraft to have comparatively low V speeds and competitive runway performance.

[Polar742]

Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan

As long as the paychecks keep cashing i'll fly a fieseler storch if the pay is right.

Truer words for aviation never spoken.

Also, with a Storch, you could keep it at the house as it could Takeoff and Land in the backyard. Danke, Der Vaterland!!

[stuckingfk]

Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan

Max,

I know you said you were just being sarcastic, but it is interesting that a nearly 100,000 pound aircraft would be designed without leading edge devices. Anyhow, I found the following to add on to our discussion:

As with previous Gulfstream aircraft, the G650 will not be fitted with high-lift leading edge devices, in spite of its greater wing sweep angle. Generously sized trailing edge Fowler flaps are fitted, featuring no externally visible linkages when the flaps are retracted. The aircraft's relatively moderate wing loading and large area flaps will enable the aircraft to have comparatively low V speeds and competitive runway performance.

That's why the GV doesn't ride the greatest in turbulence, because the wing is huge!

Great short field performance and landing distance is good too.