PDT vs AWAC

slamma1906 · January 21st, 2008, 09:46

I have a buddy that lost his medical for three years. He got it back last year and flew aerial photography for a few months then got hired at PDT to start DHC-8 training next month in SBY. Now that AWAC is opening an RDU base, which is where he lives, he wants to jump ship at PDT for AWAC. He has 350/30 TT and no jet flying time at all. He just got back into flying and now he wants me to walk his stuff in and, leave the job he already has for AWAC. I'd love to walk it in as he is a good guy and it will net me $1200. With his flying history, does this sound like a good decision or should he stay at PDT?

surreal1221 · January 21st, 2008, 10:17

I'm sure some of the other AWAC gentlemen will respond, but here is my opinion.

AWAC minimums are what? 600/100? Or is it 600/50?

Either way, the guy is short, way short.

Would HR even invite him to an interview with those times? I wouldn't be too concerned with the lack of jet flying time. AWAC has hired CFI's who had zero jet time.

But, real easily, I'd say he stays at PDT. He'll gain some valuable turboprop experience in a crew environment. But leaving PDT before 600/100(50) I think, would be a very bad choice.

Snuggle · January 21st, 2008, 10:22

Why even take the job with PDT if he plans on jumping ship before training even starts? Don't show up for training and hold out for AWAC if that's what he wants.

surreal1221 · January 21st, 2008, 10:23

That too, so long as he has a means to build the required aviation experience.

slamma1906 · January 21st, 2008, 11:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by surreal1221

I'm sure some of the other AWAC gentlemen will respond, but here is my opinion.

AWAC minimums are what? 600/100? Or is it 600/50?

Either way, the guy is short, way short.

Would HR even invite him to an interview with those times? I wouldn't be too concerned with the lack of jet flying time. AWAC has hired CFI's who had zero jet time.

But, real easily, I'd say he stays at PDT. He'll gain some valuable turboprop experience in a crew environment. But leaving PDT before 600/100(50) I think, would be a very bad choice.

We have a refferal program here, so mins are out the window. I've recommended folk with very low time and they got a call.
The only concern we have come up with is what happens if training doesn't go well, he has burned the PDT bridge already and then AWAC, he's very low time, what next?

OldTownPilot · January 21st, 2008, 11:30

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Originally Posted by slamma1906

The only concern we have come up with is what happens if training doesn't go well, he has burned the PDT bridge already and then AWAC, he's very low time, what next?

get a CFI job.

slamma1906 · January 21st, 2008, 11:40

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Originally Posted by OldTownPilot

get a CFI job.

He is already $90,000 in debt from riddle w/no CFI or any loan company, as of today, that will approve him 4 a loan.

Ian J · January 21st, 2008, 11:42

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Originally Posted by slamma1906

He is already $90,000 in debt from riddle w/no CFI or any loan company, as of today, that will approve him 4 a loan.

Gasp!

That is certainly an interesting amount of money!

tprops4me · January 21st, 2008, 12:19

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Originally Posted by slamma1906

He is already $90,000 in debt from riddle w/no CFI or any loan company, as of today, that will approve him 4 a loan.

WTF!!!????

slamma1906 · January 21st, 2008, 12:30

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Originally Posted by tprops4me

WTF!!!????

Thats nothing, i'm $120K

SoCalAprch · January 21st, 2008, 13:02

120K where did u goto school?

adreamer · January 21st, 2008, 14:59

Well, just don't show up for the training.

SmitteyB · January 21st, 2008, 15:03

I don't think he has a choice.

He MUST go to PDT. With that amount of debt and those times, he should be GLAD to have a job- not trying to jump.

Go get some time at PDT, then leave. But don't burn the bridge!

Duck_Twacy · January 21st, 2008, 16:01

I must say, he has an interesting background to get hired with such low time and no CFI (walk-in at PDT?).

Seems to me, as mentioned, that he should consider himself lucky to have a job. He's not going to get rich at either place, so get the income flowing asap and starting paying off that debt....if that is even possible:

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Originally Posted by slamma1906

Thats nothing, i'm $120K

How does this happen?

wheelsup · January 21st, 2008, 16:26

I know riddle is running somewhere on the order of $24k/semester + another $10k or so per semester for flying, that's $160k-ish if you fly for 3 years.

That's WAY TO MUCH FREAKING MONEY...holy heck where is America heading? And how do people continue to go to ERAU for those costs?!?

Ian J · January 21st, 2008, 16:34

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Originally Posted by wheelsup

I know riddle is running somewhere on the order of $24k/semester + another $10k or so per semester for flying, that's $160k-ish if you fly for 3 years.

That's WAY TO MUCH FREAKING MONEY...holy heck where is America heading? And how do people continue to go to ERAU for those costs?!?

I know a guy whose nephew goes to FIT for their flight program. The kid's parents sold their house, and the father took an extra job in order to help pay the tuition. The reason the kid goes there is become some airline pilot told them that going to a University Flight Program is the only way to be a successful airline pilot.

I educated the guy I know, who in turn tried to talk to his brother about it. This apparently caused a family rift, and they don't talk so much any more. Last I heard, the kid wanted to quit and fly helicopters.

SmitteyB · January 21st, 2008, 16:56

The admissions department said ERAU is the "Harvard of Aviation"

Are you telling me they aren't...?

v1valarob · January 21st, 2008, 18:59

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Originally Posted by slamma1906

We have a refferal program here, so mins are out the window. I've recommended folk with very low time and they got a call.
The only concern we have come up with is what happens if training doesn't go well, he has burned the PDT bridge already and then AWAC, he's very low time, what next?

Without a referral the mins are 500/125 right?

Pretty pissed that I normally get a number from anyone I meet, except the 3 guys who got jobs at AWAC

stupid stupid stupid stupid

-Rob

CaptChris · January 21st, 2008, 19:49

Let the guy go to PDT... get some time/experience for 6 months, and then reccomend him for AWAC.

You'll be doing everyone at AWAC a favor as well as your friend. Training here has gotten tough man---look at the resignations every month... a lot are training failures. Let him go to PDT, get the time, experience, and get used to the USAirways "all together on-time" mentality (sarcasm) and then he'll be good to go.

WHEELS---CONGRATS ON CAPTAIN AWARD!

surreal1221 · January 21st, 2008, 20:01

So this referral program. . .

If an AWAC pilot turns in a resume, hour minimums are out the door?

Maximillian_Jenius · January 21st, 2008, 20:12

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Originally Posted by CaptChris

WHEELS---CONGRATS ON CAPTAIN AWARD!

www.doihaveafuturehere.org

Apparently, he does. Good deal Matt!

slamma1906 · January 21st, 2008, 23:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by surreal1221

So this referral program. . .

If an AWAC pilot turns in a resume, hour minimums are out the door?

I've referred folk with lower time and they got calls.

slamma1906 · January 21st, 2008, 23:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmitteyB

I don't think he has a choice.

He MUST go to PDT. With that amount of debt and those times, he should be GLAD to have a job- not trying to jump.

Go get some time at PDT, then leave. But don't burn the bridge!

ERAU is the place to thank for both our debts, but we got to live in sunny Daytona Beach!
I'm thinking he should go to PDT also, but I think their training will be just as hard as AWAC, right?

meyers9163 · January 21st, 2008, 23:47

121 training should not be a cake walk period.... However it just depends...

on and DAB sucks! man i hated my 6 months down there... Way over rated!

wheelsup · January 22nd, 2008, 10:59

Thanks chris

January 21st, 2008, 09:46	#1
slamma1906 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: ORF Posts: 128	PDT vs AWAC I have a buddy that lost his medical for three years. He got it back last year and flew aerial photography for a few months then got hired at PDT to start DHC-8 training next month in SBY. Now that AWAC is opening an RDU base, which is where he lives, he wants to jump ship at PDT for AWAC. He has 350/30 TT and no jet flying time at all. He just got back into flying and now he wants me to walk his stuff in and, leave the job he already has for AWAC. I'd love to walk it in as he is a good guy and it will net me $1200. With his flying history, does this sound like a good decision or should he stay at PDT? __________________ Mr T! B.S. CFI CFII MEI AGI IGI 6/26/06: CL-65 SIC typed

January 21st, 2008, 10:17	#2
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 8,655	Re: PDT vs AWAC I'm sure some of the other AWAC gentlemen will respond, but here is my opinion. AWAC minimums are what? 600/100? Or is it 600/50? Either way, the guy is short, way short. Would HR even invite him to an interview with those times? I wouldn't be too concerned with the lack of jet flying time. AWAC has hired CFI's who had zero jet time. But, real easily, I'd say he stays at PDT. He'll gain some valuable turboprop experience in a crew environment. But leaving PDT before 600/100(50) I think, would be a very bad choice. __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \|The TRoP \| Ramble On \|ALPA \| Your DD-214 is where?

January 21st, 2008, 10:22	#3
Snuggle Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 531	Re: PDT vs AWAC Why even take the job with PDT if he plans on jumping ship before training even starts? Don't show up for training and hold out for AWAC if that's what he wants.

January 21st, 2008, 10:23	#4
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 8,655	Re: PDT vs AWAC That too, so long as he has a means to build the required aviation experience. __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \|The TRoP \| Ramble On \|ALPA \| Your DD-214 is where?

January 21st, 2008, 13:02	#11
SoCalAprch Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: CVG Posts: 750	Re: PDT vs AWAC 120K where did u goto school? __________________ Florence Y'all

January 21st, 2008, 14:59	#12
adreamer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: AZO Posts: 1,301	Re: PDT vs AWAC Well, just don't show up for the training. __________________ CFI/CFII/MEI/Right seat

January 21st, 2008, 15:03	#13
SmitteyB Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,942	Re: PDT vs AWAC I don't think he has a choice. He MUST go to PDT. With that amount of debt and those times, he should be GLAD to have a job- not trying to jump. Go get some time at PDT, then leave. But don't burn the bridge! __________________ Colgan SAAB FO "Colgan Air...Pissing off the world 34 people at a time"

January 21st, 2008, 16:26	#15
wheelsup Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: _ Posts: 5,182	Re: PDT vs AWAC I know riddle is running somewhere on the order of $24k/semester + another $10k or so per semester for flying, that's $160k-ish if you fly for 3 years. That's WAY TO MUCH FREAKING MONEY...holy heck where is America heading? And how do people continue to go to ERAU for those costs?!? __________________ "It takes just as much time to be nice to someone as it does to be a jerk."

January 21st, 2008, 16:56	#17
SmitteyB Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,942	Re: PDT vs AWAC The admissions department said ERAU is the "Harvard of Aviation" Are you telling me they aren't...? __________________ Colgan SAAB FO "Colgan Air...Pissing off the world 34 people at a time"

January 21st, 2008, 19:49	#19
CaptChris Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 549	Re: PDT vs AWAC Let the guy go to PDT... get some time/experience for 6 months, and then reccomend him for AWAC. You'll be doing everyone at AWAC a favor as well as your friend. Training here has gotten tough man---look at the resignations every month... a lot are training failures. Let him go to PDT, get the time, experience, and get used to the USAirways "all together on-time" mentality (sarcasm) and then he'll be good to go. WHEELS---CONGRATS ON CAPTAIN AWARD! __________________ www.doihaveafuturehere.org

January 21st, 2008, 20:01	#20
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 8,655	Re: PDT vs AWAC So this referral program. . . If an AWAC pilot turns in a resume, hour minimums are out the door? __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \|The TRoP \| Ramble On \|ALPA \| Your DD-214 is where?

January 21st, 2008, 23:47	#24
meyers9163 Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,933	Re: PDT vs AWAC 121 training should not be a cake walk period.... However it just depends... on and DAB sucks! man i hated my 6 months down there... Way over rated!

January 22nd, 2008, 10:59	#25
wheelsup Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: _ Posts: 5,182	Re: PDT vs AWAC Thanks chris __________________ "It takes just as much time to be nice to someone as it does to be a jerk."

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