ok got the oral portion for IRF end of course tom.

taseal · May 6th, 2008, 15:43

alright. I was told to file to X07 (lake wales)

is there anything I'm missing?

its HWO-X07. The only thing I see is, its under MOA, and afaik IFR doesn't fly through MOAs. so how does that work? how do I go to airports inside of it? (I guess when the airport is inside of one, it is an exception?)

and there are no preffered routes for it, so I guess its VOR to VOR for this flight?

thx!

I feel pretty confident, I think it should go all well

Maurus · May 6th, 2008, 17:46

Just take V-511 up to the destination. Don't forget to plan V511 till your IAP.

V511 will keep you clear of the restricted airspace. Notice the floor of the Lake Placid MOA is 7000Ft. The MEA of V-511 is 5000Ft and then lowers to 4000Ft in the MOA so planning for 6000Ft will keep you clear of the MOA and plenty high for the MEA.

tgrayson · May 6th, 2008, 18:36

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Originally Posted by taseal

IFR doesn't fly through MOAs

Sure it does, if they're not active. If they are, ATC will route you around 'em.

taseal · May 6th, 2008, 22:01

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Originally Posted by Maurus

Just take V-511 up to the destination. Don't forget to plan V511 till your IAP.

V511 will keep you clear of the restricted airspace. Notice the floor of the Lake Placid MOA is 7000Ft. The MEA of V-511 is 5000Ft and then lowers to 4000Ft in the MOA so planning for 6000Ft will keep you clear of the MOA and plenty high for the MEA.

sweet... i would have prolly missed the floor of the MOA there. thanks man..

Maurus · May 6th, 2008, 23:12

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Originally Posted by taseal

sweet... i would have prolly missed the floor of the MOA there. thanks man..

No problem. Good thing I still had my charts from Southern Florida from earlier this year

taseal · May 7th, 2008, 01:18

man, I guess its time for bed. Hopefully it'll be alright. I get way overstressed about these things.

taseal · May 7th, 2008, 01:50

guys I have a question about that app (x07)

why is it -B? I don't see a VOR-A or anything, so shouldn't it be -A?

and also...

lets say we were coming in from 140 radial. (or 030) we are told, cleared for the full app.

i would fly direct to VOR, and I would do the course reversal at the hold, and fly outbound on that 104 radial. thing is, why can't you just hit the VOR, and fly the 104 outbound? do you HAVE to do the course reversal? it would save bunch of time if I could just track 104 outbound when I hit the VOR...

here is the chart:

http://www.airnav.com/depart?http://.../06516VDGB.PDF

i'll be using the Jepp for it.

tgrayson · May 7th, 2008, 13:22

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Originally Posted by taseal

why is it -B? I don't see a VOR-A or anything, so shouldn't it be -A?

Not necessarily. If there's an NDB-A, then you won't have a VOR-A. Or if there's a VOR-A at another airport for the same city, you wouldn't get one too.

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thing is, why can't you just hit the VOR, and fly the 104 outbound? do you HAVE to do the course reversal?

Yes, you must do the course reversal. Three reasons:

1) The segment from the VOR to MONAY is the intermediate segment and there's a steady ramping down of the protected area from the VOR to the FAF. If you come in at a high speed with a tailwind, you may exceed the protected area for the large turn you have to make and hit something.

2) One of the reasons for an intermediate segment is to get the aircraft aligned and stabilized in preparing for final descent. You'd be cutting that short to do as you suggest, increasing the possibility of a poorly executed approach.

3) It's against the law.