Hired with low time

faceof5 · March 10th, 2008, 02:57

Just thought I'd share that I have two friends that just got hired at AE. One with 290TT and barely 20 ME, and the other with 380TT and 45ME.

Crazy isn't it. All they did was send their resumes in and apply. No special connections or anything. I guess their published mins of 400TT and 50ME aren't set in stone

ZachH · March 10th, 2008, 03:22

Flying RJ's ? I'm not quite sure of AE's aeroplanes....

SpiraMirabilis · March 10th, 2008, 03:25

Don't worry, each flight has an instructor pilot--err Captain on board.

faceof5 · March 10th, 2008, 03:37

Is it really that crazy? I don't think anyone would pass the opportunity down. Who's going to say "oh please, thank you for the job offer but I don't feel I have enough time..."

The Captain is there anyways. I don't think it's such a terrible thing. I don't they would hire them if they felt they weren't competent or safe.

ComplexHiAv8r · March 10th, 2008, 04:06

Did they attend an RJ course, or being sent to one by AE?

SpiraMirabilis · March 10th, 2008, 04:15

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Originally Posted by ComplexHiAv8r

Did they attend an RJ course, or being sent to one by AE?

if they didnt go to one they're being sent to one.

Piperflyer · March 10th, 2008, 05:57

wow, I guess Eagle is short lately...

mtsu_av8er · March 10th, 2008, 05:58

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Originally Posted by faceof5

Is it really that crazy?

Yes.

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I don't think anyone would pass the opportunity down.

Some people do/did.

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Who's going to say "oh please, thank you for the job offer but I don't feel I have enough time..."

Me.

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The Captain is there anyways.

It's a two-pilot operation. The Captain has other crap (s)he should be doing other than "monitoring" the FO.

minitour · March 10th, 2008, 06:24

Why did you apply if you felt you weren't qualified (too low time) for the job?

-mini

UND_Flyer · March 10th, 2008, 06:31

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Originally Posted by faceof5

Just thought I'd share that I have two friends that just got hired at AE. One with 290TT and barely 20 ME, and the other with 380TT and 45ME.

At American Eagle Outfitters? The Clothing Store?

wrxpilot · March 10th, 2008, 10:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by faceof5

Just thought I'd share that I have two friends that just got hired at AE. One with 290TT and barely 20 ME, and the other with 380TT and 45ME.

Crazy isn't it. All they did was send their resumes in and apply. No special connections or anything. I guess their published mins of 400TT and 50ME aren't set in stone

Crazy? I don't know. Scary? Hell yes!

coa787 · March 10th, 2008, 11:04

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Originally Posted by wrxpilot

Crazy? I don't know. Scary? Hell yes!

For the pilots or the pax?

surreal1221 · March 10th, 2008, 11:16

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Originally Posted by minitour

Why did you apply if you felt you weren't qualified (too low time) for the job?

-mini

Great question. . .but I think Lloyd is simply trying to say that he would have turned down an offer. . .I don't think he ever applied, but that's just a formality.

Red-Baron · March 10th, 2008, 11:33

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Just thought I'd share that I have two friends that just got hired at AE. One with 290TT and barely 20 ME, and the other with 380TT and 45ME.

You know that’s a common thing here in Europe, e.g. the Lufthansa guys have about 250 hr total time when they hop into an Airbus 320 or even Boeing 747 cockpit.

Is it safe? Well, I don’t know, I’d say most of the time (or as long as nothing unusual happens) it appears to go well. But what if something unusual happens? Ohoh, as the following youtube video shows, a twenty-four year old female FO just entered line service performing (or trying to perform) a crosswind landing in an Airbus 320 @ Hamburg Airport (Germany). As things started to get too ugly the Captain aborted the landing and fortunately took evasive action.

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=nNR0a4TMxeA

Happy Landings

Ophir · March 10th, 2008, 11:37

WOW! I'm shocked.

MusketeerMan · March 10th, 2008, 12:03

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Originally Posted by faceof5

The Captain is there anyways. I don't think it's such a terrible thing. I don't they would hire them if they felt they weren't competent or safe.

An interview doesn't show if your competent or safe. Training doesn't even really show if your competent or safe. Sim's don't really show if you're safe. Flying the airplane and handling the real situations is where you show if you're competent or safe.

beechpilot84 · March 10th, 2008, 12:09

I think the FAA should make 121 requirements the same as 135. 1200tt to fly boxes and 300 tt to fly people, doesnt make sense.

aloft · March 10th, 2008, 12:20

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Originally Posted by beechpilot84

I think the FAA should make 121 requirements the same as 135. 1200tt to fly boxes and 300 tt to fly people, doesnt make sense.

You're making an apples (PIC) to oranges (SIC) comparison. That 1200 TT to fly boxes is for a PIC; the PIC under 121 has to have 1500 hrs and an ATP. The apples-to-apples comparison would be 135 SIC to 121 SIC; there are no experience requirements for either.

Airdale · March 10th, 2008, 12:31

Well, I'm not even going to bother reading all 15 pages of this.

AP2B · March 10th, 2008, 13:08

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The Captain is there anyways.

ZachH · March 10th, 2008, 13:13

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Originally Posted by UND_Flyer

At American Eagle Outfitters? The Clothing Store?

charlie1017 · March 10th, 2008, 13:15

Anybody want some popcorn???

moxiepilot · March 10th, 2008, 13:28

i was just about to grab it.

opcorn:

nevertheless, good on your buddies that got hired

Kristie · March 10th, 2008, 13:34

The question now becomes, will they pass training?

Gonzo · March 10th, 2008, 13:35

I have meet 2,000tt pilots that I wouldn't go up in a 172 in VMC with, and have meet low time pilots that I would have no problem putting my family on a plane in IMC with them.

March 10th, 2008, 02:57	#1
faceof5 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 55	Hired with low time Just thought I'd share that I have two friends that just got hired at AE. One with 290TT and barely 20 ME, and the other with 380TT and 45ME. Crazy isn't it. All they did was send their resumes in and apply. No special connections or anything. I guess their published mins of 400TT and 50ME aren't set in stone

March 10th, 2008, 03:22	#2
ZachH Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Fayetteville Posts: 279	Re: Hired with low time Flying RJ's ? I'm not quite sure of AE's aeroplanes.... __________________ If guns kill people I can blame misspelled words on my pencil - Larry the Cable Guy.

March 10th, 2008, 03:25	#3
SpiraMirabilis Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,122	Re: Hired with low time Don't worry, each flight has an instructor pilot--err Captain on board. __________________ Yet Another Turboprop FO*

March 10th, 2008, 03:37	#4
faceof5 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 55	Re: Hired with low time Is it really that crazy? I don't think anyone would pass the opportunity down. Who's going to say "oh please, thank you for the job offer but I don't feel I have enough time..." The Captain is there anyways. I don't think it's such a terrible thing. I don't they would hire them if they felt they weren't competent or safe.

March 10th, 2008, 04:06	#5
ComplexHiAv8r Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: OH or is it MX?? Posts: 4,509	Re: Hired with low time Did they attend an RJ course, or being sent to one by AE? __________________ Oh, to be home again! Get Busy Living, or Get Busy Dying....

March 10th, 2008, 05:57	#7
Piperflyer Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Centerville UT Posts: 141	Re: Hired with low time wow, I guess Eagle is short lately... __________________ CFI, CFII, MEI, CL-65

March 10th, 2008, 06:24	#9
minitour Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 665	Re: Hired with low time Why did you apply if you felt you weren't qualified (too low time) for the job? -mini

March 10th, 2008, 11:37	#15
Ophir Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: was Ophir, CO, now in SLC! Posts: 1,477	Re: Hired with low time WOW! I'm shocked. __________________ Get in shape on your overnights: http://www.fitnessanywhere.com/Merch...27&AFFIL=Ophir

March 10th, 2008, 12:09	#17
beechpilot84 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Yakima, WA Posts: 48	Re: Hired with low time I think the FAA should make 121 requirements the same as 135. 1200tt to fly boxes and 300 tt to fly people, doesnt make sense. __________________ CFII 900 dual given

March 10th, 2008, 12:31	#19
Airdale Old Skool Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dirty Jerzey Posts: 2,033	Re: Hired with low time Well, I'm not even going to bother reading all 15 pages of this. __________________ " Always Ready " The United States Coast Guard in 3 Minutes.

March 10th, 2008, 13:15	#22
charlie1017 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Cambridge, MA Posts: 381	Re: Hired with low time Anybody want some popcorn??? __________________ Commercial-ASEL-Instrument 250ish hours / 6 ME Grad student

March 10th, 2008, 13:28	#23
moxiepilot Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: CFI / CFII in PA Posts: 2,572	Re: Hired with low time i was just about to grab it. opcorn: nevertheless, good on your buddies that got hired

March 10th, 2008, 13:34	#24
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 17,704 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Hired with low time The question now becomes, will they pass training? __________________ Wife of a Delta B767 ER F/O jetgirls.net

March 10th, 2008, 13:35	#25
Gonzo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,455	Re: Hired with low time I have meet 2,000tt pilots that I wouldn't go up in a 172 in VMC with, and have meet low time pilots that I would have no problem putting my family on a plane in IMC with them. __________________ Got helft dem oreman; er farhit im fun tey'ereh avayres. zolst vern azoy rayd almo'nes man zol zid keyn mol nit zorgen vegn perno'se. Or as some say: bareh nit

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