Southwest vs. the FAA

[Velocipede]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

They did skip checks and pencil whip some of them.

Ok, Gonzo, I don't know why you've got an axe to grind here, but even you're supporting documents, if read closely, do not support your allegation. Saying something like this on a written public forum is not only libelous, it is actionable.

Your post will be forwarded to the appropriate legal department.

Good luck, son.

[Velocipede]

Originally Posted by Stone Cold

I'm sure they're out there...heck, Airnet had them, and there was no "pressure from check airmen to taxi fast" or whatever the heck Velo posted.

Never said that. You girls keep me out of this.

[Citationkid]

Originally Posted by GalaxyIFE

Sorry to go back several posts, but there is a lot of discussion on SWA's taxi speeds. I can't recall any taxi mishaps involving SWA. Of course, I am not counting the overrun since I think that was a failed attempt to save a botched landing...

Have they had any reportable taxi mishaps?

http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id...07X00283&key=2

Here's one from last week....

[inside0ut]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Ok, Gonzo, I don't know why you've got an axe to grind here, but even you're supporting documents, if read closely, do not support your allegation. Saying something like this on a written public forum is not only libelous, it is actionable.

Your post will be forwarded to the appropriate legal department.

Good luck, son.

So, you mean, the information that he gave in his post supporting his allegation isn't enough "supporting documents"? Your claims of forwarding it to the legal department is funny. If that was possible, with an opinion, most could send every post you make to 6 different airline legal depts. Reminds me of one of my friends avatar...



Honestly, dude, give it a rest. I don't understand how you can accuse him of having an "axe to grind" when you have one constantly. Is it ok for you, just not anyone else? And why when someone catches you on something, do you grab your ball and go home?

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Ok, Gonzo, I don't know why you've got an axe to grind here,

My only axe is with the bean counters that are always trying to save a few dollars. All they care about is the bottom line and will paying out on some death claims be cheaper then doing thing the right way. That is what happen with AA 191, AS 261, and a few others.

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Saying something like this on a written public forum is not only libelous, it is actionable.

Not hard to find website's with info and statements by Robert Cles and Jerry Smith. Those guy have said a lot worst.


PS- I have read the NTSB report and the two pilots are heroes.

[Velocipede]

Originally Posted by inside0ut

So, you mean, the information that he gave in his post supporting his allegation isn't enough "supporting documents"?

If you read closely, nowhere does it say that Alaska falsified documents OR did not do the required checks.

Your claims of forwarding it to the legal department is funny.

They aren't laughing.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

If you read closely, nowhere does it say that Alaska falsified documents OR did not do the required checks.

Your right here is this better:
http://www.accidentreconstruction.co...r/020100a.html

The criminal investigation is still under way, and the grand jury proceedings remain confidential. Meanwhile, FAA officials have recommended that the mechanic licenses of three Alaska Airlines supervisors in Oakland be revoked on the grounds they made false entries on maintenance records.
The FAA has also asked for a 44,000-dollar fine against Alaska Airlines. An original FAA proposal for an 8.7-million-dollar fine was withdrawn after FAA lawyers concluded the airlines' executives werent involved in the alleged wrongdoing.
Federal documents released earlier in the investigation revealed that Liotine complained that an Alaska Airlines supervisor filled out a post-maintenance checklist on an MD-80, although he was not qualified to do so.
An FAA inspector in Oakland went on to determine that the two MD-80 jets were in "unairworthy condition" during 844 flights between October 7, 1998, and January 19, 1999 because portions of records that document maintenance were incomplete.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/02/0...a.airlines.06/

A Federal Aviation Administration report found two MD-80s that made 840 flights in late 1998 and early 1999 on which records were falsified. Because of the altered records, the aircraft were considered to be in "unairworthy condition," FAA documents said.

[Velocipede]

Keep scrambling, lad. Because NEITHER of these instances had anything to do with the incident you originally referred to. So, keep digging that hole.

Personally, if I were you, I'd be deleting posts as fast as I can.

[GalaxyIFE]

Thanks for the taxi info guys, I appreciate it.

Now, the threat of legal action (perceived or real) on this website is a first. Sure lots and lots of squabbling and arguing, (over and over) but I haven't seen "legal action" thrown out there. Dough? Krisite? I'm not a big fan of locking down a thread, but I think this one is out of control. Am I just crazy or does anyone else agree with me?

[Velocipede]

I'd suggest doing more than locking it. This mess needs to disappear. Fast.

[inside0ut]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Keep scrambling, lad. Because NEITHER of these instances had anything to do with the incident you originally referred to. So, keep digging that hole.

Personally, if I were you, I'd be deleting posts as fast as I can.

LOL, dude you are a trip.

I just wish you were as smart as you are funny. I just wish you could delete the last 100 posts you've made.

[PCL_128]

Oh, come on Velo, no need to try to scare the guy. Just tell him where he's wrong and let him off the hook. As Dough might say, "hug it out."

[mtsu_av8er]

PCL is doing nothing more than talking trash to sound good. Even when proven wrong, he still talks trash. It's amazing to me.

[PCL_128]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

PCL is doing nothing more than talking trash to sound good. Even when proven wrong, he still talks trash. It's amazing to me.

I thought you said you were going to put me on your "ignore list," Lloyd? When I'm proven wrong, I admit it, just as you saw on this thread. Problem?

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by PCL_128

I thought you said you were going to put me on your "ignore list," Lloyd? When I'm proven wrong, I admit it, just as you saw on this thread. Problem?

Yeah.

[surreal1221]

You'll find the things that make Lloyd tick quickly. He is in his utopian "I'm an Airline Pilot" world.

[Velocipede]

Originally Posted by PCL_128

Oh, come on Velo, no need to try to scare the guy. Just tell him where he's wrong and let him off the hook. As Dough might say, "hug it out."

I tried, man. I tried, but he kept on diggin' that hole. However, wrong and libelous are two different things. And compounding it by being wrong and trying to prove you're "right" by linking it to an unrelated incident YEARS before only makes it worse.

As I said, this thread really needs to disappear. Fast.

[PCL_128]

Velo, if you click the little warning sign icon to the left under the poster's avatar, then you can report the post to Doug or another moderator. That's the best way to get it removed, otherwise they might not even read this thread and know about it.

[Kristie]

we've been here before...it's an interweb board and you can't stop people from saying whatever they want to say (we try to keep it within the rules of the board). you can try but there's really not much backing considering...and especially if there's factual proof of what's been said....it's an interweb board *sigh*.

the post didn't violate any of our rules, it just hit the nerve of one person. We don't take threats kindly, mind you.