Don't need a degree eh?

[jtrain609]

True dat. I'm trying to go back through chapters in my systems manual right now. The first 6 months has flown by and I know if I don't start hacking on systems again here real soon recurrent is gonna kick my butt. If I can get through one chapter a trip I'll be in good shape to remember how most of the airplane is put together when my RPC comes up.

[WestIndian425]

Originally Posted by PCL_128

On at 10,000 and off at 500 for me. "Autoflight. Now where's that copy of the Wall Street Journal that I picked up this morning?"

Oh, you mean Volume 3 of the manuals? LOL!

What Jtrain and Stan both said is correct, and kudos to them for paying it forward.

[PCL_128]

Originally Posted by WestIndian425

Oh, you mean Volume 3 of the manuals? LOL!

Oh yeah, that's right, the manuals. That's what I meant. I don't know why I said the newspaper. I clearly meant the manuals.

[Velocipede]

Personally, I spend a lot of time monitoring the 50Kw ADF stations for "positional awareness."

[PCL_128]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Personally, I spend a lot of time monitoring the 50Kw ADF stations for "positional awareness."

I used to do the same in the RJ, but we pulled the ADF out of all the 717s.

[SeatClutcher]

Originally Posted by Kristie

nothing?? what about getting together with the girls??

Oh, yeah! there is that.

(See, I was talking more about the whole networking benefit. Anyone here a publisher? Anyone? )

[Chris_Ford]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

I'm looking to pickup a trip out of open time for my next block of reserve days and it includes no less than three 2 hour sits in Houston and it only pays 15 hours when you're gone away from base for 4 straight days.

Are you kidding me? Those are the best kind of trips while you're on reserve. You're not going to break guarantee anyway, so you might as well get the per diem and enjoy long overnights with little work.

[jtrain609]

Well that all depends on what you're after, Chris.

[Chris_Ford]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

Well that all depends on what you're after, Chris.

What else could you want? Would you rather sit in the crash pad for 4 days and not be used, don't make per diem, etc? If so, don't agg pickup the trip!

[bunghole]

Wow....now I know what a thread looks like when it has diarrhea! Yuck!

[TheAlchemist]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

But, my Mom always told me I'm awesome and I'll be awesome at whatever I want to be awesome at because I'm the most awesome of awesome people!!!!!!111oneoneoneone My Mom's never wrong and makes really good cookies so she's right.

Poopy face.

Not to be an a$$ or anything...but does you mom still tell you are super awesome-o? Because sometimes based on what you write on JC sure sounds like you've been told that again and again. You do make a great point it's just that you could put you degree to good use and be more polite if what you really want is to get your point across. A bit arrogant, that's all.

Please don't take the soccer ball with you just because you own it!

[777forever]

Thread Hijack.....hey Alchemist I met your friend Adam yesterday in the Badda Bing Lounge Home of the ASA Prop Mafia.

[TheAlchemist]

Originally Posted by 777forever

Thread Hijack.....hey Alchemist I met your friend Adam yesterday in the Badda Bing Lounge Home of the ASA Prop Mafia.

HA HA...he's a nice guy isn't him? I wish I could go to ASA and join the prop mafia but it's just a looong commute from LA.

Watch out for for the ASA Proop Gang!

[brent p h]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

Heya,


I'm up kinda late tonight (for me), have a few minutes on my hands and thought I'd throw something up here about something that has been bugging me. This topic comes up pretty often so I figured, why not throw down my opinion on the subject, as I seem to give my opinion on just about everything else in the world. It didn't really fit within the degree thread, so this one is getting started.

For you cats out there that are getting into this gig and want to meet the minimum standards for this job, I've got some really bad news for you; you're most likely in a lot of trouble. Do you guys actually think that you can get into this industry, meet the minimum qualifications and have choice companies knocking on your door?

We've got kids out there who come on and ask, "Do I REALLY need a degree?" or, "I don't wanna flight instruct! Do I have to?" As far as I'm concerned, if you need to ask the question, you need not apply.

To all you new guys; listen up. You are entering a profession of overachievers, people smarter than you, people more driven than you, people more dedicated than you, people that have 4.0's from schools you didn't even dare apply to, people that are better looking than you, people that are more likable than you and people that have better training than you.

THESE are the people you are competing with for jobs. Read that word again; competing. You are trying to best these people in order to get the job that BOTH of you want, and in some situations only one of you will get it.

If you think that it's a good idea to skip flight instructing, skip college, skip flying freight, skip the regionals, skip charter, skip corporate or skip any number of things that will make you a better, more well rounded pilot in addition to a better, more well rounded person then you might as well just get your application to Mesa in order because that could well be the final stop for you.

I don't mean to be TOO negative, but there needs to be a bit of a reality check in this department. There has been so much hiring going on in the last few years at the regionals that I think everybody has gotten the idea that all you EVER needed to get a job at an airline was 600/100. Let me tell you what kids.

Two years ago when I was looking flight instructor jobs, I was told at something like 10 different interviews from the get go that if I didn't go to Riddle or UND, they probably weren't interested. 6 months later people couldn't find enough instructors. A year and a half ago when I was looking for work at a regional you couldn't buy an interview with under 1000/200. Now? 250/0 and you're flying Dash-8's or EMB-145's. Upgrades were running ULTRA fast at some companies. A year at Skywest, 18 months at Express, a year at CHQ.

This is not the norm, and things WILL start to slide back in the other direction. It always has and it always will.

Things are slowing down. Hiring is slowing down, the economy is slowing down and the qualifications to get these jobs WILL go up. Do you really think it's a prudent idea to forgo college, forgo having a flight instructor certificate and forgo any other chance you may have of building some PIC time doing banner tow, throwing meat missiles or any other ways to build time BEFORE you get to an airline cockpit? What are you going to have when the furlough comes, and believe me if you miss a furlough in this industry count yourself among the lucky ones. That 500 hours of SIC ERJ time like the other 700 guys you just ended up on the street with isn't going to get you much.

Me? I'm 25, flight instructed, spent time in a large air carrier's training department, passed three part 135 checkouts, passed a 121 checkout, never failed a check ride, never had a student fail a check ride (part 91 or 135), have a college degree, a cute fiance and I've got a lot of friends that would walk in a resume for me. And to be completely honest with you, I still VERY much view myself as an extremely low time pilot and that I'm not that well qualified, but I'd put my resume up to a cat that walked outta some academy with no degree and no real world experience.

So what are you going to do to combat that and make yourself a more marketable pilot who will get the job instead of me?

You're going to do everything you can to become a well rounded pilot, a better connected pilot, a well rounded individual and if you're smart you'll try like heck to best me in every way that you possibly can because when the furlough hits, I'm not worried in any way about being able to find another flying job. And if I can't? Tough luck, I go to law school and make more money than I would as a pilot anyway. I can do that because, guess what kids, I went to college and got a pre-law degree.

What makes YOU more marketable? Folks have GOT to start looking at this stuff and saying, "How can I make myself a better, more marketable pilot" instead of saying, "Oh gee whiz I've gotta teach! Oh no! That's horrible! I just wanna fly a jet! I don't want to do anything more than the minimum amount of work!"

And since I didn't mention it, GO TO NETWORK JETCAREERS! Anybody that doesn't make it is simply making it harder for themselves to get a job. I've gotten every job I've had in the aviation industry because of people I met at NJC, and I imagine that trend will continue.

Make yourself more marketable, make yourself stand out, go ABOVE AND BEYOND EVERYBODY ELSE, don't go for the minimum standard, network and make friends and if I haven't said it yet GO TO COLLEGE and be ready and willing to WALK AWAY from this career if it doesn't give YOU what you want out of it.

I guess from my understanding as a basic aviation indoctrinee (that just happens too be "retooling" my career objective.) Is that any position below a captain at a major is for the most part an aviation apprentice. That being said I believe that anyone who aspires to establish and maintain a professional career should therefore honor the "rites of passage". I recall you mentioned earlier in the post the individuals that clarified that they didn't want too flight instruct, fly for a regional, etc. What you will find is this type of mentality is consistent not only in the ranks of commercial aviation but throught the legions of corporate america as well. From my standpoint I really don't have any qualms with flight instructing however due too my current age I believe it is more logical too choose the most learning enabling cost effective route that I percievably can too ensure that I reach my goal. I do happen too be college educated and I realize that the current status of the industry dictates the requirements for a college degree. I think what we ought too realize here is that the aviation industry being as competitive as it is will eventually weed these individuals out or they will conform to the established standards. I think this is the perfect scenario because it forces the individual to "dig deeper" I:E get a college degree. Anyone who gets a 4 year degree while flying a grueling regional airline schedule gets kudos from me! In summary I personally don't believe we should discount someone on their shortcomings early on you don't want to get a degree... Fine don't want to flight instruct fine. Once those guys are weeded out the ones that stick will have too work 10 times harder to be on some of you guys level. LOL but what you will see is a better refined dedicated candidate in the long run.

[t-cart]

Originally Posted by brent p h

I guess from my understanding as a basic aviation indoctrinee (that just happens too be "retooling" my career objective.) Is that any position below a captain at a major is for the most part an aviation apprentice. That being said I believe that anyone who aspires to establish and maintain a professional career should therefore honor the "rites of passage". I recall you mentioned earlier in the post the individuals that clarified that they didn't want too flight instruct, fly for a regional, etc. What you will find is this type of mentality is consistent not only in the ranks of commercial aviation but throught the legions of corporate america as well. From my standpoint I really don't have any qualms with flight instructing however due too my current age I believe it is more logical too choose the most learning enabling cost effective route that I percievably can too ensure that I reach my goal. I do happen too be college educated and I realize that the current status of the industry dictates the requirements for a college degree. I think what we ought too realize here is that the aviation industry being as competitive as it is will eventually weed these individuals out or they will conform to the established standards. I think this is the perfect scenario because it forces the individual to "dig deeper" I:E get a college degree. Anyone who gets a 4 year degree while flying a grueling regional airline schedule gets kudos from me! In summary I personally don't believe we should discount someone on their shortcomings early on you don't want to get a degree... Fine don't want to flight instruct fine. Once those guys are weeded out the ones that stick will have too work 10 times harder to be on some of you guys level. LOL but what you will see is a better refined dedicated candidate in the long run.

Huh?

[EatSleepFly]

Originally Posted by t-cart

Huh?

My thoughts, exactly! He lost me at "I guess." Must be my lack of degree.

Somebody ought to flush this worthless thread.

[t-cart]

Originally Posted by EatSleepFly

My thoughts, exactly! He lost me at "I guess." Must be my lack of degree.

Somebody ought to flush this worthless thread.

Hey,I dont have a degree either.T.C.

[EatSleepFly]

Originally Posted by t-cart

Hey,I dont have a degree either.T.C.

Careful admitting that around here, they'll burn you at the stake!

[t-cart]

Originally Posted by EatSleepFly

Careful admitting that around here, they'll burn you at the stake!

Oh well.Let the fun begin.T.C.