Delta cuts SkyWest flying

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by Seggy

Airdale,


Dave a few things. I am NOT flipping anyone off behind me. The way regionals can go bye-bye is a national seniority list, interviewing as a pilot with the union itself then them placing you and finding you jobs, etc. There are ways around this contracted outsourced flying. We as pilots are our own worse enemies. We should be looking for ways to get rid of it. Ways that would help us as a whole both short term and long term.

I think that way would be a national seniority list.

You are right, we don't owe our company ANYTHING. We do a professional job day in and day out and the way the company treats us is like you summed it up nicely numerous times.

They gave me a chance, just saying that. I guess what I am saying is just don't be to bitter at the company long term if that makes any sense. Forget 90% of the 'minor' Colganoscopies and remember the really good 10% of them.

That is all I am saying

Well said my friend. And I agree that a National Pilot Seniority list would be a great solution, if not anything else, a great way to bring stability to the industry for us pilots. Its a great idea, and I agree 100% with you on it. The hard part, is not every company is ALPA. You would need a united Union across the industry, which is a challenge in and of itself.

I won't always be bitter at Colgan. In fact, I'd say that more of my issue is with how the company does business rather then the bitterness issue. I just look at the Pinnacle pilots and the situation they are in WITH ALPA, and it just makes me sick that Colgan is run by the same tools now. I haven't been there long, but I noticed a HUGE change in the way the company was operating around mid summer. Crew Scheduling got worse, the schedules got WAY worse (more deadheads then flying, 12+ hr duty days with little flying time etc.). I'm sure the "old" Colgan, the place you've experienced before the buy out, while not the best place to work, was much better then it is now.

You just seem so bitter towards the Regional Industry as a whole, and I just don't look at it that way. I see how the Regionals are a double edged sword, but I also see that I wouldn't be flying pax around right now if it weren't for the Regionals. So its a love/hate thing.

Oh and btw Mark, RJ's ROCK!!!

[Seggy]

Originally Posted by mrivc211

Airdale,

I don't think seg is necassarily coming down on the regionals, rather than just trying to say the jet flying belongs to the majors.

Thank you Omar for clarifying that.

[Seggy]

Originally Posted by Airdale

Oh and btw Mark, RJ's ROCK!!!

A beatdown is in order!

[Hootie]

When everyone starts talking like wall street economists we can all rest assured that we are all wrong and nobody knows what we are talking about. Pilots are smart, but in a mechanical aptitude sort of way, if this wasn't the case we wouldn't be flying around Riddle Jets for 20-45k a year.

Now back to what we know.... CARLS JR. $6 BURGERS ARE THE SHIZZLE!!
I try to eat at least two per week.

[Seggy]

This East Coast resident prefers In 'n Out Burger.

[mtsu_av8er]

I want to see how profitable everybody is when Delta is running an MD-88 between ATL and MGM with oil at $120/barrel.

[OldTownPilot]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

I want to see how profitable everybody is when Delta is running an MD-88 between ATL and MGM with oil at $120/barrel.

More profitable than 2 CRJ-700s (that is if there are 140 people that need to get to MGM)

[Seggy]

Or they just drop the flights into there.

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by Seggy

Or they just drop the flights into there.

Wow - well, that's one way to approach it.

For the record, I want no part of an industry that treats it's customers that way.

[Seggy]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Wow - well, that's one way to approach it.

For the record, I want no part of an industry that treats it's customers that way.

So my airline and livelihood should be threatened so we can provide service to unprofitable places???

[OldTownPilot]

uh thats your job right now. EAS

BGR, soon to be the next EAS city!

[MQAAord]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Wow - well, that's one way to approach it.

For the record, I want no part of an industry that treats it's customers that way.

The airline industry has been dropping flights to unprofitable cities since 1978. Eagle used to serve Danville, Bloomington IN, Flint, Marquette, etc. No more.

[Seggy]

OTP, true but you know we make money on that flying.

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by Seggy

So my airline and livelihood should be threatened so we can provide service to unprofitable places???

I can't tell you about your career or livelihood.

[Seggy]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

I can't tell you about your career or livelihood.

Ahh you never answered my question.

Should airlines continue service to unprofitable places just to treat their customers a certain way?

[OldTownPilot]

Originally Posted by Seggy

Ahh you never answered my question.

Should airlines continue service to unprofitable places just to treat their customers a certain way?

Yes, so their crews that live there can get to work!

[Seggy]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Wow - well, that's one way to approach it.

For the record, I want no part of an industry that treats it's customers that way.

Oh by the way Lloyd, your airline dropped a lot of their customers in central PA when they decided to stop running the EAS years ago.

They dropped it to grow to what they are today.

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by Seggy

Ahh you never answered my question.

Should airlines continue service to unprofitable places just to treat their customers a certain way?

I think that if the city isn't profitable, then they'll stop serving the city (as they should).

However, if the cost of oil is rising and it's only profitable to service a city with a smaller aircraft, it makes business sense.

[Seggy]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

However, if the cost of oil is rising and it's only profitable to service a city with a smaller aircraft, it makes business sense.

What happens if oil is cheap and they decide to drop the service to those cities so they can grow to bigger airplanes, like your airline did?

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by Seggy

What happens if oil is cheap and they decide to drop the service to those cities so they can grow to bigger airplanes, like your airline did?

I have no idea why my company did what they did to do anything . . . I just work there.

[Seggy]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Wow - well, that's one way to approach it.

For the record, I want no part of an industry that treats it's customers that way.

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

I have no idea why my company did what they did to do anything . . . I just work there.

Your company dropped service to unprofitable EAS cities in the late 90's to grow to where they are today. They got their start with Jballs and Slaabs providing service to small towns.

I am saying we are part of an industry that treats its customers a certain way (not saying I agree with that. CS is very important to me).

But there is no way to deny what your company did. Dropped service to unprofitable cities.

[mtsu_av8er]

I wasn't there then. Really, could care less.

Mark, you're not going to "educate" me on the industry. You know we'll never agree there.

[MQAAord]

I think he's confused (as am I) about your statement of not wanting to work in an industry that treats its customers that way, when cities have been dropped for non-profitability for some time now.

What sort of "treatment" were you referring to? Perhaps that's what we're missing?

[Seggy]

Thank you Amber.

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by MQAAord

I think he's confused (as am I) about your statement of not wanting to work in an industry that treats its customers that way, when cities have been dropped for non-profitability for some time now.

What sort of "treatment" were you referring to? Perhaps that's what we're missing?

Missing a whole lot more than that . . .