Free Four Year Degree...

bronco21016 · January 17th, 2008, 17:35

Thought maybe some people just getting started out would want to see this... Clicky

WMU is now offering to pay tuition in full of all of their CFI's. This means you could go out and get all of your ratings at a FBO for low cost, get hired as a CFI at WMU and while building time you could go to school and get a 4-year degree in anything you want for FREE!

I'm pretty excited about this as well because this means my last year of college will be free and my last two semesters have been paid through scholarships. I managed to get through a 4-year flying program paying only for flight and a year of tuition. This just shows that not everyone's experience in a 4-year University program is bad.

EineBeBoP · January 17th, 2008, 18:34

Just incase you dont have Reader:

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January 1, 2008
WESTERN MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY
237 N. Helmer Rd. Battle Creek, MI 49037
Tel: (269) 964-6375
Fax: (269) 964-4676
Email: thomas.grossman@wmich.edu
Web Site: http://www.wmich.edu/aviation

FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR POSITION IN
PROGRESSIVE COLLEGIATE ENVIRONMENT

Western Michigan University is seeking qualified candidates to join our flight instructional
team. Instructors are responsible for teaching courses in a FAR Part 141 and Part 61
environment including but not limited to private, commercial, instrument, multi-engine and flight
instructor courses.
The aircraft training fleet is comprised of state of the art, Cirrus SR20, Cirrus SR22, PA-28R-
200, PA-34-220T, PA-44-180 and PA-18 Amphibian. (45 aircraft total)

Instructor pay is based on hourly pay rates of:
$17/ hour for intern (0 – 200 hours instruction given at WMU);
$23/ hour for regular (200 – 700 hours instruction given at WMU);
$29/hour for full performance (700+ hours instruction given at WMU) and
$15/hour for non-instructional duties.

Benefits include:
University Benefits Include - PLUS -
Employee Tuition Waiver (100% Discount)
Dependant Tuition Discount (75% Discount)
Community Blue Medical Health Insurance Plan
Prescription Drug Coverage
Paid Holiday Leave (8 days per year)
Paid Vacation (Starting up to 12 days per year)
Paid Sick Leave (Up to 13 days per year)
Other Leave (FMLA, Military, Jury Duty,
Bereavement)
Tax Deferred Savings Plans ( 403(b) and 457(b) )
Flexible Spending Accounts
Campus Parking Permit
And more….

College Benefits Include
Pay during indoc training
Free proficiency time in aircraft and
state of the art simulation
Reduced prices for pilot training
Aircraft rental privileges
Paid FAA medical
Reduced price JET course (CRJ sim)
Great Work Environment

Minimum qualifications include commercial SEL pilot certificate, and single engine airplane
flight instructor certificate. Serious candidates will have their instrument instructor rating.

Apply with cover letter and resume via email to thomas.grossman@wmich.edu

How long do you think this kind of opportunity is available?
Could I go from PPL to CFI in a year flying full time, and semi-reliably get a job here for college afterwards?

jtrain609 · January 17th, 2008, 18:40

If I could get Emily to move back to Kalamazoo...

bronco21016 · January 17th, 2008, 18:47

It's hard to say how long this will last. It is pretty much guarenteed though that it will last as long as the regionals keep hiring like they are. What would be really cool is if you get hired with this benefit package you get to keep it as long as you work for WMU. I doubt it works that way though.

I'm not sure if you get AvWeb but they recently ran an article where Mr. Grossman told them instructors were only at WMU for an average of 4-6 months. The turn over rate we have going is incredible. Over Christmas break we lost 4 of our 7 Piper Seneca instructors. You can literally walk in the door with a CFI cert. and they will say sign here. That's it.

I'm debating actually staying at WMU to get a second degree while I build some time just because the pay is better than first year FO pay and they'll pay for me to go to school.

SmitteyB · January 17th, 2008, 18:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtrain609

If I could get Emily to move back to Kalamazoo...

Would you go back to instructing John?

aloft · January 17th, 2008, 18:59

Tell them if they'll pay for my CFI tickets, I'll come instruct in their Senecas for 6 months.

jtrain609 · January 17th, 2008, 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmitteyB

Would you go back to instructing John?

To get a free graduate degree? Heck yeah! Only problem is my girl's job is out here in Utah, so we're not leaving.

And to tell you the truth I enjoyed teaching, and I'm looking forward to being able to do it again.

EineBeBoP · January 17th, 2008, 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by aloft

Tell them if they'll pay for my CFI tickets, I'll come instruct in their Senecas for 6 months.

Hell if they train me from PPL to CFI Ill stay for a good year or two to instruct at least. Probably more if im working on a degree.

jtrain609 · January 17th, 2008, 19:20

FYI, if you're going to Western Michigan and paying out of state tuition for any period of time it's about as expensive as Riddle. Michigan schools are NOT cheap right now in any way.

EineBeBoP · January 17th, 2008, 19:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtrain609

FYI, if you're going to Western Michigan and paying out of state tuition for any period of time it's about as expensive as Riddle. Michigan schools are NOT cheap right now in any way.

But if its a 100% Tuition waiver....
What would I be paying?

jtrain609 · January 17th, 2008, 19:30

Should be nothing, but if you were to go to Western as an out of state student and get your private through MEI it'd take you probably 3 years and you'd be paying out of state tuition during that time.

PGT · January 17th, 2008, 19:52

This should be in all schools. You are a school employee and therefore should be able to receive free tuition.

My good friend is the director of security/housing and he gets free tuition, room, & meals. He won't pay a dime for his 4yr degree.

bronco21016 · January 17th, 2008, 20:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by aloft

Tell them if they'll pay for my CFI tickets, I'll come instruct in their Senecas for 6 months.

Actually they're getting people their MEIs right now after what happened with our Seneca instructors.

I don't think they'd take someone from the outside though and get them their MEI.

88MPH · January 17th, 2008, 21:40

Quote:

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Dependant Tuition Discount (75% Discount)

Does this include Grad school?

Comair 100ER · January 18th, 2008, 00:41

that is a killer deal!! i wish i had my cfi!...

...even though they beat us every year at regionals :-/

January 17th, 2008, 17:35	#1
bronco21016 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 73	Free Four Year Degree... Thought maybe some people just getting started out would want to see this... Clicky WMU is now offering to pay tuition in full of all of their CFI's. This means you could go out and get all of your ratings at a FBO for low cost, get hired as a CFI at WMU and while building time you could go to school and get a 4-year degree in anything you want for FREE! I'm pretty excited about this as well because this means my last year of college will be free and my last two semesters have been paid through scholarships. I managed to get through a 4-year flying program paying only for flight and a year of tuition. This just shows that not everyone's experience in a 4-year University program is bad. __________________ -- Justin

January 17th, 2008, 18:40	#3
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,100	Re: Free Four Year Degree... If I could get Emily to move back to Kalamazoo... __________________ "I could stand at the end of the line of the general mills cereal plant to make sure that all the lucky charms are up to par for 38k a year." -snickersnwa

January 17th, 2008, 18:47	#4
bronco21016 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 73	Re: Free Four Year Degree... It's hard to say how long this will last. It is pretty much guarenteed though that it will last as long as the regionals keep hiring like they are. What would be really cool is if you get hired with this benefit package you get to keep it as long as you work for WMU. I doubt it works that way though. I'm not sure if you get AvWeb but they recently ran an article where Mr. Grossman told them instructors were only at WMU for an average of 4-6 months. The turn over rate we have going is incredible. Over Christmas break we lost 4 of our 7 Piper Seneca instructors. You can literally walk in the door with a CFI cert. and they will say sign here. That's it. I'm debating actually staying at WMU to get a second degree while I build some time just because the pay is better than first year FO pay and they'll pay for me to go to school. __________________ -- Justin

January 17th, 2008, 18:59	#6
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 6,723	Re: Free Four Year Degree... Tell them if they'll pay for my CFI tickets, I'll come instruct in their Senecas for 6 months. __________________ Commercial Pilot, ASEL/AMEL/IA Chief Pilot, aerial mapping company Mountain-qualified Search & Rescue/Disaster Relief Mission Pilot, Civil Air Patrol 850+ TT/25 ME B.S., Psychology, University of Utah

January 17th, 2008, 19:20	#9
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,100	Re: Free Four Year Degree... FYI, if you're going to Western Michigan and paying out of state tuition for any period of time it's about as expensive as Riddle. Michigan schools are NOT cheap right now in any way. __________________ "I could stand at the end of the line of the general mills cereal plant to make sure that all the lucky charms are up to par for 38k a year." -snickersnwa

January 17th, 2008, 19:30	#11
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,100	Re: Free Four Year Degree... Should be nothing, but if you were to go to Western as an out of state student and get your private through MEI it'd take you probably 3 years and you'd be paying out of state tuition during that time. __________________ "I could stand at the end of the line of the general mills cereal plant to make sure that all the lucky charms are up to par for 38k a year." -snickersnwa

January 17th, 2008, 19:52	#12
PGT Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: DSM Posts: 2,950	Re: Free Four Year Degree... This should be in all schools. You are a school employee and therefore should be able to receive free tuition. My good friend is the director of security/housing and he gets free tuition, room, & meals. He won't pay a dime for his 4yr degree. __________________ PPL 55 hours TT

January 18th, 2008, 00:41	#15
Comair 100ER Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Brunswick/Kent Posts: 74	Re: Free Four Year Degree... that is a killer deal!! i wish i had my cfi!... ...even though they beat us every year at regionals :-/

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