ASA's new minimums, and something interesting... - Page 2

surreal1221 · January 19th, 2008, 08:10

A JC flying club starting?

Team CFI

Team everybody else (except 121 guys)

Team 121 Guys

mikecweb · January 19th, 2008, 08:19

You and your fanclubs.

Don't forget the dawgs. Can't lump us in with anyone else.

surreal1221 · January 19th, 2008, 11:58

Nah, not a fan club by any means.

So, Team CFI, Team OOTSK (who'd of course beat all of us), Team Everybody else (student pilots, recretional types), Team 121?

Bluehen · January 19th, 2008, 12:54

And we get in these flame wars and spend all this money for what? An 18K a year job with no certainty?

Maybe Ill get my CFI, would rather be in the same place, with a better schedule, at home, and making more money, and being more knowledgeable..

jtrain609 · January 19th, 2008, 13:25

It's not about you, it's about the people you're being paid to safeguard and transport.

777forever · January 19th, 2008, 13:25

How many people actually made 18-20k their first yr? I doubt many did. And pay goes up substantially the next couple years, especially at the better regionals. One XJT captain on here made 9k one month. Even with all the whining, the job of a regional pilot is one of the better paying jobs in America, especially without a college degree.

jtrain609 · January 19th, 2008, 13:32

No doubt, but if you want to survive in this industry and be at one of the best carriers, you better be more competative than to say, "Well it pays ENOUGH."

It'll never pay enough, you'll never have enough days off and the work rules will never be good enough. If you have any other attitude, in my opinion, you'll just settle.

Seggy · January 19th, 2008, 13:40

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Originally Posted by 777forever

Even with all the whining, the job of a regional pilot is one of the better paying jobs in America, especially without a college degree.

Regional pilots are taking the mainline jobs. We are doing it for 25% pay.

DC-9, 737-200 FOs on second year pay a few years ago were making six figures.

mtsu_av8er · January 19th, 2008, 14:07

I wish I'd just gone Jet U. Then I could have been a lot farther ahead than I am now.

All I do is short flights, multiple airplane changes during the day, and long airport sits. My schedule sucks, and the pay stinks. If I'd just gone Jet U and skipped the CFI and freight crap, I'd be a Captain now. Making more money, and probably have a lot more seniority.

Life sucks.

AngelFuree · January 19th, 2008, 14:14

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Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

I wish I'd just gone Jet U. Then I could have been a lot farther ahead than I am now.

All I do is short flights, multiple airplane changes during the day, and long airport sits. My schedule sucks, and the pay stinks. If I'd just gone Jet U and skipped the CFI and freight crap, I'd be a Captain now. Making more money, and probably have a lot more seniority.

Life sucks.

Well.............there IS some truth to what you said. (that's the sad part!) lol....the best part would be you'd have a chance to be in their commercials wearing epaulets.

t-cart · January 19th, 2008, 14:20

Since there is no Crop Duster team listed,Can I be on the freightdawg team?Sincerely,T.C.

777forever · January 19th, 2008, 14:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seggy

Regional pilots are taking the mainline jobs. We are doing it for 25% pay.

DC-9, 737-200 FOs on second year pay a few years ago were making six figures.

True, but there's a heck of a whole lot more jobs now then there was back then. If it was back in the old days most of us would still be CFIing or flying freight for less than 20k anyway. Back in the old days CFIs got what 7-10 bucks an hr? Isn't mainline creating more jobs now with all the international expansion?

mikecweb · January 19th, 2008, 14:30

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Originally Posted by 777forever

True, but there's a heck of a whole lot more jobs now then there was back then. If it was back in the old days most of us would still be CFIing or flying freight for less than 20k anyway. Back in the old days CFIs got what 7-10 bucks an hr? Isn't mainline creating more jobs now with all the international expansion?

I just can't let that one go.
Hey Lloyd how much were you making flying that 210 and Baron?

jtrain609 · January 19th, 2008, 14:33

Hey I'll chime in! I took a pretty serious pay cut going from Amflight to Express, on the order of about $15,000 a year.

Seggy · January 19th, 2008, 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by 777forever

True, but there's a heck of a whole lot more jobs now then there was back then. If it was back in the old days most of us would still be CFIing or flying freight for less than 20k anyway. Back in the old days CFIs got what 7-10 bucks an hr? Isn't mainline creating more jobs now with all the international expansion?

Are there more jobs? That is debatable. Probably more low paying entry level jobs. There really is no shortage.

We should work to change this industry. When hired on at a regional, you get a mainline seniority number. That is something we should strive for.

Gonzo · January 19th, 2008, 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtrain609

Hey I'll chime in! I took a pretty serious pay cut going from Amflight to Express, on the order of about $15,000 a year.

But didn't a lot of people say the pay was because the cost of living out there. Just look now you live in a low cost of living part of the US.

Do I need the tag.

777forever · January 19th, 2008, 15:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecweb

I just can't let that one go.
Hey Lloyd how much were you making flying that 210 and Baron?

Yo Mike Im talking back in the old old old days like late 80s early 90s compared to now. Even flight instructors make the big bucks nowadays. Was trying to diss your clique

surreal1221 · January 19th, 2008, 15:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by t-cart

Since there is no Crop Duster team listed,Can I be on the freightdawg team?Sincerely,T.C.

Approved

beechpilot · January 19th, 2008, 16:17

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Originally Posted by Seggy

A darn good post.

...and I am going to say it and everyone can kiss my hairy A$$ I am in a ticked off mood. (if you go the civilian way) CFI'ING IS the best way to build time along with flying freight once you get some more hours.

Ever since I got my CFII, my instrument skills have greatly improved by watching.

SmoothLanderJ · January 19th, 2008, 16:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtrain609

Hey I'll chime in! I took a pretty serious pay cut going from Amflight to Express, on the order of about $15,000 a year.

WOW........

777forever · January 19th, 2008, 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtrain609

Hey I'll chime in! I took a pretty serious pay cut going from Amflight to Express, on the order of about $15,000 a year.

When you start making 2nd yr pay? It'll immediately be a raise with the bank some FOs over derr pull in.

jtrain609 · January 19th, 2008, 17:10

When I start second year pay I'll CATCH UP to what I was making.

If I had stayed at Amflight, I'd be in the Beech 99 right now, logging turbine PIC time and in a few months I'd be in the Metroliner. I made some decisions about what was more important to me in life, though, and part of that involves about 5'0" worth of cute that I'm getting married to in September.

Money ain't everything, and neither is career advancement. I realized at one point I was going to have Southwest mins by the time I was 26 and a half, but I also realized I was going to hate flying if I progressed that fast.

NickH · January 19th, 2008, 17:12

Instructing is my job, but I fly banners for fun!

I can see both sides of the argument. I'm in no doubt that bannertowing improved my stick and rudder skills far more than being a CFI. But I can also see the flight management aspect of instructing would be more use to the airlines.

Which is why I have no interest in going to the airlines!

brent p h · January 19th, 2008, 17:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by esa17

My take on the CFI'ing thing is this:

Sure other types of flying take a great deal of proficiency but one thing that localizer won't do is try and bully you into making a bad decision or try and challenge your authority. Dealing with the different personalities we run into as CFI's is something you won't get letting people know which strip club has the best lunch buffet on Tuesdays. The ability to deal with conflicts and different personalities is probably what they're looking for.

I'm finishing my application tonight!

Lunch buffet at the strip club!!! Now your talkin my language!! LOL what's all this jet U talk I'm hearing on these forums? Who and what are they?

Nick · January 19th, 2008, 20:46

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Originally Posted by 777forever

When you start making 2nd yr pay? It'll immediately be a raise with the bank some FOs over derr pull in.

I thought the XJT FO I met at an airport two weeks ago we were both jumpseating on an AA flight out of was full of crap when he told me he made $63,000 in 2007 before taxes but he was not joking.

January 19th, 2008, 08:10	#26
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 8,655	Re: ASA's new minimums, and something interesting... A JC flying club starting? Team CFI Team everybody else (except 121 guys) Team 121 Guys __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \|The TRoP \| Ramble On \|ALPA \| Your DD-214 is where?

January 19th, 2008, 11:58	#28
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 8,655	Re: ASA's new minimums, and something interesting... Nah, not a fan club by any means. So, Team CFI, Team OOTSK (who'd of course beat all of us), Team Everybody else (student pilots, recretional types), Team 121? __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \|The TRoP \| Ramble On \|ALPA \| Your DD-214 is where?

January 19th, 2008, 12:54	#29
Bluehen Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 102	Re: ASA's new minimums, and something interesting... And we get in these flame wars and spend all this money for what? An 18K a year job with no certainty? Maybe Ill get my CFI, would rather be in the same place, with a better schedule, at home, and making more money, and being more knowledgeable..

January 19th, 2008, 13:25	#30
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,100	Re: ASA's new minimums, and something interesting... It's not about you, it's about the people you're being paid to safeguard and transport. __________________ "I could stand at the end of the line of the general mills cereal plant to make sure that all the lucky charms are up to par for 38k a year." -snickersnwa

January 19th, 2008, 13:25	#31
777forever Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ATL Posts: 1,695	Re: ASA's new minimums, and something interesting... How many people actually made 18-20k their first yr? I doubt many did. And pay goes up substantially the next couple years, especially at the better regionals. One XJT captain on here made 9k one month. Even with all the whining, the job of a regional pilot is one of the better paying jobs in America, especially without a college degree. __________________ Comm-ASEL, MEL, Inst. CFI, CFII, MEI TT: 700 Part 121 ATR72 FO B.S. Aviation Management-Business Minor Southeastern Oklahoma State University Cum Laude Graduate

January 19th, 2008, 13:32	#32
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,100	Re: ASA's new minimums, and something interesting... No doubt, but if you want to survive in this industry and be at one of the best carriers, you better be more competative than to say, "Well it pays ENOUGH." It'll never pay enough, you'll never have enough days off and the work rules will never be good enough. If you have any other attitude, in my opinion, you'll just settle. __________________ "I could stand at the end of the line of the general mills cereal plant to make sure that all the lucky charms are up to par for 38k a year." -snickersnwa

January 19th, 2008, 14:07	#34
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,403	Re: ASA's new minimums, and something interesting... I wish I'd just gone Jet U. Then I could have been a lot farther ahead than I am now. All I do is short flights, multiple airplane changes during the day, and long airport sits. My schedule sucks, and the pay stinks. If I'd just gone Jet U and skipped the CFI and freight crap, I'd be a Captain now. Making more money, and probably have a lot more seniority. Life sucks. __________________ ------- "Sadness bears no remedy for the problems in your life."

January 19th, 2008, 14:20	#36
t-cart Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In the sticks Posts: 596	Re: ASA's new minimums, and something interesting... Since there is no Crop Duster team listed,Can I be on the freightdawg team?Sincerely,T.C.

January 19th, 2008, 14:33	#39
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,100	Re: ASA's new minimums, and something interesting... Hey I'll chime in! I took a pretty serious pay cut going from Amflight to Express, on the order of about $15,000 a year. __________________ "I could stand at the end of the line of the general mills cereal plant to make sure that all the lucky charms are up to par for 38k a year." -snickersnwa

January 19th, 2008, 17:10	#47
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,100	Re: ASA's new minimums, and something interesting... When I start second year pay I'll CATCH UP to what I was making. If I had stayed at Amflight, I'd be in the Beech 99 right now, logging turbine PIC time and in a few months I'd be in the Metroliner. I made some decisions about what was more important to me in life, though, and part of that involves about 5'0" worth of cute that I'm getting married to in September. Money ain't everything, and neither is career advancement. I realized at one point I was going to have Southwest mins by the time I was 26 and a half, but I also realized I was going to hate flying if I progressed that fast. __________________ "I could stand at the end of the line of the general mills cereal plant to make sure that all the lucky charms are up to par for 38k a year." -snickersnwa

January 19th, 2008, 17:12	#48
NickH Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 625	Re: ASA's new minimums, and something interesting... Instructing is my job, but I fly banners for fun! I can see both sides of the argument. I'm in no doubt that bannertowing improved my stick and rudder skills far more than being a CFI. But I can also see the flight management aspect of instructing would be more use to the airlines. Which is why I have no interest in going to the airlines!

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