Personal Jets (VLJ's) Part II

[ComplexHiAv8r]

Originally Posted by TFaudree_ERAU

Puddlejumper is a JC member's handle, whom I happen to know quite well. The whole purpose of my post that you bashed was to make a point that there were at least two of us who didn't fit the mold of a Cirrus pilot that moxiepilot had definitively cast.

How about three???

[TFaudree_ERAU]

Originally Posted by ComplexHiAv8r

How about three???

Well, I was referring to my original post, but when I found out after the fact that you also are a Cirri commander...


WE HAVE (AT LEAST) THREE PROFICIENT CIRRUS PILOTS!

[minitour]

Originally Posted by SIUav8er

thats not the point. 172's, mooneys, Barons dont have ref speed period. show me the Vref chart in any of those Flight manuals, I was saying that someone can fly a Baron 140 at the marker and make a perfectly safe landing. Try that in a 100 knot ref jet, speed brakes deployed TR's after landing, whatever, its not gonna be a good landing. Its the cause of many accidents involving running off the end of the runway.

Some guy thats used to doing that in his mooney and getting away with it, will run into trouble in a VLJ. Thats all...

The bolded part I take objection to.

From Part 1
V REFmeans reference landing speed.

Last time I checked, Vref was 1.3Vso at MLW. Vso at max weight in the Baron is 74, so your ref would be 96.2 KIAS. ...at max weight.

Just because you don't have a chart for it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You should know that. The chart just calibrates your ref for your weight and flap settings (because Vs changes with configuration changes and weight)...nothing more, nothing less.

Originally Posted by Tram

No.. It's not acceptable to come down short final at lightspeed.. However, Warp Factor 5 is perfectly kosher..

Better go right to.....ludicrous speed!

-mini