Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilots...

Chris_Ford · March 6th, 2008, 18:38

Latest news from the ExpressJet side of things. May 1 - July 31 Company Offered Leaves of Absence...

No other details really worth providing, but things aren't looking so rosy over there.

rausda27 · March 6th, 2008, 19:04

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Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

Latest news from the ExpressJet side of things. May 1 - July 31 Company Offered Leaves of Absence...

No other details really worth providing, but things aren't looking so rosy over there.

Dont you mean "over here"?

Clocks · March 6th, 2008, 19:35

Hope they work. If xjet furloughs my number will be on that list for sure.

surreal1221 · March 6th, 2008, 19:43

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Originally Posted by rausda27

Dont you mean "over here"?

Nice! Good eye Dan. . .hell dude. . .Great eye!

Anyway. . .real quickly.

Our most senior guy in our class right now, was an XJT Ground instructor. He commuted from Atlanta, and well, when things slowed down - they offered him to either go back to the line, or leave. He left, as he didn't want to continue to commute for a schedule that he wouldn't be concrete with. He has a few young kids who need his attention, so he came on over to the local team.

wheelsup · March 6th, 2008, 21:20

I hate to say it but I've seen this coming for a long time. I've been against people going there ever since the 69 aircraft announcement was made.

250blue · March 6th, 2008, 21:52

Is this for everyone at XJT or only on the branded side?

Maurus · March 6th, 2008, 22:07

Probably the entire lot of pilots that might want to leave. Would make sense to try and offer it to everyone and not just one side.

This is making me hope that Republic gets into CLE soon for a hub. Would be nice as I would be able to stay at home. Express jet isn't looking too promising these days.

777forever · March 6th, 2008, 22:29

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Originally Posted by wheelsup

I hate to say it but I've seen this coming for a long time. I've been against people going there ever since the 69 aircraft announcement was made.

This is something several members of JC have been saying from the get go, especially Velocipede. Its sad news but hardly a surprise....

Captain_Bob · March 6th, 2008, 22:38

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Originally Posted by Maurus

This is making me hope that Republic gets into CLE soon for a hub.

I hope the best for your commute Maurus, but not at the expense of my company. Regardless... this doesn't mean there will be growth for the other COEX carrier... just take a look at your line value's and block hours. Overall... the only block hours that seem to be increaseing for the "regional" feeds for CAL this year are Colgan's.

The COLA's will typically end up going senior, and they are being offered to anyone on any side of the business (XJT, CAL, DAL). They are being offered for 1-3 months at this time. With a COLA... the following is true:

1. You keep your seniority.
2. You keep your longevity.
3. You keep you base.
4. You only have to pay the exact same amount for insurance... than you are currently.
5. You keep your travel bennies.
6. You don't accumulate sick time or vacation time.

Man... if you are young... and love to travel, or have always wanted to "try" something new for a temporary period of time... then this would be a nice little thing to have right now. Those who took COLA's after 9/11 had nothing but good things to say about the time they took off.

Not trying to paint too rosey of a picture... but... it's obviously better than the dreaded "F" word. Also better than XJT grovelling back to CAL to renegotiate lower rates that would downgrade the industry as a whole and possibly lead to pilot concessions.

To me... it's Manangement taking the next logical step they need to... with the decrease in block hours for this year... without taking any drastic steps and still being able to keep all pilots on a relatively "short call".

Bob

JBUCREW · March 6th, 2008, 22:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by 777forever

This is something several members of JC have been saying from the get go, especially Velocipede. Its sad news but hardly a surprise....

I hate to this again, but I was one of the ones who this that it was going to come to this... as an ex-indy air guy I saw the writing on the wall. I was told by a few exjet guys on the board that I was crazy and exjet was doing great. 50 seat jets just dont make money as a branded project. plain and simple. I just hope exjet can get there sh%$ together and it doesnt get as bad as indy air or midway. best of luck at all exjet guys and gals.

viper548 · March 6th, 2008, 22:46

It's good to hear the company is being proactive and trying to solicit volunteers

SteveC · March 6th, 2008, 22:50

I must be the only one that reads "Cost Of Living Allowance" and says

Velocipede · March 6th, 2008, 22:52

FlyI should be a cautionary tale when surplus jets cause a big push into "branded" flying.

Captain_Bob · March 6th, 2008, 22:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveC

I must be the only one that reads "Cost Of Living Allowance" and says

Sorry Steve...

Company Offered Leave of Absence.

Bob

Proud Pilot · March 6th, 2008, 22:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

I hope the best for your commute Maurus, but not at the expense of my company. Regardless... this doesn't mean there will be growth for the other COEX carrier... just take a look at your line value's and block hours. Overall... the only block hours that seem to be increaseing for the "regional" feeds for CAL this year are Colgan's.

The COLA's will typically end up going senior, and they are being offered to anyone on any side of the business (XJT, CAL, DAL). They are being offered for 1-3 months at this time. With a COLA... the following is true:

1. You keep your seniority.
2. You keep your longevity.
3. You keep you base.
4. You only have to pay the exact same amount for insurance... than you are currently.
5. You keep your travel bennies.
6. You don't accumulate sick time or vacation time.

Man... if you are young... and love to travel, or have always wanted to "try" something new for a temporary period of time... then this would be a nice little thing to have right now. Those who tok COLA's after 9/11 had nothing but good things to say about the time they took off.

Not trying to paint too rosey of a picture... but... it's obviously better than the dreaded "F" word. Also better than XJT grovelling back to CAL to renegotiate lower rates that would downgrade the industry as a whole and possibly lead to pilot concessions.

To me... it's Manangement taking the next logical step they need to... with the decrease in block hours for this year... without taking any drastic steps and still being able to keep all pilots on a relatively "short call".

Bob

No flaming ( HA HA ) intended. But, I love to fly and can't see myself ever doing anything else. I'd want my company to do everything in it's power in order to keep me employed, even if it meant a paycut. Those cuts would only be temporary and I'd have lots of time to make up the difference when I get on with a major.

777forever · March 6th, 2008, 23:00

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Originally Posted by SteveC

I must be the only one that reads "Cost Of Living Allowance" and says

At ASA its called COMA line

mojo6911 · March 6th, 2008, 23:03

Its kind of sad that on an aviation website we get 3 "i told you so"s before we get someone posting a "good luck"

Best wishes to anyone involved.

Seggy · March 6th, 2008, 23:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Proud Pilot

No flaming ( HA HA ) intended. But, I love to fly and can't see myself ever doing anything else. I'd want my company to do everything in it's power in order to keep me employed, even if it meant a paycut. Those cuts would only be temporary and I'd have lots of time to
make up the difference when I get on with a major.

What happens if you can't get on with a major?

jtrain609 · March 6th, 2008, 23:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velocipede

FlyI should be a cautionary tale when surplus jets cause a big push into "branded" flying.

18% of your fleet is not a "big push."

It's not branded that's causing this, it's a reduction in block hours from CAL/Delta.

Stone Cold · March 6th, 2008, 23:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Proud Pilot

No flaming ( HA HA ) intended. But, I love to fly and can't see myself ever doing anything else. I'd want my company to do everything in it's power in order to keep me employed, even if it meant a paycut. Those cuts would only be temporary and I'd have lots of time to make up the difference when I get on with a major.

Oh yeah, this'll get good!!! Who's making popcorn?

Just an FYI, check how long the majors have had their paycuts...

Maurus · March 6th, 2008, 23:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

I hope the best for your commute Maurus, but not at the expense of my company. Regardless... this doesn't mean there will be growth for the other COEX carrier... just take a look at your line value's and block hours. Overall... the only block hours that seem to be increaseing for the "regional" feeds for CAL this year are Colgan's.

The COLA's will typically end up going senior, and they are being offered to anyone on any side of the business (XJT, CAL, DAL). They are being offered for 1-3 months at this time. With a COLA... the following is true:

1. You keep your seniority.
2. You keep your longevity.
3. You keep you base.
4. You only have to pay the exact same amount for insurance... than you are currently.
5. You keep your travel bennies.
6. You don't accumulate sick time or vacation time.

Man... if you are young... and love to travel, or have always wanted to "try" something new for a temporary period of time... then this would be a nice little thing to have right now. Those who took COLA's after 9/11 had nothing but good things to say about the time they took off.

Not trying to paint too rosey of a picture... but... it's obviously better than the dreaded "F" word. Also better than XJT grovelling back to CAL to renegotiate lower rates that would downgrade the industry as a whole and possibly lead to pilot concessions.

To me... it's Manangement taking the next logical step they need to... with the decrease in block hours for this year... without taking any drastic steps and still being able to keep all pilots on a relatively "short call".

Bob

I currently don't work for an airline. According to Airline Pilot Central, Republic is supposed to be picking up some of the Continental Express flights out of CLE. As I would prefer to stay close to friends and family when I do join an airline, it would just be good to know I have more options than just one in case one of them goes belly up, or just stops hiring for a while. I do realize that I may not get CLE as my hub but, at least there is a chance with ExpressJet and Republic.

Secondly, thanks for spelling out what a COLA is. It isn't bad for the pilots that would want to use it, and helps the company get back on their feet. Win win if you ask me. I just hope ExpressJet wont have to take the next step after a COLA though.

Cruise · March 6th, 2008, 23:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Proud Pilot

But, I love to fly and can't see myself ever doing anything else. I'd want my company to do everything in it's power in order to keep me employed, even if it meant a paycut. Those cuts would only be temporary and I'd have lots of time to make up the difference when I get on with a major.

That's a very ignorant way to look at this. Why don't you ask all those legacy pilots how 'temporary' their pay cuts have been?

You need to wake up and join the real world. That being said, I congratulate you for coming to JC to learn and participate in our community. However, the attitude you possess at the moment fits right in w/ the 'PFT/PFJ' and 'RJ course' mentality. I'll give you a hint......that's not a good thing!

Proud Pilot · March 6th, 2008, 23:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seggy

What happens if you can't get on with a major?

I'm confident' that I will get on with a major. Why is everyone so pessimistic about getting on with a major? Have you tried to get on with one yet?

Proud Pilot · March 6th, 2008, 23:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stone Cold

Oh yeah, this'll get good!!! Who's making popcorn?

Just an FYI, check how long the majors have had their paycuts...

I've checked their payscales and I could live just fine on what they pay currently, not saying that I'd love to make even more

Seggy · March 6th, 2008, 23:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Proud Pilot

I'm confident' that I will get on with a major. Why is everyone so pessimistic about getting on with a major? Have you tried to get on with one yet?

It is good that you are confident, you have to be BUT you never know. If the majors merge, things are going to slow, etc.

March 6th, 2008, 18:38	#1
Chris_Ford Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,329	Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilots... Latest news from the ExpressJet side of things. May 1 - July 31 Company Offered Leaves of Absence... No other details really worth providing, but things aren't looking so rosy over there.

March 6th, 2008, 19:35	#3
Clocks Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Getting furloughed Posts: 1,028	Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot Hope they work. If xjet furloughs my number will be on that list for sure. __________________

March 6th, 2008, 21:20	#5
wheelsup Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: _ Posts: 5,182	Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot I hate to say it but I've seen this coming for a long time. I've been against people going there ever since the 69 aircraft announcement was made. __________________ "It takes just as much time to be nice to someone as it does to be a jerk."

March 6th, 2008, 21:52	#6
250blue Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 129	Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot Is this for everyone at XJT or only on the branded side?

March 6th, 2008, 22:07	#7
Maurus Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 638	Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot Probably the entire lot of pilots that might want to leave. Would make sense to try and offer it to everyone and not just one side. This is making me hope that Republic gets into CLE soon for a hub. Would be nice as I would be able to stay at home. Express jet isn't looking too promising these days.

March 6th, 2008, 22:46	#11
viper548 Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 813	Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot It's good to hear the company is being proactive and trying to solicit volunteers

March 6th, 2008, 22:50	#12
SteveC Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,362	Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot I must be the only one that reads "Cost Of Living Allowance" and says __________________ . Life is painful. Suffering is optional.

March 6th, 2008, 22:52	#13
Velocipede Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 2,442	Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot FlyI should be a cautionary tale when surplus jets cause a big push into "branded" flying. __________________ "Humankind cannot stand very much reality." - T.S. Eliot

March 6th, 2008, 23:03	#17
mojo6911 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: GKY Posts: 1,456	Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot Its kind of sad that on an aviation website we get 3 "i told you so"s before we get someone posting a "good luck" Best wishes to anyone involved.

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