No more Frontier flights for Republic

[mrmeschi]

Well on the bright side its that much more practice for the oral!

[Dan208B]

Haha good call! No excuse now!

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by Dan208B

Haha good call! No excuse now!

There werent going to be any anyways right?

[Dan208B]

Originally Posted by meyers9163

There werent going to be any anyways right?

There's always some decent excuse. "the systems guy never mentioned anything about an electrical system...."

[PCL_128]

How can they terminate those pilots? Does your contract not define your class date as your date of hire? I've got the agreement, but I'm too lazy to look it up.

[Dan208B]

Originally Posted by PCL_128

How can they terminate those pilots? Does your contract not define your class date as your date of hire? I've got the agreement, but I'm too lazy to look it up.

Honestly we've all had such a day I dont even know. I think since they are on probation the union cant do much for them. (not that our union would anyways).

[Airdale]

Well, I started Day 1 of a 5 day Reserve week yesterday, and today I was called for an out and back and tomorrow I start a 3 day. I already have a trip assigned for next week as well blocking 20 hours. My guess is that once those guys in DEN spread out through the system, we may see a slow down. I may see more then a few months of reserve.

Either way it sucks, but I don't think those of us already here at RAH are in trouble. I do however rest uneasy because the oil prices continue to rise, with no signs of slowing down. These pricks at the oil companies are literally ringing our necks for every friggin penny they can get. I pray to God every night that our other codeshares, Legacy carriers at that, can weather the storm and bring us with them. All it would take is one those code shares to dump us or start reducing our flying, and those of us here at RAH with less than a year are going to be swimming the giant pool of unemployed pilots.

If its going to happen, let it happen before I lose my chance to go back Active duty in the Coast Guard. Thats my plan B.

We can all sit here and say the Bedford is smart and that he's a great CEO. But as long as our planes are painted in the colors of other companies, Bedford has no control over where the money is coming from. Screw the oil companies man....screw'em.

[BobDDuck]

Originally Posted by PCL_128

How can they terminate those pilots? Does your contract not define your class date as your date of hire? I've got the agreement, but I'm too lazy to look it up.

I'm pretty certain I remember reading that their DOH is not until they pass either their oral or their type ride. Sort of sketchy if you ask me.

Originally Posted by Airdale

I already have a trip assigned for next week as well blocking 20 hours.

How can they assign trips a week out when you are on reserve? Do you guys not have biddable open time over there?

[Dan208B]

Yeah, RAH interprets everything the way they want it. DOH is listed on our IDs and for seniority as the 1st day of class, but when it comes to this, they wont count it. Same with their definition of "training" when it comes to pay...

[Kingairer]

You are probabtionary as a first year pilot and can be terminated for any reason.

[777forever]

Originally Posted by UPSpilot

I do. It's called China and India.

A United Captain told me today if you're young and single to get out of the US ASAP

[pilatus028]

Originally Posted by 777forever

A United Captain told me today if you're young and single to get out of the US ASAP

Turbine required? I don't have any, but don't mind going abroad. I never went away for college.

[MusketeerMan]

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

How can they assign trips a week out when you are on reserve? Do you guys not have biddable open time over there?

They take the open time that was most likely set aside for IOE rides and if/when they don't need that time for IOE, they'll usually assign it to guys who they want to get off of green status. It makes sense to me and I'm sure the guys on reserve like it as well.

Yes, we have biddable open time...

[Polar742]

RAH fired probies out of senioirty order (all SF3) pilots in 2001. The union took them to court, and lost. The company did, however, follow through on their promise to re-hire eveyone.

[777forever]

Originally Posted by pilatus028

Turbine required? I don't have any, but don't mind going abroad. I never went away for college.

In almost all cases Type Rating and ATP required.

[SIUAv8r]

Originally Posted by MusketeerMan

They take the open time that was most likely set aside for IOE rides and if/when they don't need that time for IOE, they'll usually assign it to guys who they want to get off of green status. It makes sense to me and I'm sure the guys on reserve like it as well.

Yes, we have biddable open time...

Because of this practice, we have NO reserve coverage. That is not how reserve is supposed to work.

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by SIUAv8r

Because of this practice, we have NO reserve coverage. That is not how reserve is supposed to work.

EXACTLY! Hence what Ethan was getting at..... that's a very flawed system.....


side note.... what's up tim!

[BobDDuck]

Originally Posted by meyers9163

EXACTLY! Hence what Ethan was getting at..... that's a very flawed system.....

Actually, that's not what I was getting at.

My point was that if they assign trips to reserves several weeks out, there are fewer trips in open time for line holders to pick up on their days off, or trade into their schedule for line improvement.

[SIUAv8r]

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

Actually, that's not what I was getting at.

My point was that if they assign trips to reserves several weeks out, there are fewer trips in open time for line holders to pick up on their days off, or trade into their schedule for line improvement.

You are exactly right, and when reserves already have schedules, we can't drop anything either if something comes up. We have this new 'automated' trip trading system, and every time someone tries to drop a trip, the same denial reason comes out...No reserve coverage.

Hey Paul, everything is good, how are you?

[kellwolf]

Wow. Republic seems to work very much like Pinnacle. DOH is your checkride date, but your seniority date is first day of class. Which means it's more than likely the same as Pinnacle in that between those two dates you're an independent contractor. Their reserve policy seems to be pretty much that same, too: use reserves to cover open time, thus leaving the line holders less open time to bid on. I've seen NUMEROUS times where I've put in for an open time trip only to get "no longer in open time" a few days later b/c they assigned it to some reserve. If they give it to a reserve guy, it's not costing them any extra. If they give it to a line holder, it's almost always over guarantee.

[SIUAv8r]

Originally Posted by kellwolf

Wow. Republic seems to work very much like Pinnacle. DOH is your checkride date, but your seniority date is first day of class. Which means it's more than likely the same as Pinnacle in that between those two dates you're an independent contractor. Their reserve policy seems to be pretty much that same, too: use reserves to cover open time, thus leaving the line holders less open time to bid on. I've seen NUMEROUS times where I've put in for an open time trip only to get "no longer in open time" a few days later b/c they assigned it to some reserve. If they give it to a reserve guy, it's not costing them any extra. If they give it to a line holder, it's almost always over guarantee.

Actually DOH is first day of class as well as seniority here.

[meyers9163]

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

My point was that if they assign trips to reserves several weeks out, there are fewer trips in open time for line holders to pick up on their days off, or trade into their schedule for line improvement.

Hence a flawed system?

Also isnt open time here first come first serve? What's wrong with that... if one on reserve wants to pick up the trip on their days off etc? Or are you just saying for them to bid for it as far as there's a trip and they can actually take that trip up during their reserve days?

Tim I'll holla at ya tonight.....

[SIUAv8r]

Paul, ill be busy tonight, give me a shout earlier if you can...gonna be on the road later...goin' to Talladega for nascar this weekend.

[777forever]

Reserve guys at ASA can't bid on opentime. Line holders can pick up opentime and make money out the wazoo...

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by MusketeerMan

They take the open time that was most likely set aside for IOE rides and if/when they don't need that time for IOE, they'll usually assign it to guys who they want to get off of green status. It makes sense to me and I'm sure the guys on reserve like it as well.

Yes, we have biddable open time...

Andy is right, if you're a green crewmember, they will put open time on your reserve schedule to get you off of green as quickly as possible. It sucks if you're a line holder and want open time, but from the company stand point, it makes sense because they avoid having to send you back for a PC or placing you in a green on green situation.

For us new guys, it gives us a chance to get some more time in the airplane before sitting on our hands on reserve. I've tried to bid for open time next month and I tried to pick up a dropped trip but was denied. Apparently a reserve holder can not pick up a drop trip from a line holder. Which is silly because a line holder is looking to get those days off, and here you have a reserve guy itching to fly. You should be able to pick up that trip.