Am I ready for a regional?

[moxiepilot]

Originally Posted by sixoneseven

Just ignore some of the minds on here as most don't have anything valuable to contribute.

Hate to thread jack, but that seems like a pretty ballsy statement for someone who has been registered for a few months with under 50 posts of *valuable* things to contribute.

Probably ought to have stopped your advice before that statement.

$.02







Was that valuable????

[E_Dawg]

Apply, see where it takes you. Maybe nowhere, maybe a seniority number years before many people with your times would have obtained one. If you can succeed at training then more power to you. I think the safety aspect of it all is up to the feds, and-personal opinion only-they are doing the same historically horrible job they always have been at being proactive at safety. With respect to both rest requirements and hiring minimums

[JEP]

Originally Posted by sixoneseven

Sean, Apply and see what happens. If you get hired, then you're hired. Pay very little attention to some individuals on these forums. Some are just upset they're not where you are yet in their training. Others on here, don't even hold any pilot certificate.

My friend got hired with 6 hours of multi and nows hes flying a CRJ2. Just ignore some of the minds on here as most don't have anything valuable to contribute.

My only question is how can that be possible? Did you leave some information out? Maybe I missed something, but isn't there 10 hrs required for the ride? And that's just the PPL-Multi. Comm-Multi would seem to add a few more hours to his total.

[turbojet28]

You can do the add-on with as little time needed to become proficient in the class of airplane. I did my multi rating in 8 hours (checkride included). I've heard of some doing it in 5.

[PCL_128]

I did mine in just over 6 hours. The only time that you have to have certain time requirements is when you're doing it as a combined Multi-Comm ride. Just an add-on only requires proficiency.

[Acadia]

I still cant get over the comedy of my interview only several years back when hiring was slow. The question I got was probably a standard hiring one: "What makes you think you are ready to be a regional F/O with only 1400 hrs total time?" Knowing that the same airline hired plenty of 500hr pilots just a few years prior it kind of makes you want to tell the interviewer to ####! Given the current trend it makes the question even more comical now!

[chrisdahut1]

Originally Posted by ackeight

What are you doing taking your ATP written with 390hrs? Do you actually know the material in there or did you memorize it?????

The ATP written test has the largest collection of pointless material that I've ever seen. I'd just memorize it.

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by chrisdahut1

The ATP written test has the largest collection of pointless material that I've ever seen. I'd just memorize it.

Like, which part?

[sixoneseven]

Originally Posted by moxiepilot

Hate to thread jack, but that seems like a pretty ballsy statement for someone who has been registered for a few months with under 50 posts of *valuable* things to contribute.

Probably ought to have stopped your advice before that statement.

$.02

Was that valuable????

I guess you haven't heard of 'lurking' before. My statement may be "ballsy" to you but, its true none the less. I'm glad to see you gauge other member's aviation experience and insight based off of their post count or months they've been a registered member, really smart. While I've only been on these boards for a few months, I've been flying for over 10 years.

Originally Posted by JEP

My only question is how can that be possible? Did you leave some information out? Maybe I missed something, but isn't there 10 hrs required for the ride? And that's just the PPL-Multi. Comm-Multi would seem to add a few more hours to his total.

Just misinformation.

Originally Posted by BronxATP

Hey Sean,
Glad to see that your very excited to get started, however, I think it would be in your best interest to gain some more multi time as well as instructing experience. Most regionals want at least 50 of multi. Also, do you have a college degree?

-fly safe

You're a student pilot or not even yet at least according to your post about starting ATP in March 2008. I'm sure you don't have much insight yet into aviation, while I think its great you're getting into it, I highly doubt you're going to contribute much valuable information to someone who holds CP-ASMEL/IA and is looking to be hired. Unless of course, you work in aviation! Valuable information will come with time and your own self experience, not reading web boards online.

I don't mean to be harsh but, more people seem to be discouraging him from tossing an application out there than encouraging him. It seems some or most of these people don't really have any good firm understanding or insight on whats going on in aviation, they simply read these forums online and make their own opinion. Who cares if he applies or not? Who cares whether or not YOU think he is ready. I think most people want to be discouraging as if they're to protect a 'spot' in the industry for them. Send out your resume Sean and if the airline says you're ready then you're ready. There is a large amount of jealousy, wanna-be's and users with a lot of misinformation on these forums, As I've clearly illustrated for you, moxiepilot. btw, moxie is terrible.

Also, This not meant to be JC Specific. I know there are a lot of knowledgeable people on here. I just hate to see people not be positive about it.

[PCL_128]

Quick question: is that avatar a pic of you?

[moxiepilot]

Okay, I'll bite.

Originally Posted by sixoneseven

I guess you haven't heard of 'lurking' before.

riiiiight. Moving on.... Let's look at this statement:

Originally Posted by sixoneseven

Pay very little attention to some individuals on these forums. Some are just upset they're not where you are yet in their training. Others on here, don't even hold any pilot certificate.

What are you really telling us? That information on this site is bad? That what people have to offer is worthless? You're entitled to your view of how you view this site, and I encourage you to give that support of the member applying. Whats the worst that can happen? He doesn't get the job, nothing lost.

So lets move on....

My statement may be "ballsy" to you but, its true none the less. I'm glad to see you gauge other member's aviation experience and insight based off of their post count or months they've been a registered member, really smart. While I've only been on these boards for a few months, I've been flying for over 10 years.

Taking the previous quote, it sounds like you've only been lurking a few months. So for someone who states that they have only been on these boards for a few months you have been able to discern that the majority of the information disseminated here is worthless? You're a commercial instrument pilot, right (based on your sig) and I assume if you're in MA wearing the outfit that you're probably at DCA, right? So, now what experience are you bringing to the table for the hiring process?

No where previously, did I gauge your experience based on your membership length or post count. I stated that your statement was asinine. There is a wealth of information here and if your 10 years of flying experience can't show you that then it's time to take the blinders off.

I just find it challenging to wrap my head around your statement of:

Originally Posted by sixoneseven

Just ignore some of the minds on here as most don't have anything valuable to contribute.

As if your opinion is any more valuable than anyone elses. Maybe it would be easier if we came up with a sixoneseven list of approved people with posts of value.

Valuable information will come with time and your own self experience, not reading web boards online.

Lets take two aspects of this: first the original poster. You yourself are stating that experience comes with time, wouldn't it be prudent that the person gains a little more experience before applying? Second, again the valuable information thing. Why do you even bother if nothing can be gained by reading/lurking/contributing in a forum?

I don't mean to be harsh but, more people seem to be discouraging him from tossing an application out there than encouraging him. It seems some or most of these people don't really have any good firm understanding or insight on whats going on in aviation, they simply read these forums online and make their own opinion.

Have you looked at the memberlist? You have aviation school managers, freight pilots with 20 years experience, line captains, new FO's, student pilots, spouses of pilots, CFIs, charter pilots, line workers, desk jockeys, A & Ps, but no,

we don't have a clue as to whats happening in aviation.

There is a large amount of jealousy, wanna-be's and users with a lot of misinformation on these forums, As I've clearly illustrated for you, moxiepilot. btw, moxie is terrible.

In any forum (and I'm not speaking of online exclusively, rather the assembly of people and ideas), you are going to get misinformation and sometimes jealousy. As for making that clear, I really didn't get that. If you want to show us the misinformation, the jealousy, that's fine. But I really don't care.

As for you thinking I'm terrible, I also really don't care. I think there are enough people on the boards that do value my opinion and my experience. Just because you don't like me doesn't make me stay awake at night.

Also, This not meant to be JC Specific. I know there are a lot of knowledgeable people on here. I just hate to see people not be positive about it.

So many contradictions. What is your stance? How can you say that the information presented is worthless then turn around and say that there is knowledge here?

Whatever you do, thats great. I hope you continue to contribute to the forum and become an asset to the site. Maybe you can take that 10 years of experience and put it to good use encouraging people here. Maybe you can be the positive voice of reason.

I don't know - it's yet to be determined. But a word of advice, don't come in here all holier than thou because you've lurked. Some of us put a lot of time and energy into contributing and we might get some information wrong. Well, at least we're trying to do something rather than sitting idly by.

[cfii2007]

Originally Posted by chrisdahut1

The ATP written test has the largest collection of pointless material that I've ever seen. I'd just memorize it.

After studying for the exam, I honestly felt like throwing myself off a roof.

[athomeinthesky]

DCA is not in Massachusetts anymore

[FlySooner9]

heck if you want to apply for a regional why not do it? Sure you probably wont get hired but why not try? Sure hes got low time and yes historically his hours wouldn't even be close, but with regionals the way they are now a days why not try if he wants to go to the regionals? Isn't the worst that could happen for him is he doesn't get a call so he can than go instruct or pipeline whatever he can get. I respect everyone here but sometimes i really dont understand why yall have to bash the hell out of someone when he asks a simple question. If you don't think hes qualified just tell him in a professional way that he would probably be better off building a few more hundred hours. Instead yall just mock him and make fun of him and probably turn him away from jetcareers. Yeah im young you all know that, i know yall have way more knowledge and what not but all im saying is show some respect and professionalism to people. I dont care if i piss people here off or not, but some of you (not everyone) needs to grow up some and get over themselves

[JaceTheAce]

Okay, I'm sure I'm going to get yelled at by the airline pilots who paid their dues by instructing, flying checks Part 135 in icy conditions and barely dying, etc...

I got hired to fly a Dash at 201TT and 33ME. I was scared as hell the whole way through training because I felt "how could they think I'm ready to do this at such low time?" but, I kept a positive attitude the whole way through and I think that's what got me through it. If you have a good attitude and remain focused, it's possible to get through a Part 121 training program. Also, I was laid off from my job in my former real estate appraisal career and had a new airline job waiving under my nose - "hmm, should I take the new airline job flying Dash 8's or should I satisfy MTSU_Av8r and the rest of those against low-time pilots and say Hmm, I know I am about to lose my car and apartment while unemployed, but I don't deserve the job at low time, so let me just let some other 201TT pilot take the job, starve to death, and let this opportunity slip by me..." It was also a matter of survival. I was already jobless for 3 months and exhausted all my financial resources to begin CFI training. The real estate industry was dead at that moment and there was no way to seek employment within another appraisal firm.

I do feel really disadvantaged by not ever earning my CFI certificates and working as a CFI as I see how much valuable experience just went past me. I will some day earn my CFI.

[EatSleepFly]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

"hmm, should I take the new airline job flying Dash 8's or should I satisfy MTSU_Av8r and the rest

LOL... Jeez Lloyd- why do you always have to be hatin'?

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by EatSleepFly

LOL... Jeez Lloyd- why do you always have to be hatin'?

he'll get a kick outta this post

[moxiepilot]

the attitude is what gets you through.

lessons learned that can be valuable for those who find themselves in a similar predicament

[flhrci]

Originally Posted by LoadMasterC141

Not too many options with those times....

Get a few hundred more and you have alot more options....If you have a CFI, why not instruct a bit longer? If not, why not build some more multi, do a bit of banner, pipeline, aerial photgraphy?

I have been looking for one of those jobs for several months now while working on getting CFI. No luck.

David

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

. . . should I satisfy MTSU_Av8r

You can't satisfy me, Jace.

[Swen]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

You can't satisfy me, Jace.

ROFLCOPTER!!!!!11

[flyguy]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Without a doubt, you're ready. You can't learn anything as a CFI or flying freight that you don't already know.

Ya know Lloyd, although most of us around here can actually smell your sarcasm, the little tag goes a long way for the newbies who might be tempted to take you seriously.

[jtrain609]

Originally Posted by Swen

ROFLCOPTER!!!!!11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipZ67blyPMk

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

You can't satisfy me, Jace.

Alright, alright, you've had dog, cat, horse and MRE's. And now without trying him, you know that Jace can't satisfy you?

[Shhhh, not while im flyin]

Originally Posted by DoWhat?

I thought that this was a place where people could come and get real input from experienced aviation professionals.....Seems like it's turned into a "bash the stary eyed low time pilot" forum. 390 and 20 looks a little low as far as starting with the regionals. I would give some serious thought into working as a CFI or building your experience a little more with a pipeline/survey job.

I am currently doing aerial photography and ive flow in extrememly windy conditions, mountains, (no not the rockies, but its beta than airport elevation of 31 ft where i trained....florida...smh) and now im getting my ass kicked in Texas where theres an airmet for turbulence EVERYDAY! Its not all about time, its the experience!

Originally Posted by cfii2007

How much time have you logged on Microsoft Flight Simulator?

Thats wat it all boils down to. Ive got a 737 type rating. Do you think airtran will accept it?

Originally Posted by Mark815

Thats probably the dumbest response I've seen in a while. Thats whats wrong with aviation, everyone is an expert, i guess your family knows exactly who's flying the aircraft and what they hold for hours when they fly, do they check the maintenance logs too before getting on board?