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February 4th, 2008, 22:15
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"951SH I told you to land on 32 SECOND SIDE, NOT B4!!". Andre regularly had conniption fits over the radio with them. | |
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February 4th, 2008, 22:15
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| Re: Silver State Helo's Shutdown I hate to say it but they tended to breed a cocky kind of pilot that made us all look bad. I did my II at the Boise location and one of their guys was pretty rude to me. He was pretty much looking down his nose at me as I filled out the forms to do a checkride asking if I thought I could start it without overspeeding or needed help. Its ok I left with their checklist on my kneeboard. Shane
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February 4th, 2008, 22:17
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| Re: Silver State Helo's Shutdown What a scam. Part of me feels bad for the guys who are being taken by these guys, but part of me also does not feel sorry for them because the writing was on the wall. SSH has been known to be nothing more than a shady business, yet people still flocked there. I just don't get it. All the best though. |
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February 4th, 2008, 22:22
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February 4th, 2008, 22:23
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| Re: Silver State Helo's Shutdown Quote:
 The feeling is Mutual
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February 4th, 2008, 22:41
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York
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| Re: Silver State Helo's Shutdown "The students paid 70,000 upfront for their training." WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP DOING THIS. IT IS NOT A SMART DECISION. |
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February 4th, 2008, 22:43
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| Re: Silver State Helo's Shutdown People get sucked into that feel good now auora they presented. The used the same pressure tactics that timeshare people use. Statements like we are only accepting a limited amount of students so you better hurry if you want in on this. I would have liked to see them shut down a while ago but not like this. Utah stopped them from accepting new students last year but they were able to start again a few months back. If the trend is true they paid 70,000 for ground training and a few hours in the sim. One word comes to mind the entire training market is screwed. 500 resumes just went out today some as CFII some as line pilots. The market just got flooded. Shane
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February 4th, 2008, 22:45
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Most of them took out a loan for $70,000 They will most likely pay almost twice that by the time its all said and done.
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February 4th, 2008, 22:48
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February 4th, 2008, 23:24
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| Re: Silver State Helo's Shutdown As shady as they were (and as many times as I almost smacked into one while sharing ramp space with them at IWA) many of their instructors were good people. I'm hoping most of the ones I was friends with have long since moved on to better things. |
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February 4th, 2008, 23:28
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February 4th, 2008, 23:58
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| Re: Silver State Helo's Shutdown I want to say somewhere in their training contract it stated that they (students) only had 8 months to complete their training PPL-CFII? I know it's something along those lines. If you didn't finish, they still took your money. First of all, the average student takes about a year to complete all of the helo ratings, and second, at SSH, you have 100 students, 20 CFI's and 10 Helicopters...you do the math. It's not going to happen in 8 months! 
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February 5th, 2008, 01:16
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| Re: Silver State Helo's Shutdown Jerry Airola is a byword among nations. I "met" him when he bought out the flight school I worked at a few years back. I was suspicious...
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February 5th, 2008, 12:31
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| Re: Silver State Helo's Shutdown Interesting web site about the company's CEO ... http://www.swiftchopper.com/ |
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February 5th, 2008, 13:09
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If it's the former instead of the latter, the students may be able to get the pro-rata amount shifted to another school, in which case there is a delay in their training while they pursue another option, and they're not necessarily 70K in the hole, you know? If I owned a helicopter school, this would be a perfect chance to expand - you've got a set of students ripe for "saving" and they already have funding in place. Talk about a target market... Probably a paperwork nightmare though.
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February 5th, 2008, 13:53
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| Re: Silver State Helo's Shutdown I drove by their location at FXE only to see a few patrol cars in the parking lot.
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February 5th, 2008, 15:30
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| Re: Silver State Helo's Shutdown The way the school was structured they took 3 installmennts of 24k in 3 months. So anyone in longer than about 2 1/2 months have lost all the money they were approved for. SSH had a setup where you had a huge ground class lasting 6 weeks. If you did not score above 80% you stayed in ground longer. They then moved you to a sim and flew a little then on to the helicopter. It was an average of 7 months to solo just over a year to ppl. The research turned up about EOS th company that bought them shows they buy companies and set them up for bankruptcy which SSH did under chap 7 on Sun according to the company website. This just looks bad for all flight training. People don't seem to understand the whole pay as you go thing. Shane www.silverstatehelicopters.com This is the company that purchased SSH a few months ago http://www.eospartners.com/credit_opportunities.html
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February 5th, 2008, 16:22
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| Re: Silver State Helo's Shutdown HAH! He's a scientologist. . . Amazing. Maybe he'll sick Tom Cruise on us all for bad mouthing him? |
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February 5th, 2008, 16:48
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February 5th, 2008, 18:58
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| Re: Silver State Helo's Shutdown So what exactly is a Pyramid Scheme? |
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February 5th, 2008, 20:21
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| Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima
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| Re: Silver State Helo's Shutdown Multi-Level Marketing You recruit people for your business model The people that you recruit generate sales You get a portion of their sales profits. The people that you recruit, go and recruit more people. Now the people that the people you recruited, recruited, generate sales. Now you get to take a portion of the profits of both the people YOU recruited, but also from the sales that he people below you recruited. Confusing? Check wikipedia for MLM or Multi-Level Marketing. Or, check Amway, or Quixtar. |
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February 5th, 2008, 20:38
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| Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: SLC
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| Re: Silver State Helo's Shutdown They would shift profits from one location to another. Open the new location harvest the student loans from that location then on to the next. They never had enough helicopters or facilities for the students they had. They would overinflate the claims of the 135 ops they never had. Case in point they were all about the heli skiing op in Ogden that never flew. It amounted to a 407 with a fancy paint job thats it. Shane I should stop posting about this company now it is starting to be evident I hated it and think it hurt the helo industry real bad.
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February 5th, 2008, 20:57
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| Re: Silver State Helo's Shutdown Are there Pay-For-Training helo companies like there are PFT companies for us fixed wing special kids? |
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February 5th, 2008, 21:18
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| Re: Silver State Helo's Shutdown Yeah there are some. One called boat pix. And there is a tour company in la that you pay for turbine time and flying block rate for tour flights. Shane
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