Planes to start flying low over poor people! - Page 2

srleslie · January 11th, 2008, 01:37

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Originally Posted by ASpilot2be

Is there a nice part of NJ?

Deleware Water Gap, NJ...its a beautiful area. On I-80 as you cross into NJ from PA. You actually go through some small mountains in NJ before I-80 comes into the Newark area. Very beautiful drive specially in autumn.

trafficinsight · January 11th, 2008, 03:15

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Originally Posted by FlyChicaga

I live under the approach paths for MDW, and the noise really doesn't bother me. I'm talking Southwest B737s flying over at 1500' AGL. I even have flown over my house in the Saab at 1500' AGL... Which was definitely a cool experience. The only planes that really bother me are the freight props... They fly over at about 800' AGL at full power around 1:00 AM and are totally unsynced. I worry that they're going to take tiles off the roof!

After 9/11, I could hardly sleep during the day because there wasn't any jet noise. Seriously. Go figure.

I live right under the extended centerline at SJC, about 6 years ago my fiance and I were sleeping and she said the loudest plane she'd ever heard flew overhead and woke her up... followed by me sitting straight upright and saying "Whoa... that was f&^%# cool!' and then falling back over... dead asleep.

I remember nothing

N826AW · January 11th, 2008, 03:30

Stop hatin' on Jersey.

Qgar · January 11th, 2008, 09:16

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Originally Posted by ASpilot2be

Is there a nice part of NJ?

I would imagine the towns where Jon Bon Jovi and Bruce Springsteen have their mansions would be considered "nice."

Geez, I'm not even a resident and I'm defending NJ! I am only a hop, skip and a jump away, though. (actually a swim is more like it -- as I live on an island!)

Tiger815 · January 11th, 2008, 10:35

It seems like a no brainer that creating procedures to make arrivals and departures as efficent as possible is good for every one. The airport benefits from the greatest possible capacity, Airlines save on fuel costs and can give consumers their $99 round trip anywhere and tree huggers get reduced emissions. Everybody's happy right? Not so fast buddy, take a look at the ground tracks and it becomes apparent these new routes confine traffic to much more precise routes over places where planes didn't fly before. That is guaranteed to prompt a backlash from the folks living under those new tracks.

Looks like things are gonna get ugly, before we see any kind of truly modernized ATC system. It was only a couple of months ago Les Abend's aticle kicked the legs out from under one pillar of NextGen by pointing out that runways were a finite resource and there were real limits to how much more traffic could be accomodated regardless of the gold plated technology. Now the reality that changing flight paths for more efficiency will be fought tooth and nail by every community near an airport because moving the planes moves the noise. Time to sit back and watch the sparks fly.

SkyCougar · January 11th, 2008, 11:01

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Originally Posted by HP N826AW

Stop hatin' on Jersey.

You know what we do out here with the state hatin? We encourage it! If we let them hate the state, then hopefully less people will move here, as well as it tends to keep the hicks out, because they're usually the shoot-off-the- mouth haters anyway.

Actually, there are some very nice areas of Jersey.

Snuggle · January 11th, 2008, 11:22

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Originally Posted by WildCougar

I am only a hop, skip and a jump away, though. (actually a swim is more like it -- as I live on an island!)

wasn't that island once a garbage dump????

My island is better!

Qgar · January 11th, 2008, 11:35

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Originally Posted by Snuggle

wasn't that island once a garbage dump????

My island is better!

Your "island" is better? Too bad it's not really an island--more of a peninsula.

Yes, we laid claim to housing the world's biggest landfill (garbage dump is such a nasty term). It was closed down years ago. Someday the City of NY hopes to build a park and recreation area on the site.

falconvalley · January 11th, 2008, 11:50

Anybody who wants to complain about 60 dec of jet noise needs to spend a few years on an AF Base with C-5s doing TRT quality runs at 2am. They'd put the jet on the schedule to get around "quiet hours".

Snuggle · January 11th, 2008, 12:02

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Originally Posted by WildCougar

Your "island" is better? Too bad it's not really an island--more of a peninsula.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Island

It's an island. I'll settle for islandpeninsula if it makes you happier for living on a garbage dump.

Qgar · January 11th, 2008, 12:07

I actually DID know that geographically it is, but for all intents and purposes when people think of "Long Island," they think of Nassau and Suffolk counties. Not Queens and certainly not Brooklyn, which are boroughs of NYC. Very confusing to the non-NY'er.

Snuggle · January 11th, 2008, 12:09

Yea that's true, very confusing for an outsider. Especially when you try to explain to them what areas are considered NYC and which areas aren't. Like how queens is actually on Long Island but considered part of NYC... and Long Island is not considered NYC.

HOTDOG · January 11th, 2008, 15:09

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Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

Hey, barrio living is exciting, before turning the locks you never know if you're about to get shanked, or if your car is still in it's spot!

LOL, that made me laugh...thanks.

GalaxyIFE · January 11th, 2008, 16:34

This is all ridiculous; it’s almost as bad as Germany’s decibel monitoring. For a while we were flying out of Frankfurt and in baseops, there were printouts of the “violating decibel flightpaths” with AC type, callsign and the PIC’s name. The complaints (official “complaints from the GE government) got so bad the AF was threatening UCMJ action against the crews that “exceeded” decibel levels. The climbout paths were ridiculous…it’s no wonder we closed up shop in Frankfurt. Such much for the “stairs sorties”

AZBigDog · January 11th, 2008, 18:37

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Originally Posted by MQAAord

I used to live directly under the departure/arrival path of 9L/27R at ORD. (In the "concrete jungle" east of the Des Plaines river.)

They get no sympathy from me at all. The 727s & KC-135s that used to go out of there would literally shake the windows. Conversations would stop, and if you were on the phone, you had to tell the person you were talking to to hold on for a second til your hearing returned.

For two years, while I attended school, we lived under the app/dep path for 12R/30L at KSAT. I'm talking like 50 ft off centerline. The planes on approach passing overhead were probably no higher than 250 ft agl.

You always knew when 7 am rolled around because Delta had a 727 departing about that time every morning. We'd be watching TV and when a plane took off or landed we always turned to each other and ask each other what was said on the TV.

I never complained about the noise because aviation was in my future. Besides, sitting out on the patio drinking a cold one and watching the planes come in on approach was kind of cool.

AZ

AZBigDog · January 11th, 2008, 18:43

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Aw man I used to live in the approach path a little more so than you probably. Alma School between the 202 and University, kinda sketchy at times area....but if you want a back massage at midnight on a Saturday there seemed to be a couple places very close by...lol

Dood, I know that spot !!!

H46Bubba · January 11th, 2008, 19:32

When I was working at Mesa, we lived on the corner of University and Priest. Very sketchy neigborhood, but a good view of the westbound final approaches and a quick drive to work! Though I never saw those suppossed "massage" spots.

jtrain609 · January 12th, 2008, 10:39

I kinda wondered why we were now being given headings after departure outta Newark.

January 11th, 2008, 03:30	#28
N826AW Old Skool Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mesa Oeste Posts: 1,921	Re: Planes to start flying low over poor people! Stop hatin' on Jersey. __________________ "The Do"

January 11th, 2008, 10:35	#30
Tiger815 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Winchester, VA (OKV) Posts: 268	Re: Planes to start flying low over poor people! It seems like a no brainer that creating procedures to make arrivals and departures as efficent as possible is good for every one. The airport benefits from the greatest possible capacity, Airlines save on fuel costs and can give consumers their $99 round trip anywhere and tree huggers get reduced emissions. Everybody's happy right? Not so fast buddy, take a look at the ground tracks and it becomes apparent these new routes confine traffic to much more precise routes over places where planes didn't fly before. That is guaranteed to prompt a backlash from the folks living under those new tracks. Looks like things are gonna get ugly, before we see any kind of truly modernized ATC system. It was only a couple of months ago Les Abend's aticle kicked the legs out from under one pillar of NextGen by pointing out that runways were a finite resource and there were real limits to how much more traffic could be accomodated regardless of the gold plated technology. Now the reality that changing flight paths for more efficiency will be fought tooth and nail by every community near an airport because moving the planes moves the noise. Time to sit back and watch the sparks fly.

January 11th, 2008, 11:50	#34
falconvalley Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KMKE Posts: 2,026	Re: Planes to start flying low over poor people! Anybody who wants to complain about 60 dec of jet noise needs to spend a few years on an AF Base with C-5s doing TRT quality runs at 2am. They'd put the jet on the schedule to get around "quiet hours". __________________ British Airways flight asks for push back clearance from terminal. Control Tower replies: "And where is the world's most experienced airline going today without filing a flight plan?"

January 11th, 2008, 12:07	#36
Qgar Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NYC/EWR Posts: 4,083	Re: Planes to start flying low over poor people! I actually DID know that geographically it is, but for all intents and purposes when people think of "Long Island," they think of Nassau and Suffolk counties. Not Queens and certainly not Brooklyn, which are boroughs of NYC. Very confusing to the non-NY'er. __________________ Colgan Q-400 FA, ATS, FA Union Rep and Hotel Committee Proud First Lady of the JC Mini-Conservative Movement You can never get lost taking the high road....

January 11th, 2008, 12:09	#37
Snuggle Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 576	Re: Planes to start flying low over poor people! Yea that's true, very confusing for an outsider. Especially when you try to explain to them what areas are considered NYC and which areas aren't. Like how queens is actually on Long Island but considered part of NYC... and Long Island is not considered NYC.

January 11th, 2008, 16:34	#39
GalaxyIFE Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: San Antonio TX or anywhere Uncle Sugar wants me.... Posts: 1,003	Re: Planes to start flying low over poor people! This is all ridiculous; it’s almost as bad as Germany’s decibel monitoring. For a while we were flying out of Frankfurt and in baseops, there were printouts of the “violating decibel flightpaths” with AC type, callsign and the PIC’s name. The complaints (official “complaints from the GE government) got so bad the AF was threatening UCMJ action against the crews that “exceeded” decibel levels. The climbout paths were ridiculous…it’s no wonder we closed up shop in Frankfurt. Such much for the “stairs sorties” __________________ Proud member of the JetCareers Really, Really Mini-Libertarian Movement

January 11th, 2008, 19:32	#42
H46Bubba Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: CVG Posts: 4,465	Re: Planes to start flying low over poor people! When I was working at Mesa, we lived on the corner of University and Priest. Very sketchy neigborhood, but a good view of the westbound final approaches and a quick drive to work! Though I never saw those suppossed "massage" spots. __________________ *"Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should do it" - calcapt*

January 12th, 2008, 10:39	#43
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,869	Re: Planes to start flying low over poor people! I kinda wondered why we were now being given headings after departure outta Newark. __________________ "Jetlink 2940, on another radio, contact clearance for new airways..."

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