Skipping Multi Engine Rating

airjets · February 26th, 2008, 04:19

Hello all
Is there any downside on skipping multi engine rating in the long run?
I'm still in my first year of college, so immediate multi engine time is not necessary for me.
I was thinking about doing CFI rating right after the commercial single rating and do the multi rating and MEI by junior year.
Would it be better for me to do the multi rating before commercial single than skipping it?
Thanks in advance.

SIUav8er · February 26th, 2008, 04:39

doesnt really matter. either way you still gotta do it right?

airjets · February 26th, 2008, 04:59

Thanks for the quick reply.
Yeah! I gotta do it either way, but then I'm just trying to get as little loans as possible on my training .

BajtheJino · February 26th, 2008, 06:11

I think its a great idea as long as you have a reason for doing it the way you want to do. Seems like you have a reason-CFI to make money while you are still training. Makes sense. Then, when you are training for your multi do it from the right seat so you can do your CMEL and MEI ride at once.

bdhill1979 · February 26th, 2008, 06:35

I still dont have a commercial multi, haven't really needed it yet. Half the guys I work with that have it, don't use it. They all say things like, "I wonder if I remember how to fly a twin".

Wont hurt you one bit to wait a little. That is of course if your goals do not include hopping in a passenger jet at 258 total time.

C150J · February 26th, 2008, 08:44

Getting the CFI first is a great idea, as it will allow you to teach throughout college. One of the only downsides I can think of is the cost of the add-on due to oil prices. Back in 2000, I paid $1,275 at ALL ATPs for the add-on. The same course is $3,795 now.

wheelsup · February 26th, 2008, 10:25

Back in 2000 I was paying $65/hr for a new 172 @ ERAU. 1 year later it was $80, and the next year it was $105. The biggest increase in cost came from soaring insurance costs after 9/11. Fuel prices were relatively stable at that point.

ATP's multi is what, around 10 hours? 10 hours x 20 gph = 200 gallons of fuel. Going from $1/gal to $4/gal would've only increased their costs $700. I wouldn't worry too much about oil prices when figuring to sit out or not. Just IMO

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aloft · February 26th, 2008, 10:55

With the demand for CFIs so high these days, many places will pay for add-on ratings like this as a retention incentive. In other words, if you put it off for now, you might get it for free later.

WalterSobchak · February 26th, 2008, 12:13

Eventually you will need it so you might as well get it. Who knows what fuel could be in a year or two. I was lucky I did mine in a fuel efficient airplane(twin comanche) back when avgas was almost half of what car gas is now.

Tram · February 26th, 2008, 14:08

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Originally Posted by aloft

In other words, if you put it off for now, you might get it for free later.

Playing this business on what MIGHT happen is a fool hearty move..

I'd probably go ahead and get it... It's a tough choice though..

FlySooner9 · February 26th, 2008, 16:24

im sorta in your same shoes man. I'll be getting my Instrument and Commercial this summer. Than like you in the fall semester i would like to get my CFI before i start multi stuff. Two reasons really, one I'll be able to work part time instructing. Two the CFI's at OU get discounted rates on training if their employed.

HOTDOG · February 27th, 2008, 09:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by airjets

Hello all
Is there any downside on skipping multi engine rating in the long run?
I'm still in my first year of college, so immediate multi engine time is not necessary for me.
I was thinking about doing CFI rating right after the commercial single rating and do the multi rating and MEI by junior year.
Would it be better for me to do the multi rating before commercial single than skipping it?
Thanks in advance.

I'm doing it the same way....working on my Commercial single now, then CFI...add on multi later.

cmsuav8r · February 27th, 2008, 10:34

I'll be taking the CSEL in a couple weeks and I plain on going straight to the CFI. The reason being that CFI's here get a 10% discount on rentals, which equates to saving about $20 per hour in our duchesses.

Lee D · February 27th, 2008, 11:27

Probably a roll of the dice. If you can afford it sooner I would just get it done. Like the bdhill mentioned you may not need it so quickly, but then again you might also miss opportunities. (You can better predict what you might expect in your training community than I do.) I got my multi-com shortly after my commercial and finished my MEI only a few months after my CFI. It worked out well because where I worked there were several twins and not many MEI's. So I ended up doing a ton of checkouts and multi ratings. I got my multi time very quickly.

mtsu_av8er · February 27th, 2008, 11:33

I would wait and have lots of patience.

I eventually had a student pay for both my multi-engine rating AND my MEI, because she needed me to provide training for her in her newly-acquired pressurized multi-engine aircraft. What - not enough multi-PIC time to get your MEI? She paid me to ferry another of her new twins across the country to gain that time.

Total cost for my multi AND MEI? I think I put a couple of thousand in my pocket to get those tickets.

In todays market, I'm pretty sure that you can find those same opportunities. You have to work for them, though.

MikeOH58 · February 27th, 2008, 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Total cost for my multi AND MEI? I think I put a couple of thousand in my pocket to get those tickets.

In todays market, I'm pretty sure that you can find those same opportunities. You have to work for them, though.

You really love that story huh...I feel like one of your grandkids that has heard it 100 x' s, but the grandfather continues to tell the same story over and over again...

HAHA~

Just kiddin man!

HOTDOG · February 27th, 2008, 13:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

I would wait and have lots of patience.

I eventually had a student pay for both my multi-engine rating AND my MEI, because she needed me to provide training for her in her newly-acquired pressurized multi-engine aircraft. What - not enough multi-PIC time to get your MEI? She paid me to ferry another of her new twins across the country to gain that time.

Total cost for my multi AND MEI? I think I put a couple of thousand in my pocket to get those tickets.

In todays market, I'm pretty sure that you can find those same opportunities. You have to work for them, though.

Its hard for everyone to find sugar mommas...LOL...jk

airjets · February 27th, 2008, 15:28

Thanks for all the inputs. I definitely am not planning on jumpping on the passenger jet with 200 something TT.

mtsu_av8er, I hope I can find someone who would pay for my training too lol

February 26th, 2008, 04:19	#1
airjets Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 50	Skipping Multi Engine Rating Hello all Is there any downside on skipping multi engine rating in the long run? I'm still in my first year of college, so immediate multi engine time is not necessary for me. I was thinking about doing CFI rating right after the commercial single rating and do the multi rating and MEI by junior year. Would it be better for me to do the multi rating before commercial single than skipping it? Thanks in advance.

February 26th, 2008, 04:39	#2
SIUav8er Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: at work Posts: 919	Re: Skipping Multi Engine Rating doesnt really matter. either way you still gotta do it right? __________________ Commercial Pilot, CE-500 Gold Seal CFI.II.MEI IGI Future GoJet Pilot.

February 26th, 2008, 04:59	#3
airjets Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 50	Re: Skipping Multi Engine Rating Thanks for the quick reply. Yeah! I gotta do it either way, but then I'm just trying to get as little loans as possible on my training .

February 26th, 2008, 06:11	#4
BajtheJino Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Country Inn and Suites Posts: 966	Re: Skipping Multi Engine Rating I think its a great idea as long as you have a reason for doing it the way you want to do. Seems like you have a reason-CFI to make money while you are still training. Makes sense. Then, when you are training for your multi do it from the right seat so you can do your CMEL and MEI ride at once.

February 26th, 2008, 06:35	#5
bdhill1979 Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: U77 Posts: 2,300	Re: Skipping Multi Engine Rating I still dont have a commercial multi, haven't really needed it yet. Half the guys I work with that have it, don't use it. They all say things like, "I wonder if I remember how to fly a twin". Wont hurt you one bit to wait a little. That is of course if your goals do not include hopping in a passenger jet at 258 total time. __________________ Commercial Pilot, IR Gold Seal CFI, CFII TT: 900ish Part 91 Company pilot 4 year Degree Will fish for pay

February 26th, 2008, 08:44	#6
C150J Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 985	Re: Skipping Multi Engine Rating Getting the CFI first is a great idea, as it will allow you to teach throughout college. One of the only downsides I can think of is the cost of the add-on due to oil prices. Back in 2000, I paid $1,275 at ALL ATPs for the add-on. The same course is $3,795 now.

February 26th, 2008, 10:25	#7
wheelsup Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: _ Posts: 5,182	Re: Skipping Multi Engine Rating Back in 2000 I was paying $65/hr for a new 172 @ ERAU. 1 year later it was $80, and the next year it was $105. The biggest increase in cost came from soaring insurance costs after 9/11. Fuel prices were relatively stable at that point. ATP's multi is what, around 10 hours? 10 hours x 20 gph = 200 gallons of fuel. Going from $1/gal to $4/gal would've only increased their costs $700. I wouldn't worry too much about oil prices when figuring to sit out or not. Just IMO . __________________ "It takes just as much time to be nice to someone as it does to be a jerk."

February 26th, 2008, 10:55	#8
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 6,723	Re: Skipping Multi Engine Rating With the demand for CFIs so high these days, many places will pay for add-on ratings like this as a retention incentive. In other words, if you put it off for now, you might get it for free later. __________________ Commercial Pilot, ASEL/AMEL/IA Chief Pilot, aerial mapping company Mountain-qualified Search & Rescue/Disaster Relief Mission Pilot, Civil Air Patrol 850+ TT/25 ME B.S., Psychology, University of Utah

February 26th, 2008, 12:13	#9
WalterSobchak Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 514	Re: Skipping Multi Engine Rating Eventually you will need it so you might as well get it. Who knows what fuel could be in a year or two. I was lucky I did mine in a fuel efficient airplane(twin comanche) back when avgas was almost half of what car gas is now. __________________ 4 forces of flight: Stall, Spin, Crash, & Burn

February 26th, 2008, 16:24	#11
FlySooner9 Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southern Oklahoma Posts: 204	Re: Skipping Multi Engine Rating im sorta in your same shoes man. I'll be getting my Instrument and Commercial this summer. Than like you in the fall semester i would like to get my CFI before i start multi stuff. Two reasons really, one I'll be able to work part time instructing. Two the CFI's at OU get discounted rates on training if their employed.

February 27th, 2008, 10:34	#13
cmsuav8r Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Warrensburg, MO/ KC, MO Posts: 579	Re: Skipping Multi Engine Rating I'll be taking the CSEL in a couple weeks and I plain on going straight to the CFI. The reason being that CFI's here get a 10% discount on rentals, which equates to saving about $20 per hour in our duchesses. __________________ "Life moves pretty fast, if you don't stop and look around once in awhile, you may miss it."

February 27th, 2008, 11:27	#14
Lee D Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 577	Re: Skipping Multi Engine Rating Probably a roll of the dice. If you can afford it sooner I would just get it done. Like the bdhill mentioned you may not need it so quickly, but then again you might also miss opportunities. (You can better predict what you might expect in your training community than I do.) I got my multi-com shortly after my commercial and finished my MEI only a few months after my CFI. It worked out well because where I worked there were several twins and not many MEI's. So I ended up doing a ton of checkouts and multi ratings. I got my multi time very quickly. __________________ No misfortune is so bad that whining about it won’t make it worse.

February 27th, 2008, 11:33	#15
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,403	Re: Skipping Multi Engine Rating I would wait and have lots of patience. I eventually had a student pay for both my multi-engine rating AND my MEI, because she needed me to provide training for her in her newly-acquired pressurized multi-engine aircraft. What - not enough multi-PIC time to get your MEI? She paid me to ferry another of her new twins across the country to gain that time. Total cost for my multi AND MEI? I think I put a couple of thousand in my pocket to get those tickets. In todays market, I'm pretty sure that you can find those same opportunities. You have to work for them, though. __________________ ------- "Sadness bears no remedy for the problems in your life."

February 27th, 2008, 15:28	#18
airjets Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 50	Re: Skipping Multi Engine Rating Thanks for all the inputs. I definitely am not planning on jumpping on the passenger jet with 200 something TT. mtsu_av8er, I hope I can find someone who would pay for my training too lol

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