You Can't Make Money Being A Pilot!!!

[Toonces]

Originally Posted by ryanmickG

Why are you in the profession? To make money? I think you are in it for the wrong reason.

Who are the "real professional aviators"?

enlighten me...

Yeah pal. I am in this business to make money. That's why it's called a profession. You see I do this thing where I sell my skills for as much money as I possibly can.

I bet if I showed up on the scene of pretty much any profession that was extremely expensive to get into and told my co-workers "I'd do this job for free" I would rightly receive some looks of disdain. Real pros in any field get paid. Everyone else is a hobbyist.

Consider yourself enlightened.

[NEWBY101]

Originally Posted by Toonces

Let's hope so. I am guessing this guy is a 18 year old virgin who lives with his parents. Someday he may grow up and want to take a real girl someplace other than Mcdonalds. Pretty hard to do that when you make less than a high school janitor.

Do you have any idea how much a High School Janitor makes???? Big time baby! Big time! $$$$$$$$$$


I'm not mad at ya anymore. I'm over it.

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by NEWBY101

Absolutley, but just because I ask how much can I expect to get paid as a pilot, doesn't mean what do I do with my life if indeed I do get paid less than what I'm getting paid now. The two don't go hand in hand in my opinion, also you don't have to be an old fuddy duddy to know how to manage your money. 40 is also a very young age to be giving out life advice and not that far away from 31, depending on your lifes achievements. Thank you for your commments, but again, I can make my own decisions on whether or not I will put myself in the poor house. I do not want to come across as being rude, but please keep your life lessons to yourselves.

Originally Posted by NEWBY101

Read the post bro, I want to know "IF" I can make money doing it! Not that I want to settle for nothing, but I DO NOT want to get into the business if I can't make some money even though I love flying! Toonces was sperting off at the mouth about nothing! I don't want to make chump change! I want to be able to support my family in a career I love, and having to defend myself every freaking second to you guys is begining to shed a light on the career I might be choosing!

Originally Posted by NEWBY101

Kristie you sound like a really nice person and I thank you for the comments, but even being I young man as you implied, I have been in the sales industry for 14 years now, and pay scales jump around year after year depending on the market. I know how to budget my money to prepair for the down times. If I am able to have "control" on our finances, after 4 recession then I think I can handle a few more. All information is good inforormation, I just ask to please tone down the life lessons please! Again I do have respect for you! You have a lot of knowledge in this field, I just think there is a better way to communicate it to a guy like me. Thank you again.

Relax just a tad. I think you're reading too much into people's responses that aren't realy intended. It is VERY difficult to read inflection, tone, and intent from the written word, especially when people's writing styles differ so much from their in-real-life personas. My first bit of advice for you is to always give a person the benefit of the doubt when trying to interpret tone and intent. Most people are here because they want to help others, not pick on them.

Secondly, in my personal opinion you really can't seperate "life lessons" from advice on the aviation profession. I speak from experience. I made the change about four years ago, and reduced my salary by well over 50% to do so, and have never been happier. BUT, I'm happier because of the life lessons that I've added to my repertoire, in conjunction with what I've picked up about being a professional pilot. They go hand in hand. The way that my wife and I have handled the changes are much more important in my happiness than what those changes were, you know what I mean?

As far as learning life lessons, I'm of the opinion that you should never quit. The older you get, the more that you realize that experience is a great teacher, and learning from others' experiences is a very valuable tool. Let's see, you've been an "adult" for 12 - 13 years. Kristie has been so for 20+ (almost twice as long), and I was an adult when you were born (close to three times as long). Maybe, just maybe there is something that we can add to what you've already learned. Maybe not. But if you shut us off from even offering info I can guarantee that you won't learn from our experience.

I recommend that you be careful about cherry-picking the answers that you want to hear. I can understand that you might feel defensive about people talking about issues that are not directly aviation related, but you just might be missing some valuable information along the way. At the very least you can end up with people thinking to themselves "I'm not going to bother giving this guy any advice. He won't listen anyway." I can tell you that right now I'm on that fence myself.

Please, just keep in mind that people are here to help, especially Doug and Kristie. Really.

[Bumblebee]

Originally Posted by SteveC

Most people are here because they want to help others, not pick on them.

Secondly, in my personal opinion you really can't seperate "life lessons" from advice on the aviation profession. I speak from experience.


As far as learning life lessons, I'm of the opinion that you should never quit. The older you get, the more that you realize that experience is a great teacher, and learning from others' experiences is a very valuable tool. Let's see, you've been an "adult" for 12 - 13 years. Kristie has been so for 20+ (almost twice as long), and I was an adult when you were born (close to three times as long). Maybe, just maybe there is something that we can add to what you've already learned. Maybe not. But if you shut us off from even offering info I can guarantee that you won't learn from our experience.

Please, just keep in mind that people are here to help, especially Doug and Kristie. Really.

I loves me some Steve C <3 <3 <3

I've been an adult for . . . well nevermind but some of my mentors are nearly half my age! I try to soak it all in and take the advice that fits, and just appreciate that some one was willing to spend the time to share the rest.

As Steve mentions, experience is a great teacher. That reminds me of a plaque that was on my kitchen wall from when I was a small child that read,

"Learn from the mistakes of others . . . you won't have enough time to make them all yourself."

Well . . . enough of that.

OK . . .One last thing, some of the people I have met through this site I have become very fond of. As a matter of fact I have had dinner with seven of them over the last few weeks in two different cities. I refer to them as my "internet friends" but my life is enriched by them, and I have learned from each of them, not just about aviation, but about life (and a lot about you kids lingo!).

This place is special.

Welcome to JC and hopefully we will meet you at one of our M and G s or even at the big event in Las Vegas this October.
Dale

[PCL_128]

Originally Posted by NEWBY101

Read the post bro

Take your own advice, "bro." If you look at my post that you quoted, I wasn't talking to you or referring to your original post. I was talking to the guy that said making money isn't what you should be in this profession for. Relax a bit. You're getting somewhat defensive for no reason.

[Bumblebee]

Originally Posted by PCL_128

Take your own advice, "bro." If you look at my post that you quoted, I wasn't talking to you or referring to your original post. I was talking to the guy that said making money isn't what you should be in this profession for. Relax a bit. You're getting somewhat defensive for no reason.

Let me slap you before I show you how to act . . . whay not leave this part out and still educate?

I read that people were pissed off in this thread . . . why be pissed off? Be amused . . . it's just letters in the ethersphere . . .dude

I mean bro

[NEWBY101]

Originally Posted by SteveC

Relax just a tad. I think you're reading too much into people's responses that aren't realy intended. It is VERY difficult to read inflection, tone, and intent from the written word, especially when people's writing styles differ so much from their in-real-life personas. My first bit of advice for you is to always give a person the benefit of the doubt when trying to interpret tone and intent. Most people are here because they want to help others, not pick on them.

Secondly, in my personal opinion you really can't seperate "life lessons" from advice on the aviation profession. I speak from experience. I made the change about four years ago, and reduced my salary by well over 50% to do so, and have never been happier. BUT, I'm happier because of the life lessons that I've added to my repertoire, in conjunction with what I've picked up about being a professional pilot. They go hand in hand. The way that my wife and I have handled the changes are much more important in my happiness than what those changes were, you know what I mean?

As far as learning life lessons, I'm of the opinion that you should never quit. The older you get, the more that you realize that experience is a great teacher, and learning from others' experiences is a very valuable tool. Let's see, you've been an "adult" for 12 - 13 years. Kristie has been so for 20+ (almost twice as long), and I was an adult when you were born (close to three times as long). Maybe, just maybe there is something that we can add to what you've already learned. Maybe not. But if you shut us off from even offering info I can guarantee that you won't learn from our experience.

I recommend that you be careful about cherry-picking the answers that you want to hear. I can understand that you might feel defensive about people talking about issues that are not directly aviation related, but you just might be missing some valuable information along the way. At the very least you can end up with people thinking to themselves "I'm not going to bother giving this guy any advice. He won't listen anyway." I can tell you that right now I'm on that fence myself.

Please, just keep in mind that people are here to help, especially Doug and Kristie. Really.

You may be right, I will try to assume that some people here are not questioning my competence, I do REALY want your opinons. Like you said it is hard for me to interpret their tone in writing. I might have gotten on the defensive from a comment from a person early on. I understand going into the aviation field is a life changing experience, but so is any job change, but I do need to understand that most of you guys are here to help, and I do appreciate that. My appologise to Kristie if I came across ungrateful. I did not mean to sound that way to anyone. Thanks for the adjustment.

[NEWBY101]

Originally Posted by bumblebee

I loves me some Steve C <3 <3 <3

I've been an adult for . . . well nevermind but some of my mentors are nearly half my age! I try to soak it all in and take the advice that fits, and just appreciate that some one was willing to spend the time to share the rest.

As Steve mentions, experience is a great teacher. That reminds me of a plaque that was on my kitchen wall from when I was a small child that read,

"Learn from the mistakes of others . . . you won't have enough time to make them all yourself."

Well . . . enough of that.

OK . . .One last thing, some of the people I have met through this site I have become very fond of. As a matter of fact I have had dinner with seven of them over the last few weeks in two different cities. I refer to them as my "internet friends" but my life is enriched by them, and I have learned from each of them, not just about aviation, but about life (and a lot about you kids lingo!).

This place is special.

Welcome to JC and hopefully we will meet you at one of our M and G s or even at the big event in Las Vegas this October.
Dale

Thank you very much, I will try to take a different approch to this internet thing and I hope to see you guys soon.

[NEWBY101]

Originally Posted by PCL_128

Take your own advice, "bro." If you look at my post that you quoted, I wasn't talking to you or referring to your original post. I was talking to the guy that said making money isn't what you should be in this profession for. Relax a bit. You're getting somewhat defensive for no reason.

Your right, I misunderstood who that was directed to. Toonces just got my blood boiling a bit. I will learn to blow a lot of this stuff off.

[NEWBY101]

Originally Posted by bumblebee

Let me slap you before I show you how to act . . . whay not leave this part out and still educate?

I read that people were pissed off in this thread . . . why be pissed off? Be amused . . . it's just letters in the ethersphere . . .dude

I mean bro

I'll learn bro... I mean "dude".

[samuel_57]

click on this link maybe it will help

http://forums.jetcareers.com/general...last-year.html (How much did you make last year?)

[NEWBY101]

Originally Posted by samuel_57

click on this link maybe it will help

http://forums.jetcareers.com/general...last-year.html (How much did you make last year?)

Nice! Thanks

[Bumblebee]

Originally Posted by NEWBY101

I'll learn bro... I mean "dude".

Nice

newby

. . .and this one was for pcl

[ryanmickG]

Originally Posted by PCL_128

Umm, I'm not defending the tone of his posts, but you should be in this profession to make money. I love flying as much as the next guy, but that's not why I do it for a living. I do it for a living to make money, fund a retirement, have a decent QOL, and have good insurance. That's what a job is for. If you just want to have a good time, then go rent a 150 down at the local airport. If you want to have a career, then by all means, enter the profession and fight for a better career.

I think you mis-understood the sentiment of my post. (because I did a crappy job elaborating)

What I mean is if before you ever set foot in an airplane for your first training flight you have $ signs in your head then it IS the wrong reason.

You have to love and respect aviation to be able to make it. All the overnights, time away from home, missed holidays should be thought about.

This is not a normal profession by any means.


cheers

[SD3Dog]

Originally Posted by NEWBY101

You may be right, I will try to assume that some people here are not questioning my competence, I do REALY want your opinons. Like you said it is hard for me to interpret their tone in writing. I might have gotten on the defensive from a comment from a person early on. I understand going into the aviation field is a life changing experience, but so is any job change, but I do need to understand that most of you guys are here to help, and I do appreciate that. My appologise to Kristie if I came across ungrateful. I did not mean to sound that way to anyone. Thanks for the adjustment.

Remember what I said about "taking some comments with a grain of salt" Don't let someone who is ignorant, obtuse or just an Ahole get under your skin its just not worth the time. Let stuff like that go. Half the time someone else will cut those like that down a notch for you and everyone else. As far as people in this industry go. I have never met a nicer group of folks out there in the real world of aviation. Just because some Dbag wants to pick a fight online don't let that taint your thoughts about how folks in this industry really are. I mean there are a holes every where but...anyway you know what I mean.

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by PGT

..

kids are expensive
marriages are expensive
divorce lawyers are expensive
child support is expensive

repeat above in that order

then you have:
alcohol
strip clubs
cigarettes

ive already got the last 3, and im hellbent on avoiding the first 4.


does this mean ill be a successful pilot?

ps- your avatar is INCREDIBLE. got a hi-res of that pic somewhere?

[Kristie]

Originally Posted by NEWBY101

You may be right, I will try to assume that some people here are not questioning my competence, I do REALY want your opinons. Like you said it is hard for me to interpret their tone in writing. I might have gotten on the defensive from a comment from a person early on. I understand going into the aviation field is a life changing experience, but so is any job change, but I do need to understand that most of you guys are here to help, and I do appreciate that. My appologise to Kristie if I came across ungrateful. I did not mean to sound that way to anyone. Thanks for the adjustment.

no worries! we're all just here to help whether you want to hear it or not.. hahaha

believe it or not, i have no reason to question anyone's competence, it's not my business to do so. I just like to make sure folks stay open minded when they get replies to a thread they started

[ilove747s]

Guys, tell me what job the average person can get that will make them a millionaire or your definition of "wealthy" or "rich". Come on...There are very FEW! How much money your job or profession pays you can be irrelevant to how "wealthy" or "rich" you are. It's all about making your money work for you. Being debt free, saving money (live like your from a third world country) and having a solid financial plan are the most important factors.

I've read many stories about people making $11/hr their whole life and being smart enough with their money to turn themselves into wealthy individuals capable of being able to retire whenever they want.

My point is, yes anyone can do well if they play their cards right (which comes with certain knowledge), and while I know it is difficult plan on such low pay starting out, it can be done and has been done. If you're able to figure out a plan including taking sacrifices by doing without starbucks, new cars, largest houses, and family swimming pool and saving and building assets in the beginning for paradise in the end it is worth it.
How much money you have is completely up to you. Going into any profession without a financial plan won't necessarily make you "rich" though.

[tonyw]

Very true, but having said that, it's a hell of a lot easier to get wealthy making $100K a year than it is to get wealthy making $20K a year!

[JA Yawd Bwoy]

Originally Posted by tonyw

Very true, but having said that, it's a hell of a lot easier to get wealthy making $100K a year than it is to get wealthy making $20K a year!

[Sprint100]

Originally Posted by tonyw

Very true, but having said that, it's a hell of a lot easier to get wealthy making $100K a year than it is to get wealthy making $20K a year!

Ain't that the truth!!!!!!!

[waverebel]

Also another thing to consider...and it was mentioned in an earlier post...there is way more to aviation than the regionals. I realize that their mins are the lowest these days..but there are lots of charter/corp/freight gigs out there if you have the time that offer very liveable salaries. The regionals get brought up alot it seems when the pay issue surfaces, i think b/c it is pretty bad for the first year(s). Dont let it get you down..there are tons of job opportunities out there in aviation that pay well. Plus it beats working.