Future regional hiring

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by aloft

Great, so you come from money. We should all be so lucky.

Why are you giving him a hard time?

[Kristie]

Originally Posted by aloft

Great, so you come from money. We should all be so lucky.

Enough Matt... he didn't say that. Remember what "assume" means... Let's not go further than we are now mmmkay? don't make us start dishing out "be nice to your fellow user" quotes! oh wait.. i just did...shoot!

[Chris_Ford]

Originally Posted by aloft

Great, so you come from money. We should all be so lucky.

Wow, jealous much? This "kid" is doing something with his life. I say, good on 'im.

[Kristie]

I don't really feel like it's jealousy, maybe a smidge of bitterness that probably relates to something else or maybe matt just got off the wrong side of the bed today... who knows?! why dwell? so long as thread stays on track, it's all good.

[Citationkid]

Originally Posted by aloft

Great, so you come from money. We should all be so lucky.

Haha, you have great conversational and people skills No I do not come from money. My parents are both pilots who make a livable salary, but nothing amazing. With two other siblings and their divorce when I was 14, there was no money for my flying. I worked very hard, did a lot of networking, and was lucky enough to meet people along the way that helped me and let me use their airplanes for free or ride right seat with them, even though I didn't log the time. Then I was really luck and had a good, high paying, job fall into my lap. I am not saying this to boast, only so you and others know where I am coming from next time they try to rag on me. FWIW, I have not flown reguarly with either my mother or father in over three years.

Alex.

[MikeOH58]

Citation kid is so rich! awww man...thats sucks! LOSER! The only person you could hang out with in South Park is Token' cuz his parents are rich too! awww mannnn...Look at citation! what a rich guy!

lmfao.

Citation- WTFG man! Sounds like you are doing freaking awesome! keep it bro!

[jtrain609]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Where did you read that?

http://forums.jetcareers.com/airline...-11-class.html

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[Kristie]

Please, i really don't feel like dishing out cards today to you guys (Alex/Aloft) for continuing this conversation.

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Where did you read that?

I can't confirm or deny what John or the guy in that thread spoke of just yet.

I haven't been told not to show up on Monday, and I have a few buddies who are in systems right now who had class today, and they haven't been told not to sure up tomorrow. One friend is in BI right now, and he also was not told to not to show up tomorrow.

Might be unsubstantiated or verifiable information coming out.

[jtrain609]

When folks say, "classes canceled," they don't usually mean current classes, they mean all *future* classes are canceled.

It's incredibly expensive to train somebody, and there's almost never a reason to simply empty the school house and say, "Have a nice life, you're done!" They'll usually let the current folks finish, then they'll weigh their options from there.

That's exactly what Express has done.

[Screaming_Emu]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

My "L'il Dougie" is bigger and girthier than both of yours.

So that's settled!

Lets discuss the topic at hand and not make/take it personal.

I guess we know what Doug's backup plan is :-P

[tonyw]

Look, guys, I don't have any experience in the airline industry, but I do know a thing or two about business cycles and corporate America.

Bear Stearns had to sell itself for less than the value of its headquarters. We are talking about an institution that survived the Great Depression and two world wars that went poof.

What does that tell you about how severe the recession we are entering is going to be?

Now, I hope I'm wrong and that the economy just catches a cold, not pneumonia.

But even if the economy catches just a cold, cyclical companies are going to take a hit. And that means hiring will slow at a minimum. It means layoffs are likely.

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but that's what I think.

Let's put it this way. I don't anticipate my commission checks getting any bigger this year. I just hope I can keep them the same.

[mtsu_av8er]

You guys are all late. The sky has already fallen, and I'm angry about it. Does anybody wanna be angry with me?

[surreal1221]

But TonyW. . .our great leaders won't even say the R-word. How can you say we are in a recession!?!?!

[LoadMasterC141]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

You guys are all late. The sky has already fallen, and I'm angry about it. Does anybody wanna be angry with me?

We only have ourselves to be angry at.

[gtpilot]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

I can't confirm or deny what John or the guy in that thread spoke of just yet.

I haven't been told not to show up on Monday, and I have a few buddies who are in systems right now who had class today, and they haven't been told not to sure up tomorrow. One friend is in BI right now, and he also was not told to not to show up tomorrow.

Might be unsubstantiated or verifiable information coming out.

No 'official' word yet but some of the recent interviewees were told that they were being put into a pool for later classes. And from good ole' Capt'n Dale, they've cancelled any new classes for the foreseeable future. Just means we have a loooooooong time on reserve until they start up again!

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by LoadMasterC141

We only have ourselves to be angry at.

It was a joke . . . lol.

[Murdoughnut]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

Oh hey question for you, think there's any chance that a Masters in Public Admin. that's done online would be looked at as more than a joke? I'm looking into a program through one of the California State University schools right now, looks pretty interesting and since I don't have the time to go to a regular graduate program these days, it looks like a good alternative. Any experience with such a thing?

The big thing is really the accreditation of the school - as long as it's regionally accredited, I don't think you'll have a problem. If it's a state university that otherwise has a regular campus, you'll be fine. The problem has been these nationally accredited, for profit-schools that are handing degrees out like candy. I think an online program such as this would probably be a good idea, though. Let me know if I can be of help.

[GlenWimpy]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

That's a fairly long and complicated discussion that I've been having with Emily for the last few weeks.

You've got on one hand the group of folks (like Doug) who say, "Don't jump from company to company! Get in, get your TPIC time and get out. The company threatens furlough to get you to give up your pay rate and work rules, so don't buy the hype! You will most likely have nothing happen to you."

Then you've got folks on the other side of that discussion that say, "If you see things crashing down around you, don't wait to bail! If you do, the folks junior to you will be senior at the next company!" Amber's husband saw this, and made the jump to Delta from TWA. In hindsight, good move.

Right now I'm waiting to see what happens, though with the latest bit of information we got today about our board of directors, it's not looking pretty. There's a part of me that isn't willing to do this job for any less, and that's exactly what I'd be doing if I left this place and went somewhere else. There's also the very realistic chance that I'd be flying an even larger aircraft for less money than I am currently. There's another part of me that says "get out now, you need health insurance!" but who's to say that I won't simply be on the bottom of another seniority list when the furlough bus pulls up to that place and starts hauling folks off.

Honestly? I figure if I'm booted out the door, I've got options. What's the WORST thing that happens to me?

-ExpressJet furloughs.
-I can't get on at Compass.
-I can't get on at Republic.
-I can't get on at Mesaba.
-I don't go back to Amflight (even though I'm eligible for rehire)
-I can't find a flight instructing job
-I can't get a job as a ski instructor
-I can't get into grad school
-I can't get a job doing IT

If all that happens, then, well, I can pretty much replace my income while working at Wendy's, so I'm not gonna stress TOO much. But there are plans A through H.

If you can't get another flying job , perhaps you could be a professional talker.

[N8081G]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

BTW To everybody that's going to skip instructing, or towing banners, or throwing meat missiles or aerial survey:

What are you going to do when me and 300 other ExpressJet guys are on the street in October and are better qualified for the jobs you're seeking? Go back to...oh wait, you didn't instruct, or tow banners, or throw meat missiles, or do aerial survey, or anything else for that matter.

I know exactly what I'll be doing, and have plan A, B and C ready to rock already.

Not to sound like a prick but didn't you majored in philosophy or something like that? Don't know if you were being sarcastic about it but having a major in that subject area won't really pay zee billss!!

To each his own. If someone wants to take the fast route and don't want to CFI then thats his/her decision. If him/her gets laid off, then thats his/her problem. If you haven't noticed, working hard to get where you are is now "old fashioned" and if you chose that route, you are considered a "sucker". Survival of the fittest aye!!

[N8081G]

Originally Posted by JA Yawd Bwoy

Although I am a youngster who has not even got his PPL yet, I think that too many fellow youngsters, and even the oldies who wan't to get into the industry immediatly have a very severe case of SHINY-JET-SYNDROME. What evey happend to the CFI's that actually wanted to teach? What ever happened to the guys who were flying C-152's and were just as happy as the guy flying the 744?

I really hope that mins get back up to 1000/200 because then pilot's would actually work for their ratings and get to understand that flying for a Airline means nothing if you cannot fly a Cessna properly. It may sound stupid to fellow young pilots, but it is out of concern of people who neglect the small aspects of flying neglecting the bigger aspects because like I have said in previous post, there will ALWAYS be PILOT ERROR's.

I can very easily say that I do not wan't to be in the same airspace as the person who only cares that they are flying a jet, but rather with someone who has that Perfectionist attitude so to speak. The type of guy who actually care's how the PAX in the back are enjoying the flight, and actually care's to make a greaser landing instead of tearing the LG off.

Anyways great post

Oh btw. I keep hearing people who say they don't want to go to college because it is going to slow their advancement toward the regionals. Well HELLLOOOOO you practically only go to school a couple days a week, and what ever happened to summer and spring breaks? people are just lazy. I have plans to go to Vaughn College next year fall (going to an open house next month) and I am in no rush because by the time I step out of college, I should be stepping into a regional (or so I plan it). Anyways Jtrain is right in the future there are going to be people like me who have a 4 year college degree, CFI, CFII, MEI, and many things to go with it, who do you really think the airline is going to choose if you do not have atleast those things?

HA! Anyways, you are still really young!! Hopefully you will come around.

[jtrain609]

Originally Posted by N8081G

Not to sound like a prick but didn't you majored in philosophy or something like that? Don't know if you were being sarcastic about it but having a major in that subject area won't really pay zee billss!!

To each his own. If someone wants to take the fast route and don't want to CFI then thats his/her decision. If him/her gets laid off, then thats his/her problem. If you haven't noticed, working hard to get where you are is now "old fashioned" and if you chose that route, you are considered a "sucker". Survival of the fittest aye!!

Philosophy is a pre-law degree, as are history, English, and most social science degree's. I'm also fully planning on having a masters degree done here in another 2-3 years which would help out if/when I need to/want to get out of this job.

I refuse to be married to any job. I'm marrying TheShortOne, not my RJ.

[aloft]

Ok, so, I'm apparently an arsehole for calling out Alex for stuff like logging 20+ hrs of turbine time and even 6 hrs of jet time before he even soloed a C-152. I still think it's intellectually and professionally dishonest, but whatever.

Chalk it up to not having slept in my own bed since Thanksgiving, and having spent only 5 days with my gf since then.

And to the fact that I'm not one of those skipping instructing or towing banners or throwing meat missiles or aerial survey, yet will still be competing unfavorably with JTrain and the other 300 ExpressJet dudes on the street come October.

[DE727UPS]

"Ok, so, I'm apparently an arsehole for calling out Alex for stuff like logging 20+ hrs of turbine time and even 6 hrs of jet time before he even soloed a C-152. I still think it's intellectually and professionally dishonest"

What anyone thinks isn't really the point. What the FAR's say is. I logged a bit of AC690 "dual instruction" when I was a PPL. It was perfectly legal per the FAR's. Yep, it was twin turbine time.

Citationkid has been around here since he was.....really a kid. His post are positive, upbeat, and without flames. I don't see why anyone would want to "call him out". If I remember right, his father is a pilot with the state and his mother is an airline pilot. You might think that could lead to some extra special connections in the flying community that not everyone has. If I remember right, he's experienced an engine failure and had a crashish landing in the rockies, which is more than I can say for myself, outside the sim.

Anyhow, that's how I see it. This site gets waaay to personal waaaay to often.

[Firebird2XC]

Originally Posted by mikecweb

Gotta go with Mike and Chris on this one.

Sheesh. Have we heard this before or what?