New JetBlue Mins - Hope for Helo bubbas?

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

I say bad luck, I'm sure other's here would say karma.

Yeah. Karma for living in HSV.

On the "no hope without a degree thing....." I'm a big supporter of applying anyway, no degree but not a requirement? Apply. Mins listed that you don't meet, but it says they're flexible? Apply. The worst that can happen is they so "no." Even then, you're no worse off then than you were before. Heck, I was below 1000TT when I applied here, and I still got the job. Keep in mind this was back in the day where if you had less than 1000 and didn't do a bridge program you were more or less stuck.

[SkyCougar]

Originally Posted by OldTownPilot

Suck up

Hey now! Why would I suck up to those three guys?

After all, I put butts in the seats of their planes! They should suck up to me! Although, I suppose if I ever find myself on one of their flights with a coach ticket, I could suck up with the hopes that they'd bump me up to first class. (hint, hint to Staplegun if I should find myself on his Dubai flight)

I just happen to think that the only three chopper guys I know are nice guys! (well my cousin flew choppers in Vietnam and I know him too)

So OldTown, you like Irish lassies, do ya?

[Hacker15e]

Dudes.

This thread is about a quasi-Major that is recognizing helo time.

Take the 4-year degree discussion over to that other 69-page thread specifically discussing that point.

[Velocipede]

Well, its about stinkin' time. Of course the down side is that it was scaBlue that broke the code.

[OldTownPilot]

Originally Posted by SkyCougar

So OldTown, you like Irish lassies, do ya?

Why yes i do

[X-Forces]

Originally Posted by Ian J

Ahh, I was just joking around.

The same would be true of the Army community. Most don't know a thing about airlines, unions, or anything. If they happen to be fixed-wing rated they'd probably unknowingly jump on this.

I would beg to differ Ian.

Even though it did start to really turn my gears, airlines pissing all over rotor time ...***COUGH***....Eagle...NJC07...***COUGH***, I still wouldn't touch this on with a ten foot pole.

[taseal]

I was expecting

' Instrument Rating'
'Multi Engine Commercial rating'



pretty close I guess

[Hacker15e]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Well, its about stinkin' time. Of course the down side is that it was scaBlue that broke the code.

Agreed...I've always thought it very strange that helo time -- especially military helo time -- was so completely ignored in the airline industry.

I understand that a helo-only pilot would have a tough time making the transition, but I never got why a guy with a bunch of fixed wing and multi time in addition to helo time would not be able to "use it".

Personally, I think that flying helos takes an immense amount of airmanship and, frankly, is really tough to do (for a fighter guy, at least!). Trying to hover one of those sonsabitches is pretty damn humbling!

[taseal]

Originally Posted by Hacker15e

Agreed...I've always thought it very strange that helo time -- especially military helo time -- was so completely ignored in the airline industry.

I understand that a helo-only pilot would have a tough time making the transition, but I never got why a guy with a bunch of fixed wing and multi time in addition to helo time would not be able to "use it".

Personally, I think that flying helos takes an immense amount of airmanship and, frankly, is really tough to do (for a fighter guy, at least!). Trying to hover one of those sonsabitches is pretty damn humbling!

I bet!

I know of someone who can pick up tires with his undercarriage sled thingy! (or w/e that thing is called LOL)

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Hopefully, most helo pilots are too smart to sign on with a scumbag non-Union outfit.

Typically, military members are not too focused are even aware of what a union does.

Most (typically) military members don't have a problem with an employer walking over them, leaders in the military do it day in and day out.

But, I think you already know that.

[Rocketman99]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

Typically, military members are not too focused are even aware of what a union does.

Most (typically) military members don't have a problem with an employer walking over them, leaders in the military do it day in and day out.

But, I think you already know that.

Sad but true.

[Hacker15e]

In my time in the USAF, both as a maintainer and as an aviator, I've never been "walked on" to the extent that airline management walks on labor groups (as it has been described to me by people who live it).

Not even in the same league.

As I've described before, military aviators don't understand the pilot union concept because we are bred in an environment where the leadership DOES care about us. Where things like crew rest, qualifications, and mission safety are things that the leadership is heavily vested in. We operate in an environment where the military tries to shield us from FAA violations (as in items on the flight plan being "on file" at home station, instead of written on the plan for prosecution use).

So, we don't have the mentality that the leadership is trying to shaft us. We don't think of "management" as the enemy...but simply the people who we fly for while they are the #####screens for us.

Military guys need the reasons for a pilot union explained to them, because it doesn't make sense based on everything they've known since day one as a student.

That being said...once it IS explained, there's no question why.

[Velocipede]

I agree with Hacker. Even my worst CO knew that you took care of the troops first. This concept is completely foreign to airline managers...as jetBlue, Virgin, Allegiant and Skybus pilots are quick to find out.

[jtrain609]

Don't forget about Mesa, Trans States, United narrowbody, CAL 737 FO's, Northwest and Airways.

[Hacker15e]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

I agree with Hacker. Even my worst CO knew that you took care of the troops first. This concept is completely foreign to airline managers...as jetBlue, Virgin, Allegiant and Skybus pilots are quick to find out.

Yup...again, a tough concept for a military guy who has never worked in the big-business world to wrap his mind around.

[Low_Level_Hell]

It's suprising that no one has yet wrote anything against the idea counting RW time so heavily for flying a major carrier.

I'm glad its being recognized a valuable time, though the glass cockpit familiarity should be the least of the reasons why. My opinion may be heavily biased but military RW flying can be very demanding compared to flying a Dutchess or Seneca from point A to B. Granted helo guys don't get much instrument time but if you can fly something as squirelly as a helicopter in instrument conditions that says alot about your control touch.

Though I doubt I'd even get an interview with them, I'd go to JetBlue when I can get out in two years if the above qualifications are true. They pay much better than your typical regional carrier, which until a few months ago I didn't even think I was considered a qualified applicant. Besides unlike my current job, if I think I was being treated bad I could just walk away.

[Velocipede]

Don't be an idiot. Look at the big picture. Go to an outfit like jetBlue and you're betting your career. That could be the end of the line, especially if you get pilots on your next interview board who realize what the scumbag non-Union airlines like jetBlue, Virgin, Allegiant and Skybus are doing to the industry.

Additionally, there are plenty of Captains who won't let a jetBlue slug ride the jumpseat. So, you'd better live in NYC or LA, because commuting will be hell.

Pay your dues. Go to a respectable Union regional, then up to a legacy. Don't be a selfish tool and stab the rest of the piloting profession in the back by working for a non-Union outfit that undercuts Union pay and benefit packages.

[Low_Level_Hell]

Geesh, don't know where that came from. Has nothing to do with the topic on hand as well.

[Velocipede]

It came from the fact that you said you'd accept employment with a lowlife, scumbag non-Union outfit for money. Because they paid more than the regionals do.

That's the attitude most often displayed by #####s and scabs.

Think about it.

[Fins Up]

On the other hand, it is very rare our commuters have difficulty commuting to work on another airline. I got upgraded to first class from Philly to Italy in December. The pilots and FA's were very hospitable.

We have lots of other airline commuters riding on us all the time. We're always glad to help them out.

Don't believe all that "no one will hire you because you worked at JetBlue" stuff. Your odds of being denied a job for that are probably about as slim as being denied a ride with another airline? Did I mention that RARELY happens?

Besides, when the inevitable union gets in then all is forgotten, right?

[OldTownPilot]

I was an airline CSA for 2 years at a station that had a few JB commuters. Never saw one guy at any airline get denied. Never. Probably put over 100 JB jumpseaters on airplanes. I think this whole internet forum JS war is just a myth that a few people like to spread.

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by OldTownPilot

I was an airline CSA for 2 years at a station that had a few JB commuters. Never saw one guy at any airline get denied. Never. Probably put over 100 JB jumpseaters on airplanes. I think this whole internet forum JS war is just a myth that a few people like to spread.

Nah, I'm sure it happens. It's just not as widespread as some people think/hope.

I still think it's better to educate those at a non-union airline. Saying "Sorry, no ride for you" only makes them anti-union more b/c they don't want to work with that kind of person. And ya know, I don't blame them. I'd be much more open to someone saying "Sure, we'll give ya a ride. What's going on at your place? Say, ya know. Over here our union did XXXX. It would probably work over at your airline, too." etc, etc. Saying "no" just ticks the person off, and you lose the opportunity to be an ambassador for change.

[OldTownPilot]

Yeah, I'm sure it happens on occasion too, just that I haven't seen it. Granted this was all regional airlines flying, maybe its different at the Majors?

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by OldTownPilot

Yeah, I'm sure it happens on occasion too, just that I haven't seen it. Granted this was all regional airlines flying, maybe its different at the Majors?

I've seen a JS refused once, and I happened to agree 100% with the CA. Poor GoJets guy got left at the gate in SDF, but oh well. Somewhere there's a TSA guy that was either furloughed or watched his QoL errode b/c this guy decided CRJ-700s were shiny and neat. Had nothing to do with if he was union (and they are) or not.

[Velocipede]

We used to have a Capt. who refused the jumpseat to ONLINE pilots. His rationale, "I don't ask for the jumpseat, so I don't give the jumpseat."

Some here may say he was an <jerk>, but he was 100% correct according to OUR company regs and Section 115. All you can do is say "Thanks, anyway" and go to your next option.