Crew Logs and Log Books

[cencal83406]

Hello. I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on this. I bought a "crew log" at the Stop Over Store and I've been putting in our block times (obviously), but what am I putting in the "old" logbook? Or is this the logbook? What's the dillio? Do I need to write somewhere in the logbook that I took my SIC type ride, or any of that time in the sim? Most I think would say no. And how the crap do I keep track of night/instrument/etc? I know I've been through some clouds and done some pretty tight approaches but I really haven't paid attention to how much time I've been in the clouds. I suppose I could just get night from looking at the times on crew trac and figuring based on sunrise-sunset times whether it quals?
Thanks in advance!

[USMCmech]

I keep track of my flying with my "crew log" little book, including night and inst time. Then once a week, I make a single entry in my "real" logbook with that weeks totals.

I don't bother with loging aproaches, and holds since my 6 month checks meet the requirement for an IPC and a BFR.

Any other flying and any special flights (135 prof check, type ride, ect) will get a specific entry.

[cencal83406]

If you put it in as one entry do you put down the airports at all? I suppose it really doesn't matter since the company has those records....

[USMCmech]

No, I don't put every airport I landed at. I suppose if I did anything really intersting, I might make a note of it.

This was last week

1/15 - 1/19 26.3 tt, SEL, solo, X-cty, PIC

16.8 night

3.4 inst

[NC_BE300]

When i'm out on trips- i use the shirt pocket "little red" book for the flight times, crew names, and info like that.
Some example entry would be:

Flight 5432, JFK-BOS, Block out 12:00, Block In 13:00, Total 1:00, T/O & Landing, and then a comment section.

In the comment section is where i put stuff down like actual IFR time, if an instrument approach was done, night time, etc.

At the end of the trip, i make sure the company recorded times online match the ones i have written down in my book- for pay & flight time purposes.

Then i go to my paper Jepp logbook, and fill in the blanks like 1.0 time, and all the other blocks like a standard logbook entry, and then i'll fill this in also on my computer for my electronic logbook that i use to get information, reports, lookup things, etc. faster with, compared to flipping through my paper logbooks page at a time trying to find something.
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Right now im in the process of putting these Jepp logbook entries into my electronic logbook- I use the "Logbook Pro" from NC Software.

There are other people that instead of using the paper logbook in the shirt pocket, the use a PDA with the airline pilot version of this electronic logbook, so that as the "write" all the same data blocks in the PDA functions, when they get home, the PDA will SYNC up to the regular logbook, and fill in the blanks for you.


It just depends on what works for you.

[Alchemy]

Here's my logbook:

http://www.logshare.com/log.jsp?emai...guo1@yahoo.com

My paper hardcopy looks the same.

As you can see I make a new line any time the date or tail number changes. I estimate instrument time and only log it on legs I was the pilot flying. 6 minutes of IMC = .1 and I try to stay honest to that.

I log night time only if some portion of the flight took place from 1 hour after sunset to 1 hour after sunrise. I check this by going to airnav.com, checking some airports along the route and estimating at what point I hit the 1 hour after sunset line. I log approaches only if I was the pilot flying and encountered IMC inside the final approach fix.

While I'm on a trip, I keep track of this in the small crew log, transfer it to my electronic logbook weekly, and transfer everything to my master logbook whenever I get around to it (once a year or so).
I take a pretty conservative approach so as not to give anyone the impression I'm padding times, even if I do miss out on some items I could be legally logging.

Although you could legally log your simulator time, I would not worry about it as it is inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. Also, everyone knows you passed your 121 checkride if you've been employed by that carrier for any length of time. The airline is responsible for keeping a record of your training, not you.