Training and Ratings

[Ducky]

I wanted to ask is it the best way to get your PPL SEL and then a MEL add-on? thereafter, then start your instrument, comm. and CFI/CFII?

Would that be cheaper?

[dc3flyer]

It is cheaper to get the instrument first. The instrument rating takes a lot of flight time, and if you get it first, you only have to do an apporach on your multi ride to get the instrument rating extended to your ticket.

On the same note, I would recommend you get your commercial single first, and then when you take the multi ride, you get the commercial multi and instrument rating.

[Ducky]

so you mean PPL SEL then COMM. SEL then INSTRUM. then COMM MEL then CFI/CFII?

[MikeOH58]

Unless you actually have the opportunity to fly a multi on a regular basis and it would be worth your while, then I would hold off on the multi rating. If you are doing this for a career than you can do the multi add on eventually, but if there is no opportunity to fly one, why waste the money just for the sake of having it.

[vheissu]

Definitely get the Instrument done after the PPL. I personally took my Initial Commercial in a twin, then after that was over I jumped in a 172 for the CSEL. It all depends on what you are wanting to do after you get the ticket. If you plan on instructing I would get the CSEL, and maybe have the school help out with the multi stuff after you get your CFI.. Lots of places are willing to do that nowadays. I guess the plus of getting your PPL Multi would be some extra PIC time, but that is about it.

[Maurus]

If you are going to fly for a career, just get all your single engine commercial license and instrument rating. Then go and get your commercial/instrument multi-engine add-on. It is the cheapest way and you will have your multi-engine ratings between 10 and 20 hours of flight in the multi.

[Ducky]

thanks all!

[Ducky]

got another question. please help!

I have an FBO Part 141 in mind close to home that I will get all the ratings from PPL-CFI/II, MEI/II for about $40g's. The program hours listed below.

I don't want the g1000 in the program but hopefully try to substitute for a cheaper 172 w/o g1000. So the TT is 266? Does sim time counts too?

After comparing other flight academies (ATP,etc...) their costs is double. BUT, for that same price at my local FBO I can save a few g's and spend it on 100 hours to rent (Time-building package) for both SE/ME. To ballpark, I would spend around $60g's at my FBO and have around 4xx hundred and 7x multi. than ATP?

Would that be the best way for price-wise? I mean ATP and FBO would be ok to me just that about the hours you get.

215 hours in Cessna 172s
5 hours in Cessna 182 NavIII with Garmin G1000 avionics
13 hours in Piper PA28R-200 Arrow
23 hours in Piper PA44-180 Seminole
10 hours in Personal Computer-Assisted Flight Training Device

[DE727UPS]

ATP uses a "ground trainer" for 50 of the 190 hours in the their program. It doesn't count as flight time. I'd invite an ATPer to correct me if I'm wrong, of if they have changed things, but that's how I understand it.

The reason your FBO is cheaper is the it's not ATP, for one, and secondly, because there is less multi time (expensive) involved.

I'd strongly suggest you stick with the local FBO. Pay as you go. Get your CFI. And don't worry about multi time at the moment. You can build that later as you see how things are going down the road.

ATP marketing jumps up and down about the high multi time you get, but only 140 is in an airplane. That's still a lot and sets their program apart. But I don't think that's worth the extra money in the end.

[SpiraMirabilis]

I went to ATP and agree with Don. ATP did work for me but was more expensive than others and I might have done it a different way if I had it to do over. If money isn't an object though ATP is pretty good -- although really if money is no object there are places like FSA that are nicer.
And there are a number of schools who will pay for your MEI if you instruct for them for 6mo-1yr.

[Ducky]

Wwwwweeeellllll finally I have made my mind and not to go to atp...I have reasearched intensivly and ask questions but made my mind up.

Thanks for all who had helped me making my decision.

For the same price @ atp, I can get all my ratings and have about 456 hours TT and about 123 ME time at my local FBO and the time-building at skymates.

[PatrickCPS]

Absolutely get your IFR ticket first in a single, then gain the multi rating and competency. Not to knock any other school's training programs, but any wise perspective student should do the math and break down the training cost and hours logged, and factor things in such as AATD time, safety pilot time (of which Career Pilot School has none of), the cost of flight and ground instruction, etc.

Its important to note that there is no "right way" to go about this. There are many options in the flight training world and you need to decide what is going to work best for you. Do your homework, and make your decision wisely.

[Maurus]

Originally Posted by Ducky

got another question. please help!

I have an FBO Part 141 in mind close to home that I will get all the ratings from PPL-CFI/II, MEI/II for about $40g's. The program hours listed below.

I don't want the g1000 in the program but hopefully try to substitute for a cheaper 172 w/o g1000. So the TT is 266? Does sim time counts too?

After comparing other flight academies (ATP,etc...) their costs is double. BUT, for that same price at my local FBO I can save a few g's and spend it on 100 hours to rent (Time-building package) for both SE/ME. To ballpark, I would spend around $60g's at my FBO and have around 4xx hundred and 7x multi. than ATP?

Would that be the best way for price-wise? I mean ATP and FBO would be ok to me just that about the hours you get.

215 hours in Cessna 172s
5 hours in Cessna 182 NavIII with Garmin G1000 avionics
13 hours in Piper PA28R-200 Arrow
23 hours in Piper PA44-180 Seminole
10 hours in Personal Computer-Assisted Flight Training Device

I would keep the C-182

It is only 5 hours, and in that time you will get your high performance sign off and some somewhat valuable G1000 time.

[nkoenig]

Originally Posted by Ducky

Wwwwweeeellllll finally I have made my mind and not to go to atp...I have reasearched intensivly and ask questions but made my mind up.

Thanks for all who had helped me making my decision.

For the same price @ atp, I can get all my ratings and have about 456 hours TT and about 123 ME time at my local FBO and the time-building at skymates.

Ducky

Where have you decided to go??

[Ducky]

hey!

I've decided to go to anson air.

Originally Posted by nkoenig

Ducky

Where have you decided to go??

[MISTER-T-TRAN]

i too are going there.

[mojo6911]

Good luck. There are lots of knowledgeable posters in the CFI Corner, so don't forget to ask any training questions you may have down there.