Yes, another four year degree post...

[Wing_96]

Originally Posted by Airdale

My point was, that while my fellow high school grads were pissing their parents money away while getting drunk every night on a college campus working on a BS degree - some of us were growing up, fighting wars, doing Law Enforcement, protecting America both overseas, on the high seas and at home. Yet nobody (meaning HR people) gives a crap about that.

"Because my parents couldn't afford to send me to college, so at the age of 20 I decided to join the service. I proudly served my Country for 4 years, going through countless hours of training and discipline to conduct Law Enforcement, Search and Seizure of Illegal weapons and drugs, Search and Rescue, Environmental Protection and Escorting Naval War Ships. But, I have $50,000 from the military for College that I plan on using."

Now you have $50,000 to go piss away while getting drunk every night, on a college campus, working on a BS degree.

[Doug Taylor]

True story.

There's a guy who was just offered an interview at a major. Didn't have all the time in the world on his resume, but went to a prestigious non-aviation university, did extra-curricular activities, some high profile, and the manager of pilot selection absolutely ate it up.

For the most part, as long as you have a four year degree, you're golden. But sitting there across the desk from the manager of pilot selection applaud his collegiate pedigree and performance, I need to spend some time and amend my viewpoint.

[ASpilot2be]

From what I have heard, Airline pilots are gonna be one of the last vocational type trades to require a four year degree. Alot of trades are just gonna require the training, and yet they start making more than pilots.

[MQAAord]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

You're not giving yourself much to stand on, Jim.

I would call those people anti-social, and if you can't carry on a conversation in the cockpit about something OTHER than aviation then honestly I don't want to be flying with you. College helps develop that.

Or was there another point you were getting at?

I dropped out of college, and I can carry on lots of conversations.

-Agriculture
-Politics of small towns
-Why Chicago is a really great city
-Superstring theory and the basics of quantum physics
-Why crocs are ugly
-What detergent really gets out stains
-History of NASA and the beginnings of the U.S. & Soviet space programs
-How to get a mortgage
-Basic plumbing repair
-Gardening, land/lawnscaping & horticulture
-How to tell authentic Tiffany from fake

and that's just what I can come up with off the top of my head.

To say someone who didn't go to college or didn't graduate can't talk about anything intelligent or anything but airplanes is generalizing & like all generalizations is usually incorrect.

[Doug Taylor]

Dear Ms. MQAAORD;

How do you get a persistent grease stain off of fabric? Am I hosed?

Signed,

Doug T.
Scottsdale, AZ

(seriously!)

[OldTownPilot]

Ok those who are young (of college age) who don't have degrees, usually don't have much to say about things other than flying airplanes.

[MQAAord]

What specifically IS the stain? (What caused it?)

Airplane grease? Cooking grease?

[JEP]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Dear Ms. MQAAORD;

How do you get a persistent grease stain off of fabric? Am I hosed?

Signed,

Doug T.
Scottsdale, AZ

(seriously!)

Easy, you buy a new one....

[Doug Taylor]

Airplane grease? Au contraire! I pride myself with two walkarounds per month!

Nah, I think it's food grease I didn't know it was there, washed it and discovered it after pulling it out of the dryer.

(Sorry about the 'thread creep', folks, but it's one of my few long-sleeve shirts and I'm off to "sunny" Deustchland this weekend)

[MQAAord]

For food grease stains I recommend Biz. Put some liquid Biz directly on the stain, rub it in, let it sit and soak in for a while, then wash as usual with your usual detergent AND Biz in the cycle.

I like Biz.

[Qgar]

[quote=Doug Taylor;772108]
Nah, I think it's food grease I didn't know it was there, washed it and discovered it after pulling it out of the dryer.


Umm, you're pretty much screwed, Doug. Once the dryer gets a hold of the stain....kiss the garment buh-bye!
Then again, what do I know? I only have an Associates degree and decades of life experience.

[MQAAord]

[quote=WildCougar;772116]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Once the dryer gets a hold of the stain....kiss the garment buh-bye!
Then again, what do I know? I only have an Associates degree and decades of life experience.

Yeah, the dryer heat can be death-knell, but I've had some luck with the Biz. It's worth a try at least

Bill has gotten airplane grease spots on a couple of his shirts, and NOTHING removes that stuff.

[LoadMasterC141]

The social stigma in the US that college is a MUST is just a way to fuel the academic economy.

Nothing I learned at Cornell about Psychology, WWII History, Wines, etc etc etc, is going to make me a better pilot than the next guy. But Doug just confirmed the hypocritical part of it all; Get a prestigious degree and surely you must be a better pilot than the guy/gal that does not!

[MQAAord]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

but went to a prestigious non-aviation university, did extra-curricular activities, some high profile,

Originally Posted by LoadMasterC141

Nothing I learned at Cornell about Psychology, WWII History, Wines, etc etc etc, is going to make me a better pilot than the next guy. But Doug just confirmed the hypocritical part of it all; Get a prestigious degree and surely you must be a better pilot than the guy/gal that does not!

Sounds like what that guy did in college was more than just learning about psychology, WWII and wine. It sounds like he was heavily involved in other activities outside of classes. THAT is a big part of college, getting out and doing stuff outside of classes too.

[JEP]

Originally Posted by LoadMasterC141

The social stigma in the US that college is a MUST is just a way to fuel the academic economy.

Nothing I learned at Cornell about Psychology, WWII History, Wines, etc etc etc, is going to make me a better pilot than the next guy. But Doug just confirmed the hypocritical part of it all; Get a prestigious degree and surely you must be a better pilot than the guy/gal that does not!

You kinda of answered the question of why a degree...It is not so much what your degree is in, but that you have a degree. The degree proves (for the most part) the ability to learn. It doesn't have to be a 'prestigous' degree, but you do need to be able to check that box.

When an employer has X amount of openings and X*2 the number of applications for said openings you have to be able to narrow it down. This just happens to be the way that many have chosen to narrow that field.

That being said, does not having a degree mean you cannot learn? Absolutely not.

[LoadMasterC141]

THAT is the problem! I wish I could have done more extra curricular activities. I did in High School. I did in the AF too. But see, Ivy league schools cost Ivy league money. Well I was just some poser so I had to drive an 18-wheeler to NYC 4 times a week, and full-time when college was out, just to pay for it all and not end up in huge debt; I hear debt is bad. Then my GPA suffered because I did not have the same amount of time to study as people with a "paid for" ride. I am not bitter. I got the piece of paper. It got me a nice paying job I guess. I just think there is a sad part of hypocrisy in it all.

In other developed countries I have visited, degrees are attained mainly to help a person develop within a certain career. Here, very few people actually progress within the career they major in.

[Doug Taylor]

Dude, you're a volunteer in an "aviation outreach program for youth". HelloOooo!

[OldTownPilot]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Dude, you're a volunteer in an "aviation outreach program for youth". HelloOooo!

That is SOOOOOOO going on the resume

[PCL_128]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

Do I need to say much more or are you gonna bury yourself on the next post?

No, I'm not even going to bother with you. I'll wait until I can make it to one of the "meet-and-greets" and tell you what I think of you to your face.

[LoadMasterC141]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Dude, you're a volunteer in an "aviation outreach program for youth". HelloOooo!

No, I'm not even going to bother with you. I'll wait until I can make it to one of the "meet-and-greets" and tell you what I think of you to your face.

1 2 3 4 I declare a thumb war!

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by PCL_128

No, I'm not even going to bother with you. I'll wait until I can make it to one of the "meet-and-greets" and tell you what I think of you to your face.

Geez, hug it out, ladies. Hug it out!

[Firebird2XC]

[quote=MQAAord;772119]

Originally Posted by WildCougar

Yeah, the dryer heat can be death-knell, but I've had some luck with the Biz. It's worth a try at least

Bill has gotten airplane grease spots on a couple of his shirts, and NOTHING removes that stuff.

Shout Ultra Gel. Soak in hot water. Wash twice if needed. A good scrub with the gel and a long soak goes a long way.

It's not always 100%, but it gives you a fighting chance. I've saved a few shirts.

[jtrain609]

Originally Posted by PCL_128

No, I'm not even going to bother with you. I'll wait until I can make it to one of the "meet-and-greets" and tell you what I think of you to your face.

Please do! I love meeting new people.

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by Stone Cold

Haha...you're such a geek!!!

I went to the job fair in DAB a few years ago with my girlfirend at the time (now my wife), and we went to the bookstore. I still have the "ERAU Alumni" bumpersticker she wanted me to buy...she loves telling everybody she won't let me take it off, since I paid $50K+ for that bumper sticker!!!

How'd you get it for half off?

[ctab5060X]

Originally Posted by Seggy

but by the end of this year ALL Majors/Legacies will require a four year degree.

So, if ALL the Majors/Legacies will require all applicants to have a bachelor's degree, where does that leave those that hold a master's degree.

Will they be looked on in a different light because they hold a degree that is more that just the required minimum?

Will it eventually become bachelor's required, master's preferred?

Curious minds want to know...