NACO Charts

madmax · March 5th, 2008, 02:38

I've read that most interviews contain a part where you talk through a Jepp chart, but my problem is that I did all my training on NACO. Should I buy some Jepps so I can learn to use them or what?

Nick · March 5th, 2008, 02:45

What you should try to get a copy of is the Jepp Legend. It's about 30-40 pages (at most) of symbols and example charts that would automatically show you anything that could be on any Jepp chart.

My copy is currently out with someone using it; I'd send it otherwise. Someone else on here might have a spare sitting around.

madmax · March 5th, 2008, 02:48

Excellent! I'll try to bum from some friends, but if anyone on here has resources they wouldn't mind loaning out I'd be very appreciative!

minitour · March 5th, 2008, 03:41

I have nothing to add but:

NACO Charts suck.

That is all...

-mini

madmax · March 5th, 2008, 04:30

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Originally Posted by minitour

I have nothing to add but:

NACO Charts suck.

That is all...

-mini

I Think you're just jealous that I've spent under $40 for all my IFR charts

One of my DE's did give me a hard time about how he had to go buy some to learn about them. Orals are always easier when you know more about the charts than they do

milski · March 5th, 2008, 10:28

You can buy a trip kit for some area in the US (Washington, Oregon & Idaho for NW for example) for about $30 from Jeppesen. That comes with the legend described above.

Pietrantonio · March 5th, 2008, 11:03

I really like my Jep charts. In my opinion, they're more "pilot friendly" compared to the Naco charts. Jep likes to bold loc freq, full approaches, etc...which is nice, because it stands out from the rest and makes it easier to focus and re-focus your attention when flying. The briefing strip is great. It's all right there at the top, where as the naco plates, you have to start from the top and really work you're way to the bottom to get the full brief. I like the Jep, and if you can get your hands on some, get them. The only thing I like about the Naco charts, is the airport diagram. My Jep plates dont have that for each approach. It's nice when you want to know the lighting, TDZE, etc..w/out having to look at the seperate airport diagram sheet.

My opinion.

woodreau · March 5th, 2008, 11:37

If anyone wants a link to the Jepp Intro/Legend pages, just let me know.

http://www.mediamax.com/trs80man

SpiraMirabilis · March 5th, 2008, 14:55

The booklet you want is called "Introduction to Jeppesen Navigation Charts" and the publication number Jepp uses is, I believe, AAMEDU46. You can call Jepp and tell them you want to buy it, it costs like $5+S&H and they'll ship it to you.
It's about 250 pages.

minitour · March 5th, 2008, 15:06

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Originally Posted by Pietrantonio

I really like my Jep charts. In my opinion, they're more "pilot friendly" compared to the Naco charts. Jep likes to bold loc freq, full approaches, etc...which is nice, because it stands out from the rest and makes it easier to focus and re-focus your attention when flying. The briefing strip is great. It's all right there at the top, where as the naco plates, you have to start from the top and really work you're way to the bottom to get the full brief. I like the Jep, and if you can get your hands on some, get them. The only thing I like about the Naco charts, is the airport diagram. My Jep plates dont have that for each approach. It's nice when you want to know the lighting, TDZE, etc..w/out having to look at the seperate airport diagram sheet.

My opinion.

I agree 100%. I find it amazing how much stuff I'm "missing" unless I read the whoooole chart now. With the Jepp charts, I could do 90% of the approach looking at only the briefing strip. The airport diagram is missing, but to me that isn't a big deal since that's all part of my briefing. I check the diagram (even with NACO charts) to decide where I'm turning, which direction, etc..

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Originally Posted by madmax

I Think you're just jealous that I've spent under $40 for all my IFR charts

Nah...I let the company buy me charts. I wouldn't spend a dime on those NACO books.

For "non company" flights, I use JeppView (electronic charts) on an EFB.

Like most things, it's personal preference.

-mini

tonyw · March 5th, 2008, 15:36

I use both and switch back and forth between them without any problems.

They just use slightly different ways of depicting the same information.

madmax · March 5th, 2008, 17:24

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Originally Posted by woodreau

If anyone wants a link to the Jepp Intro/Legend pages, just let me know.

http://www.mediamax.com/trs80man

Is that link the whole document on-line (looks like it)?

cfii2007 · March 5th, 2008, 18:19

My students use Jepp, but I use NACO for VFR practice approaches. NACO are cheaper, which suits well for the CFI budget.

But I do also carry current Jepps....and yes, you should study the legend in the beginning of the packet. Very useful information.

Speed Pilot · March 5th, 2008, 19:13

I've only ever flown with NACO. I'd like to try the Jepps at some point but as long as I have to buy my own I'll stick to paying $35 a year vs. $120 or whatever the subscription to Jepps costs. Unless any of you kind people would like to buy them for me?

But from what I've seen they contain the exact same information just a different format in some spots.

mojo6911 · March 5th, 2008, 20:52

Jepp Briefing strip owns the NACO one.

minitour · March 5th, 2008, 23:13

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Originally Posted by mojo6911

Jepp Briefing strip owns the NACO one.

+1.

It's more logical. There was a study done a while ago by some school on the briefing strip and how humans process the information.

There's a reason it's laid out the way it is.

I'll see if I can find the info on the study.

-mini

madmax · March 5th, 2008, 23:28

I used NACO because I was buying my own, and that's what I had learned on. No doubt that once I learn Jepps and have a company buying them I will realize how much better they are.

Vyse · March 6th, 2008, 16:36

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Originally Posted by madmax

Is that link the whole document on-line (looks like it)?

It appears to be selected excerpts from it; but not the whole document.

woodreau · March 6th, 2008, 17:11

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Originally Posted by madmax

Is that link the whole document on-line (looks like it)?

It is the whole intro section of the Jepp Manual - the rest of the manual would have the change notices, meteorology pages, table and codes, entry requirements pages, airport directory, radio aids pages, air traffic control pages, emergency pages, enroute pages and charts, and terminal pages and charts.

If you're asking about some "missing" pages - the pages aren't all sequential - there are no pages 15-40 - they don't exist in the Jepp Manual.

E6BAV8R · March 6th, 2008, 18:21

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Originally Posted by SpiraMirabilis

The booklet you want is called "Introduction to Jeppesen Navigation Charts" and the publication number Jepp uses is, I believe, AAMEDU46. You can call Jepp and tell them you want to buy it, it costs like $5+S&H and they'll ship it to you.
It's about 250 pages.

Do they still offer this?

Quote:

Originally Posted by woodreau

If anyone wants a link to the Jepp Intro/Legend pages, just let me know.

http://www.mediamax.com/trs80man

Thanks for providing the link.

SpiraMirabilis · March 9th, 2008, 16:04

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Originally Posted by E6BAV8R

Do they still offer this?

I'm pretty sure they do. I don't know why they would have stopped unless they made a new version.

Maurus · March 9th, 2008, 16:48

I almost got some Jepp charts to use as i like them more. Only problem is that i would need to get two different areas which would total over $100 a year. I am about a twenty minute flight from the border of Penn and I fly there more than most other places. Too bad the package they give you is Ohio/Indiana plates. I would have to buy the separate package with the Penn plates. Kinda dumb to do when so close to a border.