Yes, another four year degree post...

[Doug Taylor]

Not that I'm working at today's fashionable place-to-be, but it's bachelor's required, master's preferable and has been so for at least the past decade.

[ctab5060X]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Not that I'm working at today's fashionable place-to-be, but it's bachelor's required, master's preferable and has been so for at least the past decade.

Something in the back of my mind is telling me that I already knew that. Happens when I don't get enough sleep...

Guess now the question would be if a bachelor's is soon to be required across the board for all the majors/legacies and all make a master's preferable, are we looking at a mad dash of pilots trying to get a quick and easy master's degree just to stand out?

[Stone Cold]

Originally Posted by mikecweb

How'd you get it for half off?

That was the price when I went there over a decade ago...that's how I know Dough is old...he and I went around the same time, but to different campuses. I was there in '90-'94...sad, ain't it?!

One of these years I'll get my perspective done and you can read all about it...

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by Stone Cold

That was the price when I went there over a decade ago...that's how I know Dough is old...he and I went around the same time, but to different campuses. I was there in '90-'94...sad, ain't it?!

One of these years I'll get my perspective done and you can read all about it...

88 thru 93 for me!

Ever since Newsweek called our EE program the "Harvard of the Skies", Riddle stretched it as if it applied to ALL academic programs and then the costs began to skyrocket.

[skidz]

Originally Posted by ctab5060X

...are we looking at a mad dash of pilots trying to get a quick and easy master's degree just to stand out?

I'm all for getting a quick and easy masters...where do I go to?

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by ctab5060X

Something in the back of my mind is telling me that I already knew that. Happens when I don't get enough sleep...

Guess now the question would be if a bachelor's is soon to be required across the board for all the majors/legacies and all make a master's preferable, are we looking at a mad dash of pilots trying to get a quick and easy master's degree just to stand out?

Nah, I would necessarily spend time on a masters to get an airline job. I'd get a masters in something I had great interest in or to bolster a non-Airline "Plan B".

More simply put, I would not suggest a masters degree to get the edge in employment consideration.

[scramjet]

Originally Posted by skidz

Depends what you do, I've learned a lot in the military as an aircraft mechanic, if someone from civilian world wants to be an aircraft mechanic I don't know how college is going to help him, he'd get to eventually work on some cessnas and maybe a light twin, but in the military you get to work on some real stuff. Same for the other jobs, I wouldn't even know where to start in civilian world if I wanted to be air traffic controller, in the military they bring you up from Joe recruit to a guy who can get out and get a job anywhere as a controller. Military does a lot, even if you're carrying guns and fighting in Iraq it's still an experience that can get you a job as a cop or something real easy when you come back. I believe there are probably some jobs in the military that are hardly transferrable to civilian world, but I think most of them are.

I think having college experience in the airline world as a mechanic is good for advancement. QA, Maintenance Controlling, and Planning often prefer college experience.

[germb747]

Originally Posted by Airdale

My point was, that while my fellow high school grads were pissing their parents money away while getting drunk every night on a college campus working on a BS degree - some of us were growing up, fighting wars, doing Law Enforcement, protecting America both overseas, on the high seas and at home. Yet nobody (meaning HR people) gives a crap about that.

"Do you have a degree?"

"No"

"Why not?"

"Because my parents couldn't afford to send me to college, so at the age of 20 I decided to join the service. I proudly served my Country for 4 years, going through countless hours of training and discipline to conduct Law Enforcement, Search and Seizure of Illegal weapons and drugs, Search and Rescue, Environmental Protection and Escorting Naval War Ships. But, I have $50,000 from the military for College that I plan on using."

"OH."



I think every "kid" should spend a few years in the military. They teach you life skills, not have you read a stupid book and write a report on why the author chose to write the book.

Having spent 4 years in college and 4 years in the military, I say they both add great qualities to a well-rounded person. Try the best of both worlds--go to college while serving in the national guard/reserves. Personally, I didn't join the military until after college, but we have folks in my unit who do both at the same time and they're first rate kids well ahead of their peers. It might take an extra couple of years to graduate when factoring in deployments, etc, but it'll make you that much more marketable at 23-24 versus 21-22. Hell, maybe your unit will send you to flight school if that's what you want to do.

Many posts here seem to relect a gross generalization of college students who are "spending daddy's money and drinking beer", from those who haven't been to college nor undersand the difference between "Education" and "Training". Conversely, these are those with the degree who see "no advantage" with military experience/training. Having both backgrounds, I respect both paths in life. The college experience is (as a traditional freshman at a traditional school pursuing a real degree) is an experience I wouldn't trade for anything. It's not just about going to class and studying for tests (or drinking beer). There's a whole "other education" that involves getting involved in the university lifestyle and building yourself as a person--that's what I think the university education is really about. As far as "getting drunk every night" is concerned, honestly I've seen way more drinking in the military than I ever did in college (although both places are notorious for that vice). Of course, the military will give you unmatched real-life experiences, an opportunity to serve your country and build a sense of disipline and honor, and countless opportunities for leadership developlment. But don't discount the value of the education--there's a reason you need a degree to be a commissioned officer.

If all major airlines don't require the degree yet, they definitely should. Yes, among other purposes it is a discriminator that helps weed down the stacks of resumes. Despite the "pilot shortage", there's never a shortage of people with shiny jet syndrome wanting to be pilots (at least not at the places anyone would want to work). Maybe there's a shortage of "well qualified" pilots, especially at the regional level, but that's another issue. The two most important factors in getting a job are timing and networking. Seniority drives everything else. So, if you're in a position to get a job at a good regional and get that seniority number without a degree, then more power to you. But, ultimately, get that degree if you want to or have to someday move on (inside or outside of aviation). I've never met someone with a college degree who regrets it.

[SteveC]

Nice synopsis of both.


(BTW, haven't said hello to you yet. Howdy!)

[ctab5060X]

Originally Posted by skidz

I'm all for getting a quick and easy masters...where do I go to?

What I meant by "quick and easy master's" is a 'non-thesis' degree that can be completed without several years of back (and mind) breaking research.

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

I would not suggest a masters degree to get the edge in employment consideration.

I agree, but if you happen to already have one, looks like you could be sitting pretty...(at least on the education requirements)

[Berkut]

Originally Posted by scramjet

I think having college experience in the airline world as a mechanic is good for advancement. QA, Maintenance Controlling, and Planning often prefer college experience.

I agree, especially for QA. I became an inspector fairly quickly and I'm sure the college helped.

[t-cart]

Originally Posted by skidz

I'm all for getting a quick and easy masters...where do I go to?

Ask Pam,I think there is a college there in Little Rock named SHORTER COLLEGE. I aint kidding. Good luck,,,,,,,,T.C.

[Hypersonic_Wings]

It's time to hit the books then for four long, hard years.

[ladder360]

Holy Necroposts Batman!!!

[Kristie]

ummm yea.... this thread is about 6 months old which is right in necroposting territory.

Just an FYI that anything older than 3 months can be outdated information on the website. it's much better to just start a new post so old information doesn't become new.

[germb747]

Originally Posted by SteveC

Nice synopsis of both.


(BTW, haven't said hello to you yet. Howdy!)

missed this post, sorry. Hello to you too Steve!