Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilots... - Page 3

Proud Pilot · March 7th, 2008, 00:49

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Originally Posted by fosters

These posts are too "stereotypical" and are not very believable.

alterego, eh??

So, since I don't want to follow the "traditional" path to the airlines I'm being made fun of? What makes your way better than mine? Some of you sound like the bigots that I have to put up with in everyday life.

charlie1017 · March 7th, 2008, 00:51

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Originally Posted by Proud Pilot

There is no such thing as a decent regional. I want to get on with the one with the quickest upgrade time so I can get my 1000hr turbine PIC and get on with a major. I'm not going to "wait it out". I've set a goal of being a major airline pilot and I will achieve it as quickly as possible.

Proud, many of these folks have more hours and experience than either you or me... I suggest you listen to them...

Kristie · March 7th, 2008, 00:53

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Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

I hope the best for your commute Maurus, but not at the expense of my company. Regardless... this doesn't mean there will be growth for the other COEX carrier... just take a look at your line value's and block hours. Overall... the only block hours that seem to be increaseing for the "regional" feeds for CAL this year are Colgan's.

The COLA's will typically end up going senior, and they are being offered to anyone on any side of the business (XJT, CAL, DAL). They are being offered for 1-3 months at this time. With a COLA... the following is true:

1. You keep your seniority.
2. You keep your longevity.
3. You keep you base.
4. You only have to pay the exact same amount for insurance... than you are currently.
5. You keep your travel bennies.
6. You don't accumulate sick time or vacation time.

Man... if you are young... and love to travel, or have always wanted to "try" something new for a temporary period of time... then this would be a nice little thing to have right now. Those who took COLA's after 9/11 had nothing but good things to say about the time they took off.

Not trying to paint too rosey of a picture... but... it's obviously better than the dreaded "F" word. Also better than XJT grovelling back to CAL to renegotiate lower rates that would downgrade the industry as a whole and possibly lead to pilot concessions.

To me... it's Manangement taking the next logical step they need to... with the decrease in block hours for this year... without taking any drastic steps and still being able to keep all pilots on a relatively "short call".

Bob

Just for understanding purposes...what's the reason for this and what's behind this? is it just so the company doesn't have to furlough or did they lose their flying or just losses all together?

EDIT: Read Flychicaga's post about why.....still not quite understanding the reason for COLA would be used vs furlough cuz if they're cutting down block time, that's not temporary is it?

fosters · March 7th, 2008, 00:55

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Originally Posted by Proud Pilot

So, since I don't want to follow the "traditional" path to the airlines I'm being made fun of? What makes your way better than mine? Some of you sound like the bigots that I have to put up with in everyday life.

I never said anything about your path to a major airline. I just read a previous post in this thread where windycitypilot was also flychicaga or something like that..I thought maybe there was some sort of game going on.

If not, good luck to You! If you're determined you can do it.

Kristie · March 7th, 2008, 00:57

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Originally Posted by Cruise

That's a very ignorant way to look at this. Why don't you ask all those legacy pilots how 'temporary' their pay cuts have been?

You need to wake up and join the real world.

nah... he just needs to educate himself... do some research on and off the site! and *then* join the real world

jml2992 · March 7th, 2008, 01:05

Traditional or not...you have to work your tail off to get anywhere in this industry and believe me, people are not going to be hammering your door down to hire you just because you have minimums for an airline. They are exactly that: minimums. Instead of fighting with folks online, I would suggest a little more research and some of Seg's suggested reading: "Flying the Line (Vol. 1 and 2)" to begin with or even better, "Stick and Rudder." I am not so impressed by a guy with thousands of hours in his logbook as much as I am by someone who can express empathy and understand that the fragile state of our industry rests in the hands of those coming up through the ranks. Work hard and be proud of what you do.

KLB · March 7th, 2008, 01:06

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Originally Posted by Proud Pilot

So, since I don't want to follow the "traditional" path to the airlines I'm being made fun of? What makes your way better than mine? Some of you sound like the bigots that I have to put up with in everyday life.

I don't think that anyone is against you. I believe that they are trying to alert you of your "naiveness". I'm positive that there are plenty of 1000TPIC pilots here and the majors are not exactly knocking down the doors to pick these guys up. You want to be at a company with good pay, work rules, and QOL just in case you have to hunker down for a while. One thing that you'll get from JC is that there are plenty people who have been to where you're trying to go. Sometimes you have to really sit back and try to absorb some of the information that they have to offer.

Just an opinion of a lolely freight dawg.

Kristie · March 7th, 2008, 01:07

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Originally Posted by Proud Pilot

There is no such thing as a decent regional. I want to get on with the one with the quickest upgrade time so I can get my 1000hr turbine PIC and get on with a major. I'm not going to "wait it out". I've set a goal of being a major airline pilot and I will achieve it as quickly as possible.

you'll need more than 1000 hrs to be competitive for ANY major airline. you definitely need to do more groundwork on this career (aka research).

Tram · March 7th, 2008, 01:08

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Originally Posted by Proud Pilot

There is no such thing as a decent regional. I want to get on with the one with the quickest upgrade time so I can get my 1000hr turbine PIC and get on with a major. I'm not going to "wait it out". I've set a goal of being a major airline pilot and I will achieve it as quickly as possible.

I heard and old, old man tell a friend of mine something once when he said something really stupid..

It went sorta like this.. The old man looked at my friend, got this funny look in his eye and said..

"You gots lots ta' learn, sonny boy.."

Tram · March 7th, 2008, 01:11

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Originally Posted by Kristie

you'll need more than 1000 hrs to be competitive for ANY major airline. you definitely need to do more groundwork on this career (aka research).

Oh no, Kristie... You'd be amazed how much our ProudPilot knows about the biz...

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Originally Posted by Proud Pilot

You'd be surprised how much I do know even with my limited number of logged hours.

Kristie · March 7th, 2008, 01:13

ah... remember, now... we're trying to educate not berate.

Cav · March 7th, 2008, 01:14

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Originally Posted by frog_flyer

uhhh. Hint to guys on reserve. take it. keep your travel bennies and insurance.

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I agree, go do something else for a few months and see what happens. It's not too hard to replace the income while on 1st year pay. This coming summer at XJT is not going to be a fun place.

Tram · March 7th, 2008, 01:15

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Originally Posted by Kristie

ah... remember, now... we're trying to educate not berate.

I be rate it a 10!

FlyChicaga · March 7th, 2008, 01:18

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Originally Posted by Kristie

Just for understanding purposes...what's the reason for this and what's behind this? is it just so the company doesn't have to furlough or did they lose their flying or just losses all together?

EDIT: Read Flychicaga's post about why.....still not quite understanding the reason for COLA would be used vs furlough cuz if they're cutting down block time, that's not temporary is it?

Kristie, I was about to quote my own post, but you saw I responded...

Even though my post might not mean anything...

Most companies will always offer a company-offered leave of absence before a furlough. If there are pilots who would prefer to have two or three months off, they'll choose those pilots before a pilot who does not want time off. Personally, if I did not want to keep flying, and if I had another source of income, I'd take a COLA. I want to go back to school for a Master's Degree, and this would help out tremendously. I'm also looking for that coveted "1000 PIC turbine," however.

This does not mean the end of ExpressJet. It does mean the end of our hiring plans for the foreseeable future, however.

Pardon spelling mistakes. I've been drinking.

Captain_Bob · March 7th, 2008, 01:18

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Originally Posted by Kristie

Just for understanding purposes...what's the reason for this and what's behind this? is it just so the company doesn't have to furlough or did they lose their flying or just losses all together?

EDIT: Read Flychicaga's post about why.....still not quite understanding the reason for COLA would be used vs furlough cuz if they're cutting down block time, that's not temporary is it?

A slight overstaffing issue with a combined reduction in block hours from CAL and DAL.

Block hours are temporary. They fluctuatuate from season to season, and sometimes month to month. The hope is that higher loads and block hours are expected in the early and late summer months. Thus... the 1-3 month COLA's.

Chicaga hit the nail on the head with the reasoning behind a COLA first vs. a Furlough.

Bob

madmax · March 7th, 2008, 01:19

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Originally Posted by tonyw

...Consider what you've got with any employer to be the equivalent of your virginity. Once you give it up, it's gone, and there ain't a damn thing you can do to get it back.

And then they know you'll put out, too, and they stop doing the equivalent of buying you nice dinners, flowers, and jewelry.

Sounds a lot like marriage...

best of luck to any who chooses to do this, hopefully it will not become forced.

On the bright side, this could be their chance to have a "Fun" flying job, something they couldn't do before due to benefits and whatnot.

Kristie · March 7th, 2008, 01:20

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Originally Posted by FlyChicaga

Kristie, I was about to quote my own post, but you saw I responded...

Even though my post might not mean anything...

Most companies will always offer a company-offered leave of absence before a furlough. If there are pilots who would prefer to have two or three months off, they'll choose those pilots before a pilot who does not want time off. Personally, if I did not want to keep flying, and if I had another source of income, I'd take a COLA. I want to go back to school for a Master's Degree, and this would help out tremendously. I'm also looking for that coveted "1000 PIC turbine," however.

This does not mean the end of ExpressJet. It does mean the end of our hiring plans for the foreseeable future, however.

Pardon spelling mistakes. I've been drinking.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

A slight overstaffing issue with a combined reduction in block hours from CAL and DAL.

Block hours are temporary. They fluctuatuate from season to season, and sometimes month to month. Higher loads and block hours are expected in the early and late summer months. Thus... the 1-3 month COLA's.

Bob

Thanks for the knowledge! feels good to learn something new and useful every now and again...

enjoy your beverage!

shoot... if i any of ya'll are young and have the flight bennies... DO IT! just go and enjoy some free time cuz there will ALWAYS be time for *work*.

Proud Pilot · March 7th, 2008, 01:24

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Originally Posted by Tram

I be rate it a 10!

You just need some good ole fashioned lovin'

Tram · March 7th, 2008, 01:26

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Originally Posted by Proud Pilot

You just need some good ole fashioned lovin'

You are right.. Maybe I should go snuggle with my wifey...

mtsu_av8er · March 7th, 2008, 06:40

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Originally Posted by Proud Pilot

There is no such thing as a decent regional.

Oh, there are . . .

JEP · March 7th, 2008, 06:50

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Originally Posted by Proud Pilot

There is no such thing as a decent regional.....

Sure there are but I think your bigger problem would be figuring out for yourself what is the definition of 'decent'.

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Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Oh, there are . . .

Ehh, what do you know. You're just another pilot with another reg.....Oops my bad....

Snuggle · March 7th, 2008, 09:05

Yea it sure beats the F word, taking a voluntary leave wouldn't be so bad. I could sure use that kind of time to travel or work on starting a masters degree.

Hootie · March 7th, 2008, 10:22

I would be ALL OVER this. If you're a skipper than its probably better to take the money and work, but if you're a fo ESPECIALLY a first year guy, you would have to be retarded not to jump on it. You can make more money and work less just waiting tables at IHOP. Good deal, IMHO.

kellwolf · March 7th, 2008, 11:20

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Originally Posted by Proud Pilot

Unfortunately, I think you are correct. This is the reason I am in such a hurry to get on with a regional and get my 1000hrs turbine PIC so I can get to a major before they stop hiring again.

Hate to break it to ya, but that 1000 hrs doesn't magically get you a major job. Once again, I can introduce you to a LOT of guys that have twice that much time and are still at a regional.

MQAAord · March 7th, 2008, 11:36

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Originally Posted by kellwolf

Hate to break it to ya, but that 1000 hrs doesn't magically get you a major job.

The hours won't magically get you a job, that's right! Keep in mind, even if you get the interview you still have to pass the interview. Attitude, personality, test scores & the sim ride all contribute to getting that job.

March 7th, 2008, 01:05	#56
jml2992 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Buck Owen's Guitar Shaped Swimming Pool Posts: 544	Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot Traditional or not...you have to work your tail off to get anywhere in this industry and believe me, people are not going to be hammering your door down to hire you just because you have minimums for an airline. They are exactly that: minimums. Instead of fighting with folks online, I would suggest a little more research and some of Seg's suggested reading: "Flying the Line (Vol. 1 and 2)" to begin with or even better, "Stick and Rudder." I am not so impressed by a guy with thousands of hours in his logbook as much as I am by someone who can express empathy and understand that the fragile state of our industry rests in the hands of those coming up through the ranks. Work hard and be proud of what you do. __________________ CSEL, CMEL, CFII

March 7th, 2008, 01:13	#61
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 17,772 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot ah... remember, now... we're trying to educate not berate. __________________ Wife of a Delta B767 ER F/O jetgirls.net

March 7th, 2008, 09:05	#72
Snuggle Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 544	Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot Yea it sure beats the F word, taking a voluntary leave wouldn't be so bad. I could sure use that kind of time to travel or work on starting a masters degree.

March 7th, 2008, 10:22	#73
Hootie Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Zona Posts: 1,166	Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot I would be ALL OVER this. If you're a skipper than its probably better to take the money and work, but if you're a fo ESPECIALLY a first year guy, you would have to be retarded not to jump on it. You can make more money and work less just waiting tables at IHOP. Good deal, IMHO. __________________ Whatever happened to catching a good old fashioned passionate ass whooping?