Question!

Crockrocket94 · January 14th, 2008, 23:47

When an airline begins to cut back, what is the first thing they decide to chop off in regards to FO's, is it senority number, tt, pic?

BobDDuck · January 14th, 2008, 23:55

If there is a contract, they are normally required to do it by seniority number (in reverse). So the most junior guy will be the first one to get furloughed. There are a few places (mostly ghetto sort of places) that have furloughed outside of seniority order for various reasons. That tends to be bad juju.

wheelsup · January 15th, 2008, 00:49

If you work where I think you work, you've got nothing to worry about for the time being. The CO is fat on FO's but not THAT fat, and unless you know something I don't the flying isn't going away just yet.

Disregard if you were just asking a general question

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BobDDuck · January 15th, 2008, 01:10

Not knocking the guy as I don't know who he is, but I'd hope somebody who works for an airline already would understand how seniority works. At the end of the day, that's about all we have.

Airdale · January 15th, 2008, 01:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

Not knocking the guy as I don't know who he is, but I'd hope somebody who works for an airline already would understand how seniority works. At the end of the day, that's about all we have.

And Flight Attendants Bobby....don't forget about them. We have flight attendants and each other too. At the end of the day, isn't that what matters most?

Crockrocket94 · January 15th, 2008, 12:10

Nope, I do not work for an airline.

Just a CFI

Thx for the input.

The foundation of the question came when I was thinking of all these really low timers being put in the cockpit with like 190-300tt, and about 150 or so PIC. Now, they are not going to get PIC until they upgrade to CA, and I was also wondering how they got the PIC requirements. Or is it just a TT deal?

BobDDuck · January 15th, 2008, 12:26

Most airlines have a way of waving the PIC requirement for an ATP. You need the 1500 total time regardless, but you can get away with not having the PIC.

EDIT: Dave, I am going to laugh so hard when you get in your nice big shiny jet with TWO flight attendants in the back and you see the truth. I'm not telling you what "the truth" is, but I'm sure you'll figure it out.

January 14th, 2008, 23:47	#1
Crockrocket94 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In a place warmer than State College.. for now. Posts: 894	Question! When an airline begins to cut back, what is the first thing they decide to chop off in regards to FO's, is it senority number, tt, pic? __________________ Craig CFI-CFII-MEI www.logshare.com/log.jsp?email=craigcrocker1@yahoo.com

January 14th, 2008, 23:55	#2
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,736	Re: Question! If there is a contract, they are normally required to do it by seniority number (in reverse). So the most junior guy will be the first one to get furloughed. There are a few places (mostly ghetto sort of places) that have furloughed outside of seniority order for various reasons. That tends to be bad juju. __________________ TBJC08 The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

January 15th, 2008, 00:49	#3
wheelsup Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: _ Posts: 5,498	Re: Question! If you work where I think you work, you've got nothing to worry about for the time being. The CO is fat on FO's but not THAT fat, and unless you know something I don't the flying isn't going away just yet. Disregard if you were just asking a general question . __________________ "It takes just as much time to be nice to someone as it does to be a jerk."

January 15th, 2008, 01:10	#4
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,736	Re: Question! Not knocking the guy as I don't know who he is, but I'd hope somebody who works for an airline already would understand how seniority works. At the end of the day, that's about all we have. __________________ TBJC08 The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

January 15th, 2008, 12:10	#6
Crockrocket94 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In a place warmer than State College.. for now. Posts: 894	Re: Question! Nope, I do not work for an airline. Just a CFI Thx for the input. The foundation of the question came when I was thinking of all these really low timers being put in the cockpit with like 190-300tt, and about 150 or so PIC. Now, they are not going to get PIC until they upgrade to CA, and I was also wondering how they got the PIC requirements. Or is it just a TT deal? __________________ Craig CFI-CFII-MEI www.logshare.com/log.jsp?email=craigcrocker1@yahoo.com

January 15th, 2008, 12:26	#7
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,736	Re: Question! Most airlines have a way of waving the PIC requirement for an ATP. You need the 1500 total time regardless, but you can get away with not having the PIC. EDIT: Dave, I am going to laugh so hard when you get in your nice big shiny jet with TWO flight attendants in the back and you see the truth. I'm not telling you what "the truth" is, but I'm sure you'll figure it out. __________________ TBJC08 The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

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