Whoops!

X-Forces · March 2nd, 2008, 11:18

Oh Dear!!! What's wrong with these pictures?

BobDDuck · March 2nd, 2008, 11:20

Wow... The Archer finally got the Qtip prop STC. About damn time!

I hope that wasn't you, and if it was, I hope everything turned out ok.

jtrain609 · March 2nd, 2008, 11:20

Was that your stupid pilot trick? Or somebody else's?

It's an easy one to pull off! A lot easier than I think most people believe it to be.

JEP · March 2nd, 2008, 11:22

since when did your a/c come with winglets? is that an '08 addition?

just from the pics, it doesn't look like the nose was damaged, but the prop strike

X-Forces · March 2nd, 2008, 11:27

Nope, wasn't me. I haven't seen the inside of an Archer in quite a while now, too busy flying the brick with wings....ahh, I mean Arrow.

No damage to the nose, just the prop. However, as with all prop strikes, it calls for a taredown, and that really sucks because I think it was a new engine that just completed break-in!!

When you have over 250 students, and average 145 flights per day, stuff like this is going to happen sooner or later.

Oh well, that's what insurance is for.

SIUav8er · March 2nd, 2008, 11:31

How the heck did that happen?

X-Forces · March 2nd, 2008, 11:40

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Originally Posted by SIUav8er

How the heck did that happen?

Solo flight and, not to sound too remedial, a very poor landing.

I believe it was a bad recovery from a porpoise.

jynxyjoe · March 2nd, 2008, 13:46

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Originally Posted by X-Forces

I believe it was a bad recovery from a porpoise.

Saw the same thing on a 172 years back. Those porpoises can be hell for students to recover from.

bike21 · March 2nd, 2008, 14:15

I've never porpoised a plane

Glad it turned out mostly ok

UAL747400 · March 2nd, 2008, 16:00

We have quite the bump on our ramp up here at UND. It's one of those ones that drops down about an inch followed by an immediate bump in an upward direction of about an inch only about a foot away from the first one. We were getting prop strikes during taxi all the time. You had to be going on along at about 10 knots GS though to make this happen. This was happening so much people had to be reminded of taxi speed on the ramp, walking pace. DUH!!!!

Even if you were going along at a pretty good clip, I'm pretty sure if you have even the slightest bit of situation awareness you'd think to slow down for these bumps!

X-Forces · March 2nd, 2008, 20:12

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Originally Posted by BobDDuck

I hope that wasn't you, and if it was, I hope everything turned out ok.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bike21

I've never porpoised a plane

Glad it turned out mostly ok

Yeah, no one hurt (Except for maybe an ego or two), no one fired, and another insurance claim for bent metal.

All in all business as usual I guess.

Maurus · March 3rd, 2008, 01:08

Could be worse. He could have been the guy I saw fly out of MFD that forgot about his tow bar. He was in a Piper Cherokee (probably 160HP). When the prop hits a tow bar on start up, it gets loud. Of course the guys flying the plane decided to just go pick up their tow bar, taxi, and then depart the airport.

There was also a prop strike at PMP about three weeks ago now. The twin had gear problems, landed and the nose wheel collapsed on them. The best part is when they tried to move the aircraft and one of the mains decided to retract.

bustinminimums · March 3rd, 2008, 01:20

Prop replacement and Engine teardown inspection right there. About 2 years ago I did an engine change on a 172 and it flew for about 100 hours and had a propstrike. Replaced prop and installed new engine and aircraft flew for about another 200 hours and had another propstrike only this time it was bad enough where it did firewall damage and had to replace some belly skin right behind the firewall. You really have to plant an airplane really hard to do that. Some flight school planes take alot of abuse.

JA Yawd Bwoy · March 3rd, 2008, 18:17

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Originally Posted by bike21

I've never porpoised a plane

Glad it turned out mostly ok

What is porpoising a plane?

gator4798 · March 3rd, 2008, 19:10

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Originally Posted by UAL747400

We have quite the bump on our ramp up here at UND. It's one of those ones that drops down about an inch followed by an immediate bump in an upward direction of about an inch only about a foot away from the first one. We were getting prop strikes during taxi all the time. You had to be going on along at about 10 knots GS though to make this happen. This was happening so much people had to be reminded of taxi speed on the ramp, walking pace. DUH!!!!

Even if you were going along at a pretty good clip, I'm pretty sure if you have even the slightest bit of situation awareness you'd think to slow down for these bumps!

At Reid-Hillview theirs a grate that has been known to cause some prop strikes. I was taught to A) go slow and B) Go full back on the yoke and get as much weight off the nose as possible. Never hit it once! :-)

UAL747400 · March 4th, 2008, 13:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by gator4798

At Reid-Hillview theirs a grate that has been known to cause some prop strikes. I was taught to A) go slow and B) Go full back on the yoke and get as much weight off the nose as possible. Never hit it once! :-)

Yeah isn't it amazing how just merely slowing down can alleviate the problem all together!

I've had to remind my students a couple time about this bump. "HEY, slow down! Do you not see that ridiculous bump ahead!"

CirrusMonkey · March 4th, 2008, 13:53

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Originally Posted by JA Yawd Bwoy

What is porpoising a plane?

Watch the third guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_69XTuyRcBQ

Goodspeed · March 4th, 2008, 15:29

X-Forces, where is the world's busiest GA aiport?

SIUav8er · March 4th, 2008, 19:13

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Originally Posted by Goodspeed

X-Forces, where is the world's busiest GA aiport?

Im gonna say VNY

X-Forces · March 4th, 2008, 22:03

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Originally Posted by Goodspeed

X-Forces, where is the world's busiest GA aiport?

Deer Valley Airport (KDVT), Phoenix, AZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIUav8er

Im gonna say VNY

You would have been correct, last year. The title of busiest GA airport is currently held by KDVT.

I suspect our 154 flight per day average is a contributing factor.

March 2nd, 2008, 11:18	#1
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March 2nd, 2008, 11:20	#2
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,340	Re: Whoops! Wow... The Archer finally got the Qtip prop STC. About damn time! I hope that wasn't you, and if it was, I hope everything turned out ok. __________________ TBJC08 The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

March 2nd, 2008, 11:20	#3
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March 2nd, 2008, 11:22	#4
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March 2nd, 2008, 11:27	#5
X-Forces Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 3.5 mi North of the world's busiest GA airport Posts: 2,045	Re: Whoops! Nope, wasn't me. I haven't seen the inside of an Archer in quite a while now, too busy flying the brick with wings....ahh, I mean Arrow. No damage to the nose, just the prop. However, as with all prop strikes, it calls for a taredown, and that really sucks because I think it was a new engine that just completed break-in!! When you have over 250 students, and average 145 flights per day, stuff like this is going to happen sooner or later. Oh well, that's what insurance is for. __________________ This space intentionally left blank. Last edited by X-Forces; March 2nd, 2008 at 20:09. Reason: Spelling

March 2nd, 2008, 11:31	#6
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March 2nd, 2008, 14:15	#9
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March 2nd, 2008, 16:00	#10
UAL747400 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA Posts: 2,204	Re: Whoops! We have quite the bump on our ramp up here at UND. It's one of those ones that drops down about an inch followed by an immediate bump in an upward direction of about an inch only about a foot away from the first one. We were getting prop strikes during taxi all the time. You had to be going on along at about 10 knots GS though to make this happen. This was happening so much people had to be reminded of taxi speed on the ramp, walking pace. DUH!!!! Even if you were going along at a pretty good clip, I'm pretty sure if you have even the slightest bit of situation awareness you'd think to slow down for these bumps! __________________

March 3rd, 2008, 01:08	#12
Maurus Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 638	Re: Whoops! Could be worse. He could have been the guy I saw fly out of MFD that forgot about his tow bar. He was in a Piper Cherokee (probably 160HP). When the prop hits a tow bar on start up, it gets loud. Of course the guys flying the plane decided to just go pick up their tow bar, taxi, and then depart the airport. There was also a prop strike at PMP about three weeks ago now. The twin had gear problems, landed and the nose wheel collapsed on them. The best part is when they tried to move the aircraft and one of the mains decided to retract.

March 3rd, 2008, 01:20	#13
bustinminimums Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Juneau Posts: 27	Re: Whoops! Prop replacement and Engine teardown inspection right there. About 2 years ago I did an engine change on a 172 and it flew for about 100 hours and had a propstrike. Replaced prop and installed new engine and aircraft flew for about another 200 hours and had another propstrike only this time it was bad enough where it did firewall damage and had to replace some belly skin right behind the firewall. You really have to plant an airplane really hard to do that. Some flight school planes take alot of abuse. __________________ Matt Comm Asel/Amel/ Inst Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic United States Marine Corps 1996-2001 United States Army/ National Guard 2004-2006

March 4th, 2008, 15:29	#18
Goodspeed Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New York Posts: 31	Re: Whoops! X-Forces, where is the world's busiest GA aiport?

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