How much did you make last year? - Page 3

spilot · February 10th, 2008, 22:42

Position: Jump Pilot And Traffic Watch Pilot
Location: Vegas
Years at Company: 7 months in 2007
2007 Gross Earning: $8,500
Hours: 125/month working 14hours a day/7 days a week.

jon1424 · February 10th, 2008, 22:48

Position: Sales Manager
Airline: We clog up PHL
Years at Employer: Almost 4
Gross Earnings: 39K

MQAAord · February 10th, 2008, 22:59

Position: Parent
Airline: Not anymore!
Years at Employer: 5 years
Gross Earnings: $0.

DE727UPS · February 10th, 2008, 23:32

Being a parent brings greater reward than anything mentioned so far. Thanks for bringing that up, Amber. And I say that as a non-parent who mentors a 14 year old.

No amount of money can compare to taking care of a kid and seeing him succeed.

Customx · February 11th, 2008, 00:05

Position: English Teacher
Location: South Korea
Years at Company: 3 years in Korea, 1 year at my middle school
2007 Gross Earning: $56,000
Hours: 15 hours teaching a week at school, 10-12 hours a week at students' homes, 6 days a week

N826AW · February 11th, 2008, 00:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mtts422

Something a little different, I'm on the Aircraft Sales side of things.

Position: Regional Sales Manager
Company: Sells fractional ownership
Years at Employer: Just over a year
Gross Earnings: 60K (Base and Commission included)

Interesting... I'm giving some thought into utilizing my sales background and applying it to the world of aircraft world.

ElyJs · February 11th, 2008, 00:25

This whole thread is not very encouraging. I love aviation, but I don't think I can accept such a low salary for so much time away. I have a college degree with a major in economics, minor in business administration. I am currently a CFI with 600 hours. My peers are all accepting jobs for twice this pay and will be making closer to 100K within 5 years. It almost seems irresponsible to work for that type of money even though thats what I would like to do more than anything in the world.

How do you guys live on these type of salaries?

BCTAv8r · February 11th, 2008, 00:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElyJs

How do you guys live on these type of salaries?

Maybe they actually enjoy work?

Hacker15e · February 11th, 2008, 01:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElyJs

This whole thread is not very encouraging.

I think that's part of the point.

Pilots used to endure these years at the bottom of the barrell for hopes of one day grabbing that gonden ring at the top of the seniority scale later on in the career.

When that golden ring became more of a...brass ring...the whole scheme became a whole lot less worthwhile.

There will always be people who will fly at these kinds of incomes because it's what they 'love to do', unfortunately.

I certainly could not afford to leave my current job and go work for a regional and be able to support my family in any way.

slamma1906 · February 11th, 2008, 01:06

Position:FO
Airline:AWAC
Years at Airline:1.7
Gross Earnings:$33,000

fsiflyer · February 11th, 2008, 01:39

Position: FO (They call us CO-Captains here because we all have an ATP and type ratings but its a crock, I am an FO)
Airline: Corporate Aviation
Years at Airline: 1
Gross Earnings: $65,000 + Per Diem

Job offer in hand from another company...
Airline: Expat pilot in Europe
Base salary of $120,000 plus $100/flight hour + per diem. All housing costs paid for as well as three business class tickets for the family home per year.

My wife and I are flying out in a few weeks for a meeting with upper management and the president of the company, also we will be shown apartments and meet other flight crews. If I take the offer then final arrangements will be made as well.

lisboa · February 11th, 2008, 01:48

Position:cfii
school:Long Beach fly club
gross pay56,00

As of jan 1st 08 pay went up 5$ an hour,

SIUav8er · February 11th, 2008, 01:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

306K.

30K was a signing bonus that I won't see again, but I think I'd still have made 280K with not calling in sick much and cherry picking the open time. How many hours? I don't care to figure it out but I'd guess around 150 to 200. Now that I have the ONT reserve game figured out, I'd bet I fly less than 100 a year for quite some time. Might make a little less next year as well, but it ain't no thing. It's always been about QOL with me.

this is by FAR the best job held by anyone on JC so far...nice!

Jimmy_Norton · February 11th, 2008, 08:02

~$35k base salary
~$4k Contract flying
247.8 hours
Pt91 Corporate

This year I stand to make a bit less than that, but fly more, and actually have a chance upgrade, which would have never happened at my last job.

skydog · February 11th, 2008, 09:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElyJs

This whole thread is not very encouraging. I love aviation, but I don't think I can accept such a low salary for so much time away. I have a college degree with a major in economics, minor in business administration. I am currently a CFI with 600 hours. My peers are all accepting jobs for twice this pay and will be making closer to 100K within 5 years. It almost seems irresponsible to work for that type of money even though thats what I would like to do more than anything in the world.

How do you guys live on these type of salaries?

Most of the people who posted were either instructors, or in their first year with a regional. Of course their pay was low. The ones who were past that were earning good money. Two Express Jet Captains earning 75-80K. A Colgan Captain in his second year earning 43K for the 1900. A third year ASA FO earned 51K. A couple of other FOs earning 43K. A 3rd year Brasilia Captain earned 61K.

You give yourself 5 years at the regionals, and you will be darn near close to that 100K your buddies will supposedly be earning. And you will have a lot more time off than they will.

LoadMasterC141 · February 11th, 2008, 09:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElyJs

This whole thread is not very encouraging. I love aviation, but I don't think I can accept such a low salary for so much time away.

Go work in a cube farm making 50k and see what happens. You can have my job in a few weeks. I made 73k, but they'll offer a young person 45.

Quote:

I have a college degree with a major in economics, minor in business administration. I am currently a CFI with 600 hours. My peers are all accepting jobs for twice this pay and will be making closer to 100K within 5 years.

Horsepoo! I get such a kick out of this. If I had a penny for every freshly minted college kid that thinks they are gonna make 6 figures in 5 years, well I would be rich!

Quote:

It almost seems irresponsible to work for that type of money even though thats what I would like to do more than anything in the world.

How do you guys live on these type of salaries?

If flying is what you want to do more than anything in the world, you better do it because no amount of money will make you happy otherwise.
I made that mistake and now have faced a much harder transition to the flying world.

A300Capt · February 11th, 2008, 09:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIUav8er

this is by FAR the best job held by anyone on JC so far...nice!

Nope, not quite, I have the best job since I'm senior to Don.

greaper007 · February 11th, 2008, 12:26

Well the UPS guys posted, how about the Fed-Ex'ers? Come on guys we need something to strive for on those cold lonely nights in trucker hotel rooms.

Gizmo · February 11th, 2008, 12:38

Position: CFI
Place: East coast
Years: 0.1
Earning: $112.80 so far and loving it!

bike21 · February 11th, 2008, 13:11

Or how about our Cathay drivers?

Stone Cold · February 11th, 2008, 13:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by fsiflyer

Position: FO (They call us CO-Captains here because we all have an ATP and type ratings but its a crock, I am an FO)
Airline: Corporate Aviation
Years at Airline: 1
Gross Earnings: $65,000 + Per Diem

Job offer in hand from another company...
Airline: Expat pilot in Europe
Base salary of $120,000 plus $100/flight hour + per diem. All housing costs paid for as well as three business class tickets for the family home per year.

My wife and I are flying out in a few weeks for a meeting with upper management and the president of the company, also we will be shown apartments and meet other flight crews. If I take the offer then final arrangements will be made as well.

Good for you. Keep an eye open over there for me!!!

Bandit_Driver · February 11th, 2008, 13:32

Position: B727-200F First Officer
Years at Company: 2 yrs
2007 Gross Earning: 45K (excludes Per Diem)
Hours: 155 TOTAL

Hotel Appreciation Time: Way too much

meritflyer · February 11th, 2008, 13:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

306K.

30K was a signing bonus that I won't see again, but I think I'd still have made 280K with not calling in sick much and cherry picking the open time. How many hours? I don't care to figure it out but I'd guess around 150 to 200. Now that I have the ONT reserve game figured out, I'd bet I fly less than 100 a year for quite some time. Might make a little less next year as well, but it ain't no thing. It's always been about QOL with me.

Nick · February 11th, 2008, 14:06

Merit -

I don't get it. Usually I like your posts. Don didn't come out of nowhere and create a thread on his own and put that out. The thread starter wanted to know and people answered honestly, including DE727UPS.

The thread was going just as the thread starter would have hoped until you brought the numbers to a halt with stuff you could have PM'd.

* * *

One year at company.

20K, 7K in per diem after that.

New hire class didn't start until February, line guarantee didn't start until April.

wheelsup · February 11th, 2008, 14:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick

Merit -

I don't get it.

It's called jealousy.

February 10th, 2008, 22:42	#51
spilot Newbie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: city Posts: 28	Re: How much did you make last year? Position: Jump Pilot And Traffic Watch Pilot Location: Vegas Years at Company: 7 months in 2007 2007 Gross Earning: $8,500 Hours: 125/month working 14hours a day/7 days a week.

February 10th, 2008, 22:48	#52
jon1424 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: PHL Posts: 232	Re: How much did you make last year? Position: Sales Manager Airline: We clog up PHL Years at Employer: Almost 4 Gross Earnings: 39K

February 10th, 2008, 22:59	#53
MQAAord Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Looney Bin Posts: 8,813	Re: How much did you make last year? Position: Parent Airline: Not anymore! Years at Employer: 5 years Gross Earnings: $0. __________________ PPL SEL 100-ish hours TT Former American Airlines F/A (12 months) Former Simmons/Eagle F/A (6 years) Former Eagle ground school instructor (1 year) Former Eagle IOE instructor (3 years)

February 10th, 2008, 23:32	#54
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,481	Re: How much did you make last year? Being a parent brings greater reward than anything mentioned so far. Thanks for bringing that up, Amber. And I say that as a non-parent who mentors a 14 year old. No amount of money can compare to taking care of a kid and seeing him succeed. __________________ Click here to see how I became a UPS pilot http://www.jetcareers.com/content/view/65/132/

February 11th, 2008, 00:05	#55
Customx Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Seoul Posts: 107	Re: How much did you make last year? Position: English Teacher Location: South Korea Years at Company: 3 years in Korea, 1 year at my middle school 2007 Gross Earning: $56,000 Hours: 15 hours teaching a week at school, 10-12 hours a week at students' homes, 6 days a week

February 11th, 2008, 00:25	#57
ElyJs Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 271	Re: How much did you make last year? This whole thread is not very encouraging. I love aviation, but I don't think I can accept such a low salary for so much time away. I have a college degree with a major in economics, minor in business administration. I am currently a CFI with 600 hours. My peers are all accepting jobs for twice this pay and will be making closer to 100K within 5 years. It almost seems irresponsible to work for that type of money even though thats what I would like to do more than anything in the world. How do you guys live on these type of salaries?

February 11th, 2008, 01:06	#60
slamma1906 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: ORF Posts: 128	Re: How much did you make last year? Position:FO Airline:AWAC Years at Airline:1.7 Gross Earnings:$33,000 __________________ Mr T! B.S. CFI CFII MEI AGI IGI 6/26/06: CL-65 SIC typed

February 11th, 2008, 01:39	#61
fsiflyer Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: LAX & Moscow Russia (UUEE, UUWW, & UUDD) Posts: 358	Re: How much did you make last year? Position: FO (They call us CO-Captains here because we all have an ATP and type ratings but its a crock, I am an FO) Airline: Corporate Aviation Years at Airline: 1 Gross Earnings: $65,000 + Per Diem Job offer in hand from another company... Airline: Expat pilot in Europe Base salary of $120,000 plus $100/flight hour + per diem. All housing costs paid for as well as three business class tickets for the family home per year. My wife and I are flying out in a few weeks for a meeting with upper management and the president of the company, also we will be shown apartments and meet other flight crews. If I take the offer then final arrangements will be made as well. __________________ FSIFLYER ATP, CFII, MEI, former U.S. Marine LR-60, HS-125 CL-300 Initial in September <--Russia's best export...old Soviet flags of course.

February 11th, 2008, 01:48	#62
lisboa Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 50	Re: How much did you make last year? Position:cfii school:Long Beach fly club gross pay56,00 As of jan 1st 08 pay went up 5$ an hour,

February 11th, 2008, 08:02	#64
Jimmy_Norton Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 97	Re: How much did you make last year? ~$35k base salary ~$4k Contract flying 247.8 hours Pt91 Corporate This year I stand to make a bit less than that, but fly more, and actually have a chance upgrade, which would have never happened at my last job.

February 11th, 2008, 12:26	#68
greaper007 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Hartford, Ct Posts: 1,014	Re: How much did you make last year? Well the UPS guys posted, how about the Fed-Ex'ers? Come on guys we need something to strive for on those cold lonely nights in trucker hotel rooms. __________________ <<<<<Hunter S. Thompson extends the Gonzo concept to flying.

February 11th, 2008, 12:38	#69
Gizmo Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 110	Re: How much did you make last year? Position: CFI Place: East coast Years: 0.1 Earning: $112.80 so far and loving it!

February 11th, 2008, 13:11	#70
bike21 Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: People's Republic of Boulder Posts: 2,146	Re: How much did you make last year? Or how about our Cathay drivers? __________________ "A man is not considered wise because he talks a lot" - The Dhammapada

February 11th, 2008, 13:32	#72
Bandit_Driver Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DTW Posts: 1,674	Re: How much did you make last year? Position: B727-200F First Officer Years at Company: 2 yrs 2007 Gross Earning: 45K (excludes Per Diem) Hours: 155 TOTAL Hotel Appreciation Time: Way too much __________________ OOTSK Logbook Pro - Electronic Pilots Logbook

February 11th, 2008, 14:06	#74
Nick Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,183	Re: How much did you make last year? Merit - I don't get it. Usually I like your posts. Don didn't come out of nowhere and create a thread on his own and put that out. The thread starter wanted to know and people answered honestly, including DE727UPS. The thread was going just as the thread starter would have hoped until you brought the numbers to a halt with stuff you could have PM'd. * * * One year at company. 20K, 7K in per diem after that. New hire class didn't start until February, line guarantee didn't start until April. __________________ Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress in this period in history.

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