Republic vs Mesaba

BuickCFI · February 16th, 2008, 20:38

Ok, so I am considering doing the 121 thing for a while to give it a chance. i have never really wanted too, but i am willing to try it because i can't really come up with any good reasons why not too, at least try it that is. I may not make a career of it, but like i keep saying i would like to try it out. I always saw myself going 135 freight and i might still, but i figure now is the time to try the 121 gig w/ my hours and where both me and my wife are now with no children or really any ties

So between these 2 companies, which would be better to apply too, based upon whatever it is that you guys base these things on. I am trying to figure out the 121 thing.

thanks

777forever · February 16th, 2008, 21:43

Apply to both

meyers9163 · February 16th, 2008, 23:49

I agree with Marcus..... Apply to both and or as many as you can.... keep your options open!

PatrickCPS · February 17th, 2008, 00:10

Certainly advise keeping you options open.

Milesar · February 17th, 2008, 00:36

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Originally Posted by 777forever

Apply to both

SeattlePilot · February 17th, 2008, 00:42

Mesaba turned me down with 1700/250 republic said 'com'on over' . Like many people suggested i applied to both.

Ian J · February 17th, 2008, 04:32

Oh no - Buick. How did we lose you?

BuickCFI · February 17th, 2008, 04:46

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Originally Posted by Ian J

Oh no - Buick. How did we lose you?

haven't lost me yet, but i won't meet the 135 mins until nearly april now due to all the crap weather and i just haven't been working for really the last 2 weeks. i refuse to go work for 7/hr, even if it is only for 2 weeks, i won't do it.

but i would someday like to get to UPS/FDX/ABX or something in the corporate realm and i am unsure of how i can get there by flying a Van (although it would be hella fun!) the problem for me lies in where do i go after freight? sure Airnet has the Lear which i would love, but it looks like in the Airnet system it is either a Prop or a Jet base, there aren't too many that have both, which doesn't work with my wifes career, she can't really just get a job and in 1yr be gone for another

i am still confused on what factors to use to decide between 121 operators to apply too, i think no matter what i am going to try and move to the base because commuting for reserve and a crashpad sounds like a PITA

Ian J · February 17th, 2008, 04:58

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Originally Posted by BuickCFI

haven't lost me yet, but i won't meet the 135 mins until nearly april now due to all the crap weather and i just haven't been working for really the last 2 weeks. i refuse to go work for 7/hr, even if it is only for 2 weeks, i won't do it.

I certainly understand that.

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but i would someday like to get to UPS/FDX/ABX or something in the corporate realm and i am unsure of how i can get there by flying a Van

If it's multi time your looking for we do have one or two props that aren't a Van...

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sure Airnet has the Lear which i would love, but it looks like in the Airnet system it is either a Prop or a Jet base, there aren't too many that have both, which doesn't work with my wifes career, she can't really just get a job and in 1yr be gone for another

True - if you want to move up you'd have to move, which can be tough on a working spouse, for sure.

BuickCFI · February 17th, 2008, 10:16

nope not multi time, more of the working in a crew in a bigger airplane time. Baron, Cheyenne, and Van don't get that

so that is where i am stuck, where do i go from there?

yeah, and my wifes career since i can't commute to work (not that i want too anyway, but i would if i had too) she will be done with school soon so i need to make a decision soon

Ian J · February 17th, 2008, 10:38

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Originally Posted by BuickCFI

nope not multi time, more of the working in a crew in a bigger airplane time. Baron, Cheyenne, and Van don't get that

so that is where i am stuck, where do i go from there?

yeah, and my wifes career since i can't commute to work (not that i want too anyway, but i would if i had too) she will be done with school soon so i need to make a decision soon

Simply, you move up to the Lear, or you move on. From the props at Airnet people have moved on to corporate, charter, or the regionals. From the Lears at Airnet, people have moved on to the majors, bigger freight outfits, and the better fracs. Some have stayed with the company for years.

However, if you really need a commutable job, it sounds like you need the regionals.

BuickCFI · February 17th, 2008, 10:47

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Originally Posted by Ian J

Simply, you move up to the Lear, or you move on. From the props at Airnet people have moved on to corporate, charter, or the regionals. From the Lears at Airnet, people have moved on to the majors, bigger freight outfits, and the better fracs. Some have stayed with the company for years.

However, if you really need a commutable job, it sounds like you need the regionals.

i don't want a commutable job, just curious about what my options are. i would like to know where all these job postings are at (like corporate, etc)

i would really like airnet because i have always wanted to fly the lear, i just don't like the fact i would have to move if i really want to upgrade to it

CE525BGuy · February 17th, 2008, 10:52

I personally would steer clear of 135 freight. I did it for a while and didn't see anyone leaving for anything other than the regionals. I lucked out and landed an awesome corporate gig and was able to leave without taking a pay cut. I ran into a caravan pilot a few months back who was talking up all his hopes and dreams to go to FedEx and planned on doing so with his 1000hrs TurbinePIC in the van. I had to snicker a little.

Just because you flew some boxes dosn't mean that UPS wants you more than a pax 121 guy with turbo-jet and glass experience. You will be competing with 4-5000 hr crj captains who have been waiting in line for a while now.
Corporate is all about who ya know. Period.
Apply to both dude!
Good luck

Ian J · February 17th, 2008, 12:14

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Originally Posted by CE525BGuy

I personally would steer clear of 135 freight. I did it for a while and didn't see anyone leaving for anything other than the regionals.

Even if they go to the regionals after freight they're (very generally speaking here) bringing more to the cockpit than your jet transition course guy is.

They won't be the 121 FO posting excitedly about their first experience near t-storms, moderate turbulence, icing, and an approach to mins all the while 50+ paying passengers are in the back with no idea that this is the first time the guy in the right seat has seen conditions like that.

For the experience alone, even if you go to a regional after, freight is worth it in my opinion.

BuickCFI · February 17th, 2008, 12:41

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They won't be the 121 FO posting excitedly about their first experience near:
t-storms, check
moderate turbulence, check
icing, check
approach to mins, check

didn't even need freight for those experiences

WalterSobchak · February 17th, 2008, 12:41

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Originally Posted by Ian J

Even if they go to the regionals after freight they're (very generally speaking here) bringing more to the cockpit than your jet transition course guy is.

They won't be the 121 FO posting excitedly about their first experience near t-storms, moderate turbulence, icing, and an approach to mins all the while 50+ paying passengers are in the back with no idea that this is the first time the guy in the right seat has seen conditions like that.

For the experience alone, even if you go to a regional after, freight is worth it in my opinion.

Agreed. However in BuickCFI's case in this day and age why give up senority to end up at the same regional 2 years from now? He is not a jet transition guy, he has more to offer to a 121 cockpit because he has the TT. The doors he wants opened can't be opened with just freight so why waste the time stopping there? Is it good experience yes. Why did I do it for so long? Money and waiting for the right regional. Who cares whether he sees heinous wx in the right set or by himself? In the end he will have to ride shotgun to get to his goals any way. I'm speaking for his situation only. Don't get me wrong I love it if I have an FO with freight experience.

Ian J · February 17th, 2008, 13:25

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Originally Posted by WalterSobchak

Agreed. However in BuickCFI's case in this day and age why give up senority to end up at the same regional 2 years from now? He is not a jet transition guy, he has more to offer to a 121 cockpit because he has the TT. The doors he wants opened can't be opened with just freight so why waste the time stopping there? Is it good experience yes. Why did I do it for so long? Money and waiting for the right regional. Who cares whether he sees heinous wx in the right set or by himself? In the end he will have to ride shotgun to get to his goals any way. I'm speaking for his situation only. Don't get me wrong I love it if I have an FO with freight experience.

Absolutely. I was NOT referring to Buick at all. I was speaking very generally, and was responding to the poster who I quoted. Nothing wrong at all with Buick going to a Regional.

CE525BGuy · February 17th, 2008, 13:44

Hey, don't get me wrong dude. I did my frieght time and am a better pilot for it. I'm not for the 250 guy to go out and sit right seat anywhere (135 or 121). Being a CFI is the experience everyone needs before they try to handle the decisions that the rest of us have to make.

BuickCFI · February 17th, 2008, 14:17

yup, which is why i haven't applied to anywhere as of yet. i am coming up on 1200TT and i am not starting to feel ready to be sitting up front in a more serious commercial situation, whether it be 135 freight in low wx, or in front of 50 pax. i don't see how the guys with 300TT or less can want to do it. that is a hell of a lot of responsibility, and aviation is no joke, people die when mistakes are made.

Ian J · February 17th, 2008, 14:26

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Originally Posted by BuickCFI

yup, which is why i haven't applied to anywhere as of yet. i am coming up on 1200TT and i am not starting to feel ready to be sitting up front in a more serious commercial situation, whether it be 135 freight in low wx, or in front of 50 pax. i don't see how the guys with 300TT or less can want to do it. that is a hell of a lot of responsibility, and aviation is no joke, people die when mistakes are made.

You probably know this, but at this point you just have to do it. You are probably very ready to do either, and just need to make the leap.

BuickCFI · February 17th, 2008, 17:50

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just need to make the leap

thats the only semi scary step

guess i will start getting my stuff together, and probably get an FCC license

cfii2007 · February 18th, 2008, 18:02

I'd build time until you reach mins......then apply to everybody.

Keep your options open, the company who is #1 on your list might not call you!

WalterSobchak · February 18th, 2008, 20:07

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Originally Posted by BuickCFI

yup, which is why i haven't applied to anywhere as of yet. i am coming up on 1200TT and i am not starting to feel ready to be sitting up front in a more serious commercial situation, whether it be 135 freight in low wx, or in front of 50 pax. i don't see how the guys with 300TT or less can want to do it. that is a hell of a lot of responsibility, and aviation is no joke, people die when mistakes are made.

They aren't the PIC. In 135 and as a CA in 121 you are. So being an FO at a regional is a nice bridge to taking on that responsibility. It's like OJT, but in 121(some 2 pilot planes 135)you are required and are fulfilling an import role. Also the more time and experience you get the more you realize there are things that can bite you.

You are ready.

BTW CE525Guy I love your avatar!

BuickCFI · February 18th, 2008, 22:17

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Originally Posted by WalterSobchak

They aren't the PIC. In 135 and as a CA in 121 you are. So being an FO at a regional is a nice bridge to taking on that responsibility. It's like OJT, but in 121(some 2 pilot planes 135)you are required and are fulfilling an import role. Also the more time and experience you get the more you realize there are things that can bite you.

You are ready.

BTW CE525Guy I love your avatar!

I just reread my post, i meant to say "i am just now starting to feel ready"

BuickCFI · March 19th, 2008, 01:11

update:
applied to Republic yesterday, interview dates were offered today! i need to pick one and let them know, will probably let them know tomorrow afternoon! eek!

no word yet from Mesaba, soon.......

February 16th, 2008, 21:43	#2
777forever Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ATL Posts: 1,695	Re: Republic vs Mesaba Apply to both __________________ Comm-ASEL, MEL, Inst. CFI, CFII, MEI TT: 700 Part 121 ATR72 FO B.S. Aviation Management-Business Minor Southeastern Oklahoma State University Cum Laude Graduate

February 16th, 2008, 23:49	#3
meyers9163 Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,933	Re: Republic vs Mesaba I agree with Marcus..... Apply to both and or as many as you can.... keep your options open!

February 17th, 2008, 00:10	#4
PatrickCPS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kansas City MO Posts: 327	Re: Republic vs Mesaba Certainly advise keeping you options open. __________________ Patrick Lee www.careerpilotschool.com

February 17th, 2008, 00:42	#6
SeattlePilot Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 37	Re: Republic vs Mesaba Mesaba turned me down with 1700/250 republic said 'com'on over' . Like many people suggested i applied to both.

February 17th, 2008, 04:32	#7
Ian J Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manchester, CT Posts: 5,639 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Republic vs Mesaba Oh no - Buick. How did we lose you? __________________

February 16th, 2008, 20:38	#1
BuickCFI Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South of the Border Posts: 1,749	Republic vs Mesaba Ok, so I am considering doing the 121 thing for a while to give it a chance. i have never really wanted too, but i am willing to try it because i can't really come up with any good reasons why not too, at least try it that is. I may not make a career of it, but like i keep saying i would like to try it out. I always saw myself going 135 freight and i might still, but i figure now is the time to try the 121 gig w/ my hours and where both me and my wife are now with no children or really any ties So between these 2 companies, which would be better to apply too, based upon whatever it is that you guys base these things on. I am trying to figure out the 121 thing. thanks __________________ CFI, CFII, MEI -Why is it when two planes almost hit each other it is called a near miss? Shouldn't it be called a near hit?

February 17th, 2008, 10:16	#10
BuickCFI Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South of the Border Posts: 1,749	Re: Republic vs Mesaba nope not multi time, more of the working in a crew in a bigger airplane time. Baron, Cheyenne, and Van don't get that so that is where i am stuck, where do i go from there? yeah, and my wifes career since i can't commute to work (not that i want too anyway, but i would if i had too) she will be done with school soon so i need to make a decision soon __________________ CFI, CFII, MEI -Why is it when two planes almost hit each other it is called a near miss? Shouldn't it be called a near hit?

February 17th, 2008, 10:52	#13
CE525BGuy Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Posts: 40	Re: Republic vs Mesaba I personally would steer clear of 135 freight. I did it for a while and didn't see anyone leaving for anything other than the regionals. I lucked out and landed an awesome corporate gig and was able to leave without taking a pay cut. I ran into a caravan pilot a few months back who was talking up all his hopes and dreams to go to FedEx and planned on doing so with his 1000hrs TurbinePIC in the van. I had to snicker a little. Just because you flew some boxes dosn't mean that UPS wants you more than a pax 121 guy with turbo-jet and glass experience. You will be competing with 4-5000 hr crj captains who have been waiting in line for a while now. Corporate is all about who ya know. Period. Apply to both dude! Good luck __________________ Prevent identity theft, keep your credit bad..

February 17th, 2008, 13:44	#18
CE525BGuy Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Posts: 40	Re: Republic vs Mesaba Hey, don't get me wrong dude. I did my frieght time and am a better pilot for it. I'm not for the 250 guy to go out and sit right seat anywhere (135 or 121). Being a CFI is the experience everyone needs before they try to handle the decisions that the rest of us have to make. __________________ Prevent identity theft, keep your credit bad..

February 17th, 2008, 14:17	#19
BuickCFI Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South of the Border Posts: 1,749	Re: Republic vs Mesaba yup, which is why i haven't applied to anywhere as of yet. i am coming up on 1200TT and i am not starting to feel ready to be sitting up front in a more serious commercial situation, whether it be 135 freight in low wx, or in front of 50 pax. i don't see how the guys with 300TT or less can want to do it. that is a hell of a lot of responsibility, and aviation is no joke, people die when mistakes are made. __________________ CFI, CFII, MEI -Why is it when two planes almost hit each other it is called a near miss? Shouldn't it be called a near hit?

February 18th, 2008, 18:02	#22
cfii2007 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,175	Re: Republic vs Mesaba I'd build time until you reach mins......then apply to everybody. Keep your options open, the company who is #1 on your list might not call you!

March 19th, 2008, 01:11	#25
BuickCFI Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South of the Border Posts: 1,749	Re: Republic vs Mesaba update: applied to Republic yesterday, interview dates were offered today! i need to pick one and let them know, will probably let them know tomorrow afternoon! eek! no word yet from Mesaba, soon....... __________________ CFI, CFII, MEI -Why is it when two planes almost hit each other it is called a near miss? Shouldn't it be called a near hit?

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