CFI in China possibility to upgrade to regional jets

[Aviator_]

Hello All,

This is my first post; apologies if posted in the wrong place.

I am considering taking a CFI position in China with the possibility to upgrade into a regional jet with a Chinese airline.

Please provide feedback if anyone has done any CFI work and/or contract F/O work in China.

pros, cons, challenges, issues, etc...

Regards,
Aviator_

[SteveC]

Yeah, wrong place. I'll move it for ya, this time. We always cut the new guys some slack.

"Folks, it's "Jobs Available". If you're not posting an available job, please choose the appropriate forum."

[taseal]

there are many places that do it here.

you CFI for a year (if that much) and apply at bunch of places. 1 will take you in no doubt

[av8sean]

If you're talking about PanAm China, do some research on it via the search thread on this site, as well as pprune.org. A lot of negative things to deal with working for Chinese and in China, but looks interesting if you want an adventure!

[Red-Baron]

I was considering this CFI Job in China as well, it was last year. I send my application and got in touch with them. It turned out that the pay and benefits which they offered at first, was finally a totally different story, and the best thing, the upgrade into a jet after one or two years was in question!!!!

From my point of view there is only one thing to say, STAY AWAY!!!

As mentioned above, there is a very interesting report about this CFI Job in China on pprune.org, it's a must read!

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=306009

[MattB]

I met a guy at an interview about a year ago that did the China cfi thing. He told me some amazingly scary stories. Not just involving the students but the examiners and the corporate structure of the company. I would find somebody that has been there and talk to them directly.

[Polar742]

FWIW, I have never worked for a Chinese company, nor been based in China, nor have I flown inland China. I have flown into coastal China, and of course, HKG.

Let's say you can navigate the political waters, and deal with their cultural differences. From your post, I'm guessing your a lesser experienced guy. Here's the scenario I'll pose, based on things I've seen and learned about.

It's night time, flying an airway that terminates in a bearing from a NDB station, to a DME fix off an unrelated VOR followed by a second VOR radial to a DME, which you take a turn to a heading to intercept an ILS. ATC, while they have radar, their English is questionable, and vectors may not be A1 first class. BTW, there's mountain's out there, it's raining and your Captain may or may not speak English in a vernacular you can understand.

Flying in the developing Airway systems of China and India require a VERY high level of SA, and experience to keep yourself alive and out of trouble. It may be a bit of overload situation for a lower experienced pilot. I'm not saying it's impossible, because we all have to cut our teeth some how, but there are other stepping stones that are exponentially safer than being a CFI that transitions to FO in China.

Best of luck no matter what the decision.

[perpetual]

Avoid the two following Flight "err" Academies in China

1.) Beijing Pan Am International Flight Academy

and

2.) Shenzhen Kunpeng International Flight Academy


Additionally: ALL so-called "Flight Academies" in China, are Mismanaged, Filled with utter incompetence, complete and total inability to do things "correctly" and the single SOLE reason for this is Incompetent Chinese Management.

This AND the problems of the CAAC ATC and Military (which is actually a push over and a joke in of itself) are the two other Major contributing factors to the successive failure of these two err "schools."

Also do note that at Shenzhen Kunpeng International Flight Academy, you have ABSOLUTELY ZERO Chance of flying with the "airline" after your contract. This has been created in the older contracts as a "lure" to bring in potential CFI's.

The new contract has removed it completely (something that most of you that may be considering as a viable reason to even come to China in the first place) because the company can no longer hide behind the false promises it once held.

There are two locations that are currently "viable" and actually only "one" of them is in somewhat of an operational status and that is "Jiu Tian International Flight Academy." The other one is called Sky Blue aviation, however it has not begun operations yet, but will be doing so in the near future.

Again, the post that the Red Baron above has referenced to should enlighten you ALL to the reality of the situation at Pan Am and Shenzhen Kunpeng.

Pan Am has just recently had another aircraft crash / accident due to extremely poor decision making and poor piloting skills by the Chinese Military Instructor Conversion pilots. Kunpeng Flight school will not be far behind when their "so-called" military pilots become "flight instructors"

Fly safely in Canada, America, Korea, Malaysia, Thailand, and Europe. China should be your "last" option.

-Perpetual

[skylee4652002]

yes correct try not to go there to work in the chinese area especially the student from main land china, they are really bad and you will sudden lost a job if you are not careful watch out

[Cav]

Originally Posted by Polar742

It's night time, flying an airway that terminates in a bearing from a NDB station, to a DME fix off an unrelated VOR followed by a second VOR radial to a DME, which you take a turn to a heading to intercept an ILS. ATC, while they have radar, their English is questionable, and vectors may not be A1 first class. BTW, there's mountain's out there, it's raining and your Captain may or may not speak English in a vernacular you can understand.

Ugghh. Sounds like a REALLY REALLY bad version of central Mexico. That's probably even a bad comparison.

[BajtheJino]

I loved China and kick myself for leaving. I would go back if I could. But I hate F.I. so there ya go.
My good friend is the C.P. of JFTA so I have nothing to say about that place. When you go to someones else's country you can't play by your rules anymore and most people don't get that so you get the amount of frustration that most people report. They think because they're some hot-shot F.I. the world revolves around them when in fact it never will.
So long story short-stay away from Kungpeng. Pan Am, I would have no problem telling someone to give it a shot.

[Toonces]

Originally Posted by BajtheJino

I loved China and kick myself for leaving. I would go back if I could. But I hate F.I. so there ya go.
My good friend is the C.P. of JFTA so I have nothing to say about that place. When you go to someones else's country you can't play by your rules anymore and most people don't get that so you get the amount of frustration that most people report. They think because they're some hot-shot F.I. the world revolves around them when in fact it never will.
So long story short-stay away from Kungpeng. Pan Am, I would have no problem telling someone to give it a shot.

Word.

Kabobs at the quickie mart and the Brazilian BBQ. Mmmmmmm
I miss China

[Toonces]

Does anybody have pictures of the new terminal in the shizzy? I left as they were starting it. I heard it was built for overflow expected from flights to Beijing for the olympics.

[BajtheJino]

Originally Posted by Toonces

Word.

Kabobs at the quickie mart and the Brazilian BBQ. Mmmmmmm
I miss China

Coal flavored kabobs-mmmmm.


I miss Chinese ladies.
Ta-da, ta-da...